A Verily Funny Comment.

May 16, 2011

The following is a comment that I received in response to my Feminization Hypnosis post. It is so off-the-rails that I half wondered if it wasn’t some sort of satire. Sadly, it’s my assessment that this comment was actually genuine. Should stupidity be rewarded? Probably not. But you know how I love my Trans Tropes, and this gem is chock-full of the cult-talk and clichés so beloved by Genderists, and echos so many of the comments in my spam folder that I thought I would let this one out into the light and fresh air. Which coincidentally is what I recommend for the poster: Light and Fresh Air. Let’s step away from the keyboard, shall we?

 Anonymous

anonymous@gmail.com

I’m going to go ahead and say this: I’m an MtF (“Male to Female” — it’s not “M2T” or whatever you were calling it) [There is no such thing as a sex-change. You are not actually female. That’s why you have a prostate gland. At the most, you are a castrato who has paid a surgeon to push your penis up inside of you between your prostate and rectum to create a surgical fuck-hole for other males to stick their dick into, and some cosmetic surgery creating a rough semblance of external female genitalia (labia etc). That does not make you female. It makes you a male transsexual. Which is why you are correctly referred to as “M2T”. Although if I may say so (and it’s my blog, so I may) the sorts of rudimentary mansplaining/transplaining comments such as the one I'm responding to are usually the knee-jerk offerings of men who are early in the process of “transifying” and are a display of their memorization of the trans narrative and the self-indoctrination into the genderist fantasy. Sooo, I am guessing you have never even taken a female hormone in your life, much less walked down the street a single time “en femme”.] and I’d have to agree that anyone who did take this hypnosis-crap seriously ought to be marginalized. [Why do you think other trans should be marginalized because they are “doing it wrong”? This is a very popular Trans Trope: “The others are inauthentic but I am genuine”. Throwing your brothers under the bus for using tacky hypnosis doesn’t make you seem more female son.]

First-off, primary Transsexualism (e.g. that which is present from birth) is the result of a rare birth defect in which the body develops as per one gender [Bodies don’t have genders. Gender means “Sex Role”. By definition roles are culturally created and not innate.] and the brain as per another (in the case of the MtF, the brain did not receive to the required extent the virilizing testosterone-wash that occurs in most men). [Brains don’t have sex roles either.  And your casual declaration of a “testosterone wash” theory that creates the “birth defect” of transgender is unsupported by science and is a product of your genderist fantasy. Scientists have searched for a hundred years for evidence of congenital brain gender, transgenderism, and even homosexuality, all to no avail.] So, for the time before their puberty, such people tend to act more in accordance with the gender-role of the opposite sex (sex referring here solely to the physical, gender referring to the mental) than their prescribed gender-role. Feel free to research this. [I have researched it, and all research shows exactly the opposite of what you are declaring. A minority of male transgenders- those that are homosexual- exhibit behaviors in childhood that are culturally deemed “feminine”. The large majority of transgenders do not. They conform to gender roles to the same or greater extent of non-transgenders. Unlike homosexual children, there is no objective report of the children being in any way gender-atypical. There is substantial evidence however that such children are anti-social loners, preferring their own company to that of other children. Your comment that I should “feel free to research this” when you have clearly not done such research yourself and are offering incorrect information is pure ignorance matched with arrogance on your part.]

Secondly, I’d just like to back-up an earlier point that transsexualism is due to a birth defect; normal children can not be brought-up reliably in the wrong gender. Once, there was a scientist by the name of John Money who believed gender to be 100% the result of socialization. However, when under his advice a male baby (who had just survived a car accident with some genital damage) was changed to a female baby, the child grew-up horribly transgendered and eventually killed thonself [You refer to the famous case of David Reimer. Reimer was not a baby, he was almost 2 years old, already socialized as male before he was castrated and the parents advised to change his sex role socialization and lie about his sex. Reimer’s mother later admitted that they did not really follow this advice. The Reimer case, while tragic is famous because it is so unusual. Most intersex children are happy with the “sex”/gender role they are raised with, even if that role is opposite their chromosomal sex. Which contradicts your “immutable gender” assertions.] (“thon” used here as a gender-neutral pronoun; we are not “it”‘s, people — “it” is an inanimate and derogatory pronoun, so if you aren’t sure what to call someone by, please either call thon by their preferred gender’s pronoun or “thon”). [HAHAHahahaha! Have you checked with other “thon”s about this policy? And please point out an instance of anyone being referred to as “it” on this entire blog. Perhaps you thought you were responding to another blog? Or maybe you just cut and paste this crap all over town. LMAO http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Thon. Pronouns are assigned by sex on this blog, not gender.] But this incidence is not alone; it is common knowledge that 1/3 of all transpeople commit suicide before the age of 18 [Hahaha! Wow. Common knowledge huh? Not common among any medical psychiatric scientific or crisis intervention institutions. What you mean to say is it is “Common fantasy and disimformation embraced by thons in attempt to garnish sympathy for their genderist philosophy and beliefs, such as the medicalization of gender.” According to you, absent all evidence, there is an invisible epidemic of child transgender suicides. Perhaps you meant deaths by auto-erotic asphixiation. In one third of such deaths the male is wearing women’s garments. That may not be “common knowledge”, but it is statistical fact. Yes, that must have been what you meant.] with many more being severely depressed.

Through the last century, everything you can possible imagine — from shock-behaviour therapy to attempted brainwashing — has been used against transsexuals to try and “convert” them. Besides transition, not one of these strategies has worked. [Those strategies are still being used. It’s called Gender Reassignment Surgery. It’s called castration and sterilization- now performed on children as young as 10 years-old! It’s called lifetime drug dependence on synthetic artificial hormones. And as for the “one way ticket to transition the only alternative is death” Trope- it is simply false. Lots of people simply “get over” transsexualism, even after full surgical mutilation and successfully “passing” as the opposite sex for years. They just change their mind. Happens all the time. 98% of children who insist they are “really a girl” or “really a boy” grow out of it if left alone. Usually they grow up to be gay. Lots of people are tormented by the idea that they should have their limbs chopped off, or that they should weigh less than 75 pounds. They don’t all die because their obsessions or BID are not indulged. Quite the contrary. I’ll be doing an extensive post soon on de-transitioning and transsexual regret.]

Not one.
And (especially to you feminists here who hate us for what we were born with) [Oh my! Typical male thinks feminism is about “hating men”. Everything’s not about you, hon. As a man you think it is, but it isn’t.] how would you like to be forced to forever be the opposite gender? For you feminists, this means that you would be forced to live in a male body and to act as a male, against your will, with very little support. I should think that you, too would eventually become depressed. [ I can’t imagine any feminist, or any average person, actually giving a shit. We would just say, “whatever”. Most people, even non-feminists don’t fetishize gender and don't have strong genderist obsessions and beliefs. Most people would just deal with whatever sex they are and never give it another thought. Feminism is all about the elimination of the sex roles you subscribe to and hold dear. The ones you promote.  We are treated vastly differently according to reproductive sex across all cultures, and always with the female at the bottom of a sex hierarchy. As a man, you love that. As a man, you think you might like to try out “being a woman”, which is your privilege to choose. Females don’t get to choose. Women don’t get higher salaries because they inform their boss they have a “male sex role identity”. Women don’t escape rape and involuntary impregnation because they “identify” as something other than female. Not even if they inject testosterone and get a legal gender change. They are female, and they always will be. Just as you will always be a male regardless of who you go around mistrelizing and colonizing. That’s what you fail to understand. And this part : “For you feminists, this means that you would be forced to live in a male body and to act as a male, against your will, with very little support,” Is really key I think. Why would being born male force us to “act as a male”? Why should sex cause us to act a certain way? And act that way against our will, no less? You’re talking about acquiescence to social sex roles. You’re talking about sex-role conformity. Which is a choice, at least for men. What you bemoan as your fate is exactly what feminism rejects. What you embrace, we are dismantling. And I can guarantee a feminist who woke up in a male body wouldn’t be “acting as man”. No man should be “acting as a man”. Women have fought for hundreds of years against men like you for the right to not “act like women”. You must do the same. Fight other men for your right to not “act like men”. You expect to use and abuse women by inflicting yourself on us, by minstrelizing our bodies and mimicking the very sex roles that enslave us. As a man you are used to using women any way you see fit. But we reject you. We reject you as a female. We reject your entire premise. Have some courage and fight other men for your right to not “act like a man”, like we have done for ages. You are no female and you are no ally to females.]

Transition gives us freedom from the shackles of living as the wrong sex; [Please show me where transition frees females from the shackles of male supremacy. Your POV is pure misogyny and male centrism.] after transition, suicide-rates and depression are below the national average, [Post transition rates of suicide, psychiatric emergency and incarceration are higher than pre-transition. You would know this if you did the research. You just literally pull these fictions out of your ass.] and the rate of regret for transition is less than 1%. Source? Fairly common knowledge in the trans-community. Feel free to verify; I’ve seen this figure between 0.5 and 3 percent, and I’ve seen the pre-transition suicide-rates between 1/3 and 1/2 (but 1% and 1/3 are the most commonly accepted). [Hahaha. “Source? Fairly common knowledge in tha trans community”. OMG the “fairly common” knowledge again. Pure fiction. Transsexuals across the board show no marked improvement in function by any objective measure. That’s why Johns Hopkins stopped performing the “treatments”. And there are no reliable long term studies on subjective regret rates, although some studies do show self-reported regrets as high as 20%. Your “fairly common knowledge”, like much “fairly common knowledge” is pure unmitigated bullshit.]

So I’d just like to state clearly and definitively: we did not choose to be transsexual. Yes, we can choose whether we’re going to transition, but we can’t change our natural, hard-wired sense of gender (as I’ve already stated: all attempts to try and do so have failed). [You can state it as clearly and definitively as you want, that doesn’t make it true. Transgender is a choice, and as you state, transitioning is a choice. Sex-Roles are not hard wired. They are culturally created. Rather than being a birth defect, sex-role anomalies are par for the course when such roles are artificial to begin with.]

Thirdly, most of the transsexuals that you all hear about are the ones who are “out” — the ones who most commonly cannot pass as their new sex for one or more reasons; the vast majority of us go stealth, integrating verily well into the feminine gender-role, many of us never being figured-out (good surgeons can do some incredible things). Because of this, the transsexuals you most often see (the ones you’ve associated with what it means to be trans) are most often the ones who are the least representative of transfolk as a whole. [I seriously doubt you have ever left the house in your jizz-soaked nylons much less are passing as stealth. And your implication that transsexuals that “pass” are somehow superior to those that do not is transphobic and offensive. Your comment about men “integrating well into the feminine gender role” is beyond offensive in its women-hating, conservative sexism.]

I shall probably continue this later, after some more comments have been posted. Ciao! [Of course you will. Transplainer’s never stop. That’s why the spam bin was invented. ;) ]

29 Responses to “A Verily Funny Comment.”

  1. plasticgirl Says:

    this person is all sorts of screwed-up in the membrane.

    the vast majority of us go stealth, integrating verily well into the feminine gender-role, many of us never being figured-out (good surgeons can do some incredible things).

    lmao! yea. right. you wish.

    too bad they can’t >–*snip!* you of your MAABtasticism and MAB-socialised, MABlife while you are getting your talleywhacker inverted, eh?

    maabtasticism, it outs you as a real dude™, every time

  2. Cizzir Says:

    Wow! This response is so full of bullshit – only a man can write such things.

    “normal children can not be brought-up reliably in the wrong gender”

    They can!! Here is the proof:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3624891.stm

    This girl was raised as a boy by her father.

    Cizz from europe

  3. jilla Says:

    Can you just imagine the female-hating that little girl must have been subjected to?

  4. FAB Libber aka Dave the Squirrel Says:

    LOL @ the transplainer.
    I lament that we do not get a high class of transplaining trolls, they really need to lift their game because most don’t make it out of the spam pile.

    It’s a sad sad day (for them actually) if twanzphobic radfems are supposed to be up to speed on StarWars references.

    Here is the charity portion of my comment for this anono-M2T; he has such a long way to go before stealthing as female if he continues to drop in StarWars references, particularly a gender-stereotyped female. It makes me wonder if many of these M2Ts have even met actual females in real life.

  5. yttik Says:

    Nicely done, GallusMag. This made me laugh, “virilizing testosterone-wash.” Never heard that nonsense before.

    I seriously pondered this question, “how would you like to be forced to forever be the opposite gender? For you feminists, this means that you would be forced to live in a male body and to act as a male, against your will, with very little support.”

    Yep, I wouldn’t give a shit. It wouldn’t make one difference in my life, except possibly my paychecks would be higher. I’m not sure what being “forced to act like a male” means. Would I have to tell fart jokes, put dirty feet on the coffee table, refuse to take the garbage out?

    I should point out that the vast majority of women already know what it’s like to be forced to live in the wrong body. We tend to view ourselves as fully human, but society insists on perceiving us as lesser beings.

    • Loup-loup garou Says:

      “Would I have to tell fart jokes, put dirty feet on the coffee table, refuse to take the garbage out?”

      Yes, and you would also have to be much more circumspect about your feminine need to pamper yourself with bubble baths, chocolate, and pedicures after a long day in the office. Everybody knows that women have to do this stuff, because even if they’re high-powered executives, they’re still women. Bubble baths, pedicures, and certain kinds of junk food help them remember that.

      The day you woke up in a male body would be the day people started to question the amount of time you spent in the bathroom. You’d have to make do with a pair of nail clippers, three-minute showers, and beef jerky. And if you tried to explain that no, you were exfoliating, they’d just snicker and roll their eyes.

      If you disagree, you’re probably trans and in denial about it.

  6. thebewilderness Says:

    How kind of him to come and mansplain to a bunch of feminists how unpleasant we would find it to be forced into a blue frosted gender roll against our will. He thinks we might get a little depressed?
    Hello? Earth to totally oblivious guy? Three hundred years of feminist struggle against the straitjacket of gender mandates in society. Does that ring any bells? Criminy!

    • Noanodyne Says:

      blue frosted gender roll LOL

      Yes, I went to work in my blue frosted gender roll this morning and found that I was being taken every bit as lightly as I was yesterday when I went to work in my blue frosted gender roll. But my blue frosted gender roll matches my laydee bits, so it’s okey dokey and I couldn’t be happier YAY JENDAH YAY LAYDEE BITS WHHHHEEEEEEEE HAPPY HAPPY!!!!


  7. I love your passion, Gallus!!

    • GallusMag Says:

      Thanks UP! Did this post seem “passionate”? That makes me lol because to me it was a dispassionate matter-of-fact refutation of a silly comment. In fact I thought it was so unimportant that I put in a page break so it wouldn’t take up space on the front page and detract attention from the far more important post about the upcoming “right to drive” protest by Saudi women.
      I think we’re so used to seeing women walk on eggshells and take care to not wound fragile male egos that witnessing a woman plainly and unapologetically refute their bullshit can seem quite jarring, like an act of passion, or even an outrageous act. (Of course to men it feels like a mortal wounding).


      • Passion is a compliment, my sister. I live for it. You typed out a detailed take-down of tranny bullshit and while it isn’t at ALL like *my* EMOTIONAL emoticons and excessive exclamations points, YES, it strikes me as a labor of love. Love for women. And I love that. ;)

        And this part : “For you feminists, this means that you would be forced to live in a male body and to act as a male, against your will, with very little support,” Is really key I think. Why would being born male force us to “act as a male”? Why should sex cause us to act a certain way? And act that way against our will, no less? You’re talking about acquiescence to social sex roles. You’re talking about sex-role conformity. Which is a choice, at least for men. What you bemoan as your fate is exactly what feminism rejects. What you embrace, we are dismantling. . . . Women have fought for hundreds of years against men like you for the right to not “act like women”. You must do the same. Fight other men for your right to not “act like men”. You expect to use and abuse women by inflicting yourself on us, by minstrelizing our bodies and mimicking the very sex roles that enslave us.

        Seriously!! Trans martyrs need to fight the REAL POWER. In fact, women and feminists have already chartered a successful course for relaxation of gender norms in Western culture. DO YOUR OWN WORK.

        PS. Gallus, I love this link: http://sugarandslugs.wordpress.com/2011/02/13/sex-differences/

      • GallusMag Says:

        Sorry UP, I think my mind was tainted when your comment came in- by so many weird responses to this from the male minstrels, the weeping and gnashing of teeth at the harshness of reality (poor menz) without bothering to engage a SINGLE point I articulated, of course, all boo-hoo-hoo, why can’t you play along with us the way we insist all women do, who do females think they are -that they define their sex by biological reality, boo-hoo-hoo, Gallus you are so cruelllllll. It’s an outrage! Nazi! LOLOL.

      • GallusMag Says:

        OMG Trans Martyrs- can I steal that? ;)
        xox

  8. Noanodyne Says:

    I love your commitment to telling the straight truth clearly and fully and making it so easy to see what is incoherent, selfish, and meaningless in their arguments, but still so dangerous and harmful to females. And your righteous take-downs, like this one:

    You expect to use and abuse women by inflicting yourself on us, by minstrelizing our bodies and mimicking the very sex roles that enslave us. As a man you are used to using women any way you see fit. But we reject you. We reject you as a female. We reject your entire premise. Have some courage and fight other men for your right to not “act like a man”, like we have done for ages. You are no female and you are no ally to females.


  9. Of COURSE you can have TRANS MARTYRS!! Please do! Run with it!! ;)

  10. GallusMag Says:

    Dearest Commenters: If your comment does not address the text, do not bother hitting the send button. Really, if you have no rebuttal, than you have no right to express “outrage”. Please make a note of it. Thank you.

    P.S. “Because I say so” is not a rebuttal. An honest rebuttal would be something like “I don’t give a shit about women, I only care about the rights of men to have their feelings spared. At least the rights of men who claim to be female. Females are so inconsequential that they have no right to assemble, no right of self-definition, no right to dismantle the apparatus of their servitude (gender).” or “There is no such thing as objective reality. There is no such thing as female subjugation, because females don’t exist. The only thing that exists is our imagination. And I don’t see how females are harmed by a sex-based hierarchy based on their biology, because biology doesn’t exist.”

    Hope these guidelines help.

  11. Noanodyne Says:

    You even state THEIR arguments beautifully (not to mention far better than they do). You’ve done them a great service, perhaps they can get index cards printed and give them to every single M2T in the land.

    Card 1 will say:

    I don’t give a shit about women, I only care about the rights of men to have their feelings spared [ and/or confirmed as the single most important thing in the known universe]. At least the rights of men who claim to be female. Females are so inconsequential that they have no right to assemble, no right of self-definition, no right to dismantle the apparatus of their servitude (gender).

    Card 2 will say:

    There is no such thing as objective reality. There is no such thing as female subjugation, because females don’t exist. The only thing that exists is our imagination. And I don’t see how females are harmed by a sex-based hierarchy based on their biology, because biology doesn’t exist.

    Depending on how one of the dears is feeling that day, and who he has encountered, he can simply hand out one or the other of the cards to anyone who hasn’t realized the truth and beauty of his blather. These handy little cards would certainly save everyone a lot of time trying to answer the age-old question: WHAT IN THE WHAT???

  12. radfemcrafts Says:

    <3

  13. Sarah Says:

    This whole post makes me really sad. I came here through the pro female site looking to understand the pro-female perspective a little clearer through blog posts rather than just academic work. It’s really touched a nerve with me because last night I spent an entire evening arguing with a bunch of overprivileged gay men about why just maybe they might be a need to find a space for women in an LGBT group, and the mocking and attacks just remind me of that.

  14. Bev Jo Says:

    But Sarah, there is a huge difference. The men are acting from privilege, about considering allowing in an oppressed woman in their male space. We are the oppressed women who do not have access to what the men have, and are trying to keep men from taking what little we have left, including our own identities.

    • GallusMag Says:

      I didn’t understand what Sarah’s comment was saying until I saw the comments he left on other radfem sites yesterday. You’re right Bev, he’s a M2T MRA. Looking to understand the female perspective indeed. Lolololol. What an idiot.

  15. SheilaG Says:

    “Looking to understand the pro-female viewpoint” “pro-female” never heard that term, and since when do men ever care to learn anything about women other than to steal from us. The latest theft attempts are stealing female identity itself, renaming it, as a new form of colonization.

    Nope MRA-MtoTrans… spot on.


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