Transgender Names For Females
October 14, 2011
1959-1989 (pre-internet)
Females
Fish
1989-1994
Genetic Girls
GG’s
Gennies
Born Females
Fish
1994-2004
Bio Females
Fish
2004-2010
Cis Females
Cis Women
Cissies (pronounced “Sissy”)
FAAB (Females Assigned At Birth)
Muggles (Harry Potter term for humans lacking magic)
For Butch Lesbians: Fibbers (Female Identified Butches)
Fish
2010- Present:
Cis Females
Cis Women
FCAAB (Females Coercively Assigned At Birth)
CAFAB (Coercively Assigned Female At Birth)
For Butch Lesbians: MOC (“mock”) Females (Masculine of Center Females)
Fish
October 14, 2011 at 5:28 am
I must be missing a few. Anyone? Kathrin?
October 17, 2011 at 8:32 pm
This is actually the first time I’ve heard most of them. I had to look up CAFAB the other day.
I try to stay away from gender theory, and don’t associate with anyone who would use any word for female as a pejorative. The term I’ve heard people use generally is “cis”, but it’s used as an adjective to discriminate between those who do and don’t face some degree of gender dysphoria. If anything, it’s typically used as a term of respect – the unobtainable goal, as it were – to be seen by the world as “female” instead of female-with-an-asterisk. I was invited once to a “trans-gender” party, and it still haunts me. I want nothing to do with the kind of people, behaviors, attitudes, morals, or environment one can find there.
The trans[gender/sexuals] individuals who are deeply women-hating, yet feel the compulsion to transition to try to be one never cease to amaze me. I may not agree with them, but the “best of both worlds” crowd are at least intellectually consistent.
I’d offer to do some research, but there is enough good in this world that I really don’t need to be trawling through the cesspools of self-loathing, female-hating, phallocentric writings of disturbed human beings. Sometimes what has been seen can not be un-seen. Still, I try.
October 14, 2011 at 9:26 am
Well, FAAB was invented by radfems a couple of years ago (it was not their invention). It does piss me off that in the last few years they have ripped it off with variations to suit themselves.
And I have always hated cis-, and cissies – frickin obvious hatred at us.
I really thought ‘fish’ had died out. It has been around for as long as I can remember, and the general term males have always used for us. The fact that M2Ts use it, well, just illustates their maleness.
October 17, 2011 at 8:37 pm
@DaveSquirrel
“Cis” came from Cis–trans isomerism in chemistry. In that context, “cis” is a latin prefix meaning “on the same side”, as opposed to “trans”, or “on the other side”. It wasn’t intended to be hatred at all, merely a prefix for “not trans”.
As for the term “cissies”, that one is a lot more insulting. They took a term that is intended to be clinical and benign, and turned it into an insult. I’ve heard this term a time or two, and they were from people who were not supporters of females, to say the least.
October 17, 2011 at 9:27 pm
Yes, I am aware of where they SAY it came from.
After-the-fact, when called on it.
October 23, 2011 at 12:11 am
@DaveSquirrel:
“Yes, I am aware of where they SAY it came from.
After-the-fact, when called on it.”
Perhaps. I don’t know, but thank you for bringing it up.
I can only speak from my own experiences, and the explanation that was given to me. If it is a bit of historical revisionism, I would be interested in knowing. I have no use for language rooted in hatred or misogyny.
October 24, 2011 at 2:09 am
I studied cis-trans isomerism in organic chemistry when I was in college, and the terms do mean what Kathrin said they do in chemistry. I still think it’s pretty insulting the way they apply it to us, especially the derivative term “cissies.”
October 14, 2011 at 9:26 am
I’m pretty sure I remember Mary Daly writing something about the term ‘natal women’ in the Wickedary, so that one must have existed at least since 1987.
October 14, 2011 at 12:23 pm
If anything is conclusive proof of their female hatred, this list is it.
October 14, 2011 at 1:25 pm
“woman born woman” eben though everyone is born as a baby.
why fish? isn’t “faab” a term used by feminists?
October 14, 2011 at 5:12 pm
I see a pattern here…
Fish? 7th grade, fellas. But, of course, that’s your PEA (Point of Emotional Arrest) isn’t it?
October 14, 2011 at 5:59 pm
http://ityeflies.com/news/2%20women%20fishing.jpg
October 14, 2011 at 9:26 pm
I agree, Davina, and all! How dare these female-hating men define us/name-call us?
By the way, patriarchy teaches us that men are at the top of evolution, with nordic men the pinnacle, and then women, mammals, birds, reptiles, fish, etc. I’ve been told by those who eat fish rather than mammals, that fish feel less. But I have found that after spending time with fish in their environment, they have every emotion I’ve seen in humans (and perhaps more). They are incredibly intelligent and social. You can make friends with them quite easily, if you know what to do (and I don’t mean tricking them with offers of friendship to kill them, like men do on television). I’ve been able to communicate and receive communication from wild fish, which I’m still amazed at. Some species are all female, or the females become “male” briefly, just to reproduce. We are taught to look down on fish, just as all people are taught to look down on females.
So, I don’t mind being identified with fish, but the fish have to do it — not misogynist men.
October 14, 2011 at 9:31 pm
That picture reminds me of Stargazy pie. Those zany trannies. I think it is an attempt to say we stink. We all know who really stinks. And, we don’t have to give them a name in order for everyone else to know it. The stench is just there for the world to smell.
October 15, 2011 at 10:18 am
Yes, I remember now. Men think that vaginas smell like fish.
And as you said, it’s men who stink and not women or fish (I would like to add). This is not only a reversal. It is men thinking that women are stinking f*ckh*les. Thanks for the objectification.
They can go f*ck themselves.
October 16, 2011 at 8:11 am
Yeah, well you only have to smell the difference between the Ladies toilets and the Gents toilets to know who “stinks”.
October 15, 2011 at 1:37 am
You are right, Kitty. They are stinking up the world. It shouldn’t be an insult to be compared to other animals, but yes, they certainly mean it that way. And since that is exactly what men do to ridicule females, these men show that their claiming to be women is such a lie.
October 15, 2011 at 9:01 am
Mock Females?
Fibbers?
OMFG these are such great terms! THANK YOU! ^_^
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October 17, 2011 at 6:14 pm
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October 17, 2011 at 6:45 pm
Internet stalking is highly illegal in your country. I bet you stalk lots of women. You’ve made your intention to harass quite clear. I’ve lost all patience with you. Goodbye.
October 15, 2011 at 9:16 am
I can’t believe I’m expected to take being called a “fibber” or a “mock” with a straight face (or without getting insulted..).. Or that we are meant to just take any of these terms because we’re so ~*privileged*~
it’s so true, the entire trans doctrine is based on hatred and fetishization of women..
Mary Daly was so right about the power of naming..
October 15, 2011 at 10:20 am
Btw, I wonder how tras refer to men in general, without insults I assume. Them they wouldn’t dare to call sissy?
October 17, 2011 at 8:45 pm
Depends on the context, and the group.
The generally non-hateful ones would use “cis male” or “cis female” when there was a need to discriminate between trans and not trans (for example, when addressing bathroom issues with a FTM). Those same groups would use “male” or “female” when such a distinction wasn’t necessary.
“Cissy”, on the few occasions I have heard it used, was more a rant against gender or sexual norms and those who supported and/or followed them. It’s roots are still based in misogyny, though. When I heard it, it was used against men and women, but the individuals were still anti-female.
October 15, 2011 at 4:32 pm
“woman born woman” was coined by feminist women in the 70′s and has a very specific history and context
October 15, 2011 at 8:46 pm
cis-gender is the term female impersonators invented for born women… again, men assuming they can “name” born women. So here we go again with more male degredation of women in general, which is what all these names are about anyway.
Do Female to trans get subjected to this? Trans doctrine is about the final violation of women, and our space and our moral and spiritual integrity. Trans lies con lesbians into letting the wolves into the field in the first place, never really knowing that Mary Daly was trying to warn us decades ago.
Just what is it going to take for all women to pay attention to the radical feminist lesbian elders who were the pioneers, and yet still women allow the impersonators, fettishists and creepos in the gate!
October 15, 2011 at 11:49 pm
As a dyke who is only romantically/physically involved w/other FAAB dykes, I was called out for my… “monosexual cisgender privilege”.
OoooOoooh… The BURN… the burn hurt so bad.
October 16, 2011 at 8:13 am
It burns!
October 24, 2011 at 8:57 pm
WTF is that supposed to mean?
October 25, 2011 at 3:59 pm
It means they’re annoyed that someone else has a larger dating pool.
October 27, 2011 at 1:23 am
Loup-loup garou pretty much covered it. LoL! Doc J if you haven’t personally experienced this yet let me explain…
In some VERY desperate attempts to look ALL “encompassing/accepting/open minded” in the **cough**cough** community online, some folks are not only transgendered, but also poly/bi/bdsm/dom/sub/aspergers/physically challenged/poc/faggydyke.
Btw… all of those are often used together if not allllll together… especially the back in the mid 2000′s the Aspergers.
It was always Aspergers.
So the point is this:: because they are SO INCREDIBLY “unique”… **sad face icon here** they are discreminated against and no one will <3 them.
Monosexual = not poly
Poly = getting laid isn't complicated enough for some folks, they need a group vote.
October 17, 2011 at 3:58 am
Monosexual cisgender privilege. LOL.
I’m glad I wasn’t drinking anything when I read that.. hilarious
October 17, 2011 at 8:01 pm
Funny thing that the men in the bar in Chicago couldn’t recognize a man–gee, just because he looked like a woman, and had the body of a woman, how could they not know he was a he-man? After all, HE knew he was a man! And that’s all that matters, right? Having identified as a lesbian separatist, and also having worked as an activist with gay men, I am shocked–SHOCKED–to see that there are so many gay male separatists out there! OK, I’m not shocked. I have dealt with more gay men who are separatists than with lesbians who are. The men just don’t have the nerve to call themselves what they really are.
And by the way, ‘m really a rich person, but I was born into the body of a poor one. Where do I sign up to get my money?
October 17, 2011 at 8:18 pm
lol I do believe that Kitty meant to post on this thread:
http://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2011/01/18/ftms-fight-for-right-to-party-with-men-who-have-dicks/
October 17, 2011 at 10:02 pm
Oh, sorry. NEVER AGAIN!
October 17, 2011 at 10:11 pm
No big deal Kitty. You can re-post it over there if you want.
October 18, 2011 at 1:48 am
Just kidding with the NEVER AGAIN thing. I am a totally burned-out activist/organizer, and I never pass up a chance to make fun of movement jargon. I love your blog, I am so grateful that I’m not nearly the only one who can see that the Emperor isn’t wearing anything. Thanks!
October 18, 2011 at 2:08 am
Thanks Kitty- good to see you here.
YES WE CAN!!!
lol
October 19, 2011 at 10:46 am
Yeah, that Masculine of Center debate occurred at this year’s Butch Voices as an umbrella term for Butches and others…when they denied the term, along with others: BUTCH WOMEN! So much woman hatred. And not just trans call females ‘fish’, gay guys did it to me all the time back in the ’80′s telling me “I don’t want to be seen with any fish tonight” (meaning women, dykes, whathave you, since they think our genitals smell like fish).
It was one thing that turned me onto Separatism, and away from gay men.
and MTF’s would refer to me as merely a ‘genetic female’. Yep, baby it’s in the genes..and so much more…..call me an ‘essentialist’ all the way baby….no penis between us friends!
October 24, 2011 at 3:42 am
If you were hanging around groups like ACT-UP, Queer Nation, WAC, or the Lesbian Avengers c.1990, you likely remember how people used to have cheap stickers printed up in neon colors and slap them on everything in sight, but particularly onto their leather jackets. (Those were part of the activist uniform at the time, sort of like the funny hats the OWS dudes seem to go in for.)
At any rate, there are a couple of those stickers I remember fondly:
Female-Hating Fags Fuck Off
and
Call Me Fish and Die
October 27, 2011 at 10:18 pm
Btw::: Hello! I posted to your blog and never introduced myself because I have “issues” w/even leaving a voice mail. I’m sure it’s not neurological or some “sexual” issue. I’m just not good w/HellO!!
Everyone thinks they are so charming and interesting… meanwhile they have plastic cow collections or are buying Avon? Who still buys Avon?
OMfG… the plastic cow collectors are going to be after me now!!!
I’m plasticCOWphobic!!
I’m not good at hellos. Hello. **insert smiley face here**
October 28, 2011 at 2:16 am
We don’t stand on formality around here just jump right in. Welcome.