Gender Trender Misrepresentation

December 23, 2012

Reblogged from Purple Speaks:

In an article about Riki Wilchins, several people left hateful and untrue comments about me and this blog.  I don't see why this TS & Mainstream blog is on ANY TG blog at all.  If you are a TG or other LGBT blog member, you really have no right to care what a TS Mainstreamist said, since nothing they say will be for your benefit.

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"PURPLE SPEAKS! He just never shuts the fuck up. My god this man is a prolific typist. ....................................................... Here are some chestnuts from the most right-wing sexist homophobic trans activist this side of Kat Rose or Cristin Williams, for those of you who can’t be bothered to trot over to his site to read the whole looong longggg rant (which is most of you I’m sure): .......................................................... “ If you are a TG or other LGBT blog member, you really have no right to care what a TS Mainstreamist said, since nothing they say will be for your benefit. I only ask that this blog never be posted on TG/LGBT sites, only TS & Mainstream Community sites.” ............................................................ TSs are a type of Mainstream person, while TGs are a type of LGBT person. TSs embrace and love the Mainstream, TGs hate and disrespect the Mainstream while pretending the objects of their hate are the real haters.” .............................................................. “Gender identity is who you are, your essence, you being, and provides the basis for your interests. For TSs, their core gender identity is correct, but the body itself is wrong. “ ................................................................. “I found lies accusing this of being a homophobic blog. It is not. But weak-minded people love to pretend hate exists where it is not and love being victims. I reread some of the older entries and found nothing homophobic in them. Saying that every LGBT lifestyle is a choice is not homophobic. Comparing homosexuality to being an addict is not homophobic. Why don’t we call people drugophobes and alcophobes for opposing those addictions? Embracing a mainstream culture over an LGBT one is not homophobic. Criticizing the LGBT Community is not hate. Opposing gayness for inborn, moral, political, or religious reasons is not homophobia. When I criticize TGs or LGBTs, it is always as a group, never against individuals. My criticisms are aimed at an organized LGBT movement and it leaders, not every single LGBT person. Of course, liars cannot tell the difference between opposing the perversion and choice of gayness and opposing actual LGBT persons. I believe everyone should oppose sins while supporting and embracing the “sinners.”” ..................................................................... “Then there is “Beth.” He/it is obviously too stupid to use female pronouns when dealing with genuine TSs. When he/it edits his post to remove the disrespectful male pronouns or deletes his post, I will edit this one to refer to them with female pronouns. “ ...................................................................... “The majority of women who have the problem of disrespecting TS women and misgendering them are lesbians, adulteresses, or are engaged in other unpopular living arrangements. So the ones throwing stones at TS women live mostly in glass houses.” .......................................................................... “It is however a waste for a woman to dress as a man after the surgery. Why get surgery if you are going to dress as your birth gender? It is not one of my peeves. It is just that if you can function living as your birth gender, you would never get the surgery.” .................................................................... “TS women, on the other hand, thrive on the gender divide and need it, just like the rest of the 90% of non-LGBTs in society.” ................................................................... “However, HBS persons are not “extreme” at all. They have the SAME beliefs as the Mainstream public. View them as cisgendered and it will all make sense to you. Ignore whatever beliefs you have about their bodies and take them for cisgendered. It only seems “extreme” to you when you pretend that TSs are TGs or part of the LGBT. Keep in mind that the TS-Specific Movement is not the same as the HBS Movement. At any rate, both TS-Specific TSs and HBS members NEED a gender dichotomy to function, just like MOST cisgendered people who are not in the LGBT. The others want to steal that from us or claim it is only for Mainstream women other than us.” .............................................................. “Then there is Adrian’s comments. Genuine TSs side with the Mainstream. They don’t transition to be seen as a minority. TGs are the ones who choose to be seen as a minority, perhaps they want to be a part of a hated group and need that. They oppose the Mainstream Community and conformity because they thrive on being hated. That is a sign of insecurity. Adrian’s mention of “Black face” is offensive, and an incorrect metaphor. If you want to talk about genuine TSism in the context of discrimination, then racial “passing” would be a little closer. However, even that can be seen as offensive since nobody can change their skin, but they can correct their body to match who they have always been.” ...................................................................... “I’ve seen LGBTs hatefully attack Conservatives, Christians, pro-lifers, Jews, obese persons, people who pray, etc., and they claim to be the “tolerant” ones.” ....................................................................... “As for “Amber,” I think what she said was unfortunate. I don’t think she is HBS, but TS-Specific. The TGs/LGBTs totally took her words out of context. She was not calling on LGBTs to kill themselves. Nor was it a call for murder, though some LGBTs openly called on George W. Bush or even TSs to be murdered. Instead, the way I took it, she was saying that if LGBTs were to hypothetically disappear somehow, regardless of how or why, TSs would instantly have more rights, at least what they had in 2000 before the TGs hijacked them and the LGBTs force them under their umbrella against their will. Most of the former TSs identified with the Mainstream Community and didn’t want to be a part of any non-mainstream community. They disappeared from the trans scene they were never supposed to be a part of. Likewise, the comments on “deserving” discrimination were probably meant only at the “moral” and hypothetical level. Saying someone deserves it is a far cry from promoting and encouraging such. We collectively don’t want to deprive anyone of anything. We simply want the LGBTs to stay out of our business and to allow us to communicate with TS & Mainstream persons without interference nor interruption. Most Conservatives vent to prevent doing a lot of things in real life. Conservatives and females have needs to vent that Liberals and males don’t have, and that leads to discrimination when people try to deprive us of our need to vent.” ..................................................................... “The “sexism” talk on that other blog is just nonsense too. It is not sexism to have separate male and female roles. They are different and equal. Everyone has their own purpose in life, and it is different per person. What is best for me is not best for you, etc. So if someone wants to be a part of a 2-gender system or needs that to function, it would be immoral to steal that from them.” ......................................................................... “Also, I don’t “ramble.” Accusing anyone of having any negative trait nor mentioning it would be about like accusing gay folks of bad things that most don’t do. Accusing someone of “rambling” is like accusing them of pedophilia.”

50 Responses to “Gender Trender Misrepresentation”

  1. michelle Says:

    well, you know our weekend just is never complete without some dude telling us how we are wrong…

    That one needs to offer digital barf bags upon entry into the site though. Seems to me that if he truly wanted to be so ‘mainstream,’ he would simply shut the fuck up and meld into society instead of going out of his way to draw even more attention to himself.


  2. Oh GAWD, they are the most sexually frustrated in all the land. They had the surgery, now their bodies will never know physical sexual gratification ever again. Poor sad sad sad poor little bastards. If they weren’t so mean and nasty I made actually feel sorry for them.

    • Donna Reiser Says:

      Why would I be sexually frustrated? It seems you are. The first to make such personal attacks are usually guilty of whatever. If you worked on expressing what you feel in words and learn to be more intellectual to where you don’t need sex, and maybe you picked up some faith and some hobbies, you would not be sexually frustrated nor trying to project your feelings onto others.

      I am proudly asexual and have always lacked such needs. I am not mean and nasty at all unless misgendered or otherwise attacked first.


      • You have no choice but to be asexual. Your surgery removed all of your sexual options. I am sorry you were too arrogant at the time to think your future through. Perhaps now, you can come to terms with your poor decision and help others from meeting the same fate. Instead of trying to get more to join you in your misery.

      • born free & female Says:

        “The first to make such personal attacks are usually guilty of whatever” = “he who smelt it, dealt it”

      • Donna Reiser Says:

        “You have no choice but to be asexual. Your surgery removed all of your sexual options. I am sorry you were too arrogant at the time to think your future through. Perhaps now, you can come to terms with your poor decision and help others from meeting the same fate. Instead of trying to get more to join you in your misery.”

        That is very ignorant to say. First off, if someone has the surgery, they are no longer a transsexual. A person is born with TSism then takes hormones and gets surgery to eliminate it. So a person is a TS woman before surgery and a woman after surgery.

        I thought my future through well. I knew my entire life I was really a girl, so there was nothing to think about. I made no decision at all. If being born with TSism and then destroying it through surgery is a decision, then so is choosing to be a diabetic so you can get to take insulin, or choosing to take insulin. Making decisions for oneself is never arrogant, but making decisions for others or speaking for any named person other than oneself is.

        Asexuality, like heterosexuality, is a valid sexual orientation one is born with. I knew from an early age that I wanted to live my life completely single and alone with no partner to control me, worry about me, nor rob me of the privilege of doing things alone without help. I’ve never had any romantic nor sexual thoughts since I was born without those and can never repress what was never there. I prided myself for strictly getting pleasure from my studies. What arouses me is me getting to be alone in my own world, making things, creating things, thinking, being myself, expressing my own views, holding true to myself and my beliefs no matter what, and coming up with new ideas and philosophies. As for contact with people, I’ve only wanted just friends, and only other Mainstream, non-LGBT girls as friends.

        I’ve never been miserable since nature or some deity saw fit to not give me a sex drive nor interests, nor the desire to control others. I enjoy the privilege of being alone and not having sex, calling all the shots in my life, and having the luxury of doing things alone my own way without others forcing help on me. It is the sexuals who are miserable. They are slaves to chasing tail and may even rape to get it (though yes, I know rape is about power/control, not sex). I’ve always been free of such desires.

        Ms. Reiser

      • Donna Reiser Says:

        Some things I forget (yes, even I forget to say some things). First, TS surgery for TS women does not diminish sex drive nor interest. All nerves are preserved and most of the tissue is rerouted. Nearly every TS woman is fully sensate in their vagina and clitoris after surgery.

        Secondly, at least 10% of all TS women are of the asexual orientation long before surgery. You cannot get “frustrated” if you have low interest, since it takes much less or none to fill you.

    • sylvie Says:

      Donna Reiser Says:
      The first to make such personal attacks are usually guilty of whatever.
      … learn to be more intellectual to where you don’t need sex
      … maybe you picked up some faith and some hobbies
      … you would not be… trying to project your feelings onto others.
      … I am not mean and nasty at all unless misgendered or otherwise attacked first.

      Interesting, fascinating even (not really), the flawed logic and disordered thought processes born of and perpetuated by an immature grasp of reality, life of denial and lying to self in order to protect ego.

      Additionally, the tendency to correlate the unrelated adds no credibility yet forms the sole basis of rebuttals, responses and opinions.

      Donna’s posts and replies do little except reinforce the glaringly obvious state of immaturity Donna appears to be stuck in, as well as the cognitive dissonance one invariably feels when unable to reconcile conflicting ideas or beliefs (in this case – the fact Donna is not a female, but believes they think and feel like one, and were therefore meant to be a female).

      Essentially a spolied brat. Someone like Donna would probably use the “takes one to know one” rebuttal (“The first to make such personal attacks are usually guilty of whatever”). However, familiarity is also gained through repeat exposure.

      • Donna Reiser Says:

        What makes me female was inborn. To deny that would be sexist for you, since you reduce your sum being to the parts I was always supposed to have. Your neurology and inborn nature trumps your mere body, unless you are just a vagina and that opening trumps who you are as a person. Both your worth and mine are far above that.

    • Donna Reiser Says:

      I see that Zagria is spreading misinformation on me as always. In addition to the incorrect assertion I am a separatist, Zagria incorrectly claims I refer to transwomen as men and that I am a transwoman who objects to that. Zagria doesn’t seem able to get it that a born TS woman is not the same as a TG (“transwoman”) man in drag with LGBT values who chooses to keep his penis for life (or get surgery for the wrong reasons just to abuse TS women and other women by presuming to speak for them). The correct gender markers for TS women are the female ones, while the correct gender markers for transgender men in drag (AKA “transwomen”) are male ones.

      So refer to me with female pronouns since I was born with a complete female nature and neurology inside and have NO LGBT values nor culture. I am proudly a TS and proudly not a “transwoman,” other man in drag, nor any other type of LGBT person. But refer to the TG men in dresses as the men they are. The more that TSs refuse to be called TGs, and the more they refer to TGs with male pronouns while demanding female pronouns as non-TG women, the more the non-LGBT community will see that TS women belong in their community, while the TG men in drag (“transwomen”) belong in the Mainstream community. TSs are part of the 90%, TGs part of the 10%. TSs support the Mainstream community while TGs oppose it and attack it. TSs lack the anti-mainstream hate like Zagria and other leaders of the TG men in dresses community.

      I’m a Mainstreamist TS woman, not a transwoman. Anyone who is a “transwoman” is a type of TG man in drag, and therefore a hateful separatist. TSs are a subset of the 90% of society, “transwomen” are part of the 10% of self-hating separatists who hate normal society and Mainstream living. If a “transwoman” (born-male TG non-op or mistaken-op) opposes TGs or the LGBTs, it would by hypocrisy and self-hate, but it would be just as correct and normal for a TS woman to do it as it would be for any other woman.

  3. Ave Says:

    “inborn female nature.”
    ” the perversion and choice of gayness”
    *gags* …..you were right about this poster. it’s just like that amber commenter i posted quote from. indeed, it’s sick that this person supports ambers comments….that’s “true tss” for ya
    “We collectively don’t want to deprive anyone of anything.”
    bullshit. when someone says another person deserves discrimination that is encouraging deprivation.

    • Donna Reiser Says:

      I am not a man nor a he as Mr. Gallus slanderously states. of course, he or it should refer to me with female pronouns since calling a TS woman by male pronouns is every bit as calling a man of color. What I say on my moral TS and Mainstream blog has nothing to do with your pervert blog. I will delete the post I left there if you remove EVERY post about me here and every link to my blog. What our TS woman and Mainstream blog has to say is not the business of a queer blogger.The same character defect that causes your gayness causes you to disrespect others and renders you unable to call TS women by female pronouns. This is one reason why most genuine TSs oppose the LGBT community, because the community misgenders us, presumes to speak for us, tries to get us things in society we do not want nor need, and tries to destroy the 2-gender system that every cisgendered and TS person needs.

      I ask that you cease and desist referring to me as sexist, homophobic, or ANY other label. What I say is how EVERY mainstream woman around here thinks. If you accepted me fully as a cisgendered woman, my words would make sense to you. You only find it sexist or homophobic because a woman born wrongly with TSism said it. You would not find it that way if my Mainstream colleagues said it. You think women are worthless and that women are only good for sex. You met an intelligent woman here who refuses to back down to your lies, bullying, sexism, TS-phobia and cisphobia. You cannot handle that. It is all about your weak, presumably male ego.

      When the LGBT community officially and permanently disowns TSs women, shuts up about them, never speaks for them, and stops interfering with Mainstream & TS Community matters, I will stop blogging. All you have to do is to get EVERY LGBT and TG organization to stop referring to TSs as TGs and to issue a public statement giving an apology and saying they are not.

      I ask that you not quote what I say on my blog since I say what I feel at any moment and every post is subject to editing at any point. First published works are never their best.

      I am not homophobic as you allege. You have to pretend there is homophobia where there is none since you love playing the victim to immorally control others. You cannot accept others as equals to you. No, you have to lie on them or control them in some way as most men do. I support gay persons while opposing their choices, just like I support addicts while opposing their addiction. Addicts will attack and lie when you stand between them and their addiction. LGBTs are good people, and they can be much better once they find deep inner healing that not only helps them past their gayness, but all the underlying causes and related issues in their lives.

      I believe both sexes are unique, equal in value, and equally necessary. That is not sexist. I do admit I struggle with the concept of masculinity, since the less masculine someone is, the better of a person I find them to be. Masculinity has started every war there is. Masculinity is the major drive behind drug use, drug dealing, rape, pornography, pedophilia, violence, etc. Sure, women can do most of those too, but men do it much more. The more I accept them. At times, I see every form of masculinity as a form of rape. I do not want masculinity in myself nor want any contact with it. I’d love to live a completely asexual life with no masculine influences nor exposure. Just me and other women, born with or without TSism. I see TS woman and cisgendered as synonymous for all intents and purposes, but I don’t support recreational transgenderism.

      Actually, LGBT relationships are what is sexist. Gay relationships are sexist against women. Lesbian relationships are sexist against men. Bisexual relationships see everyone as sex objects, and TGs misappropriate tokens of a gender they are not, tries to steer the viewpoints of that gender.

      I will keep posting until you stop posting about me. Again, my blog is ONLY for Mainstream, non-LGBT persons, and that includes former TS women, and genuine TS preops. You are not either. The less you say about me, the less I say about you. Oh, and I still don’t know who Lilac is. My guess is that is the “Purple Girl” who I took over the blog from. I guess I should change the passwords. The MORE LGBTs say that TSs are TGs, not really women, or a part of the LGBT or TG community, the MORE all TSs will speak against the LGBT. Is that what you want? What will it take to cut us lose? You are about like the Sodomites. They were blinded by the angels and still tried to break into the house to rape them. The LGBT keeps taking hits from TSs and yet the LGBT still acts like they own us and refuse to let us speak for ourselves and tell our own stories. I have a lot to say because I speak for every TS that the LGBT has silenced, brainwashed, murdered, pushed to suicide, outed, defamed, abused, or attacked. They are MY sisters as are every non-LGBT woman.

      • GallusMag Says:

        Donna your rants are too short for me to read. Please type longer.

      • radicalwoman Says:

        What is it with trans always trying to claim their oppression is the same as that of people of color? Every trans I’ve ever met has been white.

      • Adrian Says:

        Bottom line is not a one of you ever can put into words just what this “inborn female nature” is. Protip: That’s because it’s bullshit.

        I’m born a woman. Accepted by everyone, from the moment of birth, due to my physical characteristics. And yet I don’t sympathize at all with any of the supposed “femininity” I’m told I’m supposed to like, and never have. AND, I’m heterosexual even. But you know what? Even when I don’t perform “woman” I still am one, because that’s how the system works. I don’t get to choose not to be a woman, even if I wanted to.

        I have a HUMAN brain, is what I have.

        I’ve never met a woman who actually believes in the “female brain” FWIW. The entire idea of “the female brain” is what we fight against, because all it is is oppression, someone telling me how I must think and how I must “naturally” behave, rather than actually treating me like a human being and finding out how I think by actually interacting with me.

      • sylvie Says:

        Adrian Says:
        Bottom line is not a one of you ever can put into words just what this “inborn female nature” is. Protip: That’s because it’s bullshit.

        Exactly!

        “I don’t have to justify myself to you! I know I’m female because I relate to things I’ve read in women’s magazines! And ads I’ve seen on TV! Stuff you! I’m going to go find some mainstream women who read those same magazines! They’ll know what I mean without me having to give actual details! Unlike you… you… feminists!”

        Roffle.

        Adrian Says:
        I’ve never met a woman who actually believes in the “female brain” FWIW. The entire idea of “the female brain” is what we fight against, because all it is is oppression, someone telling me how I must think and how I must “naturally” behave, rather than actually treating me like a human being and finding out how I think by actually interacting with me.

        Yes – and precisely why the continued insistence that TS’s have a “female brain” is so annoying/offensive/nonsensical.

        Oh, a “female brain”? What do you mean by that? Oh you can’t put it into words? Riiiiight.

        Are we supposed to just believe that they can comprehend the collective, all encompassing “female brain” they speak of, when all indications are they think nothing like us? Nod in a knowing way and show empathy, because this is one of those times that things don’t need to be stated??! Perhaps even care take their feelings for a moment, because women are supposed to do that, right?

        No! :-D Major red flags when someone claims to know how you think or feel (essentially what it is), yet can’t even begin to put it into words, more often than not packing a sad at being questioned instead.

        It’s pretty freaking clear that PS/Donna does not think like any of the women I know, nor me. For starters, the women I know are sane and rational. And they’re women.

      • Ashland Avenue Says:

        “Donna your rants are too short for me to read. Please type longer.”

        *spit take, then a delicious belly laugh*

    • Donna Reiser Says:

      I didn’t support Amber’s comments. I only clarified what I think she meant as Conservatives think differently than liberals and always say things stronger and more general than they mean them. She was only trying to say that if LGBTs were not on the scene for whatever reason, and I wish she hadn’t mentioned suicide, that TSs would have their pre-2000 rights back before the LGBT stole them.

      As for perversion, notice I didn’t call gay people perverts. Cigarettes are nasty, not smokers. They are merely the victims of twisted thoughts they cannot help. This is what most mainstream persons believe, so don’t call me homophobic because I am a TS and state what is generally accepted among non-LGBTs. So stop the double standards. If a non-LGBT person can say it, so can a TS woman, and without hypocrisy or doublespeak since TSs are not LGBTs. They can be, but collectively as a movement, the TS-Specific, TS+Mainstream, and HBS movements are not a part of the LGBT movement. We have liberation and freedom from them and their ideas which hold us back and prevent us from being who we really want to be the most, and that is cisgendered and mainstream, and for it to be assumed when we are spotted that we have mainstream, traditional, and pro-family values. Most Mainstream persons don’t share their true beliefs out of fear. I share mine since my beliefs are a part of who I am, and I truly have very little to lose. So I make each day count by fully being myself and sharing my beliefs. Life is too short to waste in fear sitting on your words and pretending to be pro-LGBT to be accepted and not persecuted nor ridiculed. I didn’t stop living one lie to start living another.

      Again, collectively, we as a unit don’t want to deprive others of anything. What an individual says is not indicative of an entire group. Even if you don’t deserve things, which I guess she stated as merely an opinion with no motives to take your rights, there is a long distance between saying you don’t deserve it and actually trying to take anything from you. Many people said that Nadia Suleman (I won’t say the hate-slur the leftwing media invented for her, but think of the number 8) didn’t deserve all 14 kids, but only a couple actually tried to challenge her parental fitness. So do not twist words around. Besides, the only thing that warrants “discrimination” is chose behavior. If a person is holding a cigarette, they are not welcome in my hypothetical store. There is a sign, “No Smoking.” But if they choose to put down the cigarette, they have earned the right to enter my store. People say and do certain things because they want discrimination or they would make sure beyond all measure to never to whatever. If wearing a green shirt would cause others to discriminate against me, I wouldn’t wear one. Simple. So why not avoid certain sexual behaviors if it causes others to “hate” you, and instead work on eliminating the internal need for such behaviors?

      • GallusMag Says:

        Sorry Don- literally didn’t read these.

      • Ashland Avenue Says:

        BLOCK OF TEXT BLOCK OF TEXT BLOCK OF TEXT BLOCK OF TEXT BLOCK OF TEXT BLOCK OF TEXT BLOCK OF TEXT BLOCK OF TEXT BLOCK OF TEXT BLOCK OF TEXT to infinity and BEYOND!!

      • Teal Deer Says:

        You view homosexuality as a “chosen behavior”, yet don’t also see “TSism” as a choice? How do you figure that?

        Even amongst animals in the wild, homosexual behavior is observed. Not sure I’ve heard of other creatures in nature cutting off their schnuts and trying to mimic the behavior of the other gender.

        BTW, do you get a dollar for every word you type? If you want your words read and voice heard when you’re outside your own blog, you might consider paring down your posts to avoid tl;dr.

  4. Ave Says:

    “What makes me female was inborn and in the physical brain ever since the 5th week of gestation, while transgender males in drag can never be female. A TS woman is born with a female brain and was supposed to be born with female parts. A TG man in drag is a man born with a healthy male brain and male neurology who somehow begins to hate his masculinity.”
    and yet there isn’t a single physical test that can prove any of these claims.
    i’ve seen it tons of times with transsexuals on facebook. they post very homophobic language about others sometimes such as “so-and-so’s just a fag in a dress” (ironic)., they say that another transsexual is a man unlike them (supposedly) because that trans isn’t beautiful enough….and why’s that? because they think having a conventionally feminine appearance/aesthetic is ‘proof’ of a physical condition. but if they really believed in the whole inner physical condition thing, they’d accept even the most masculine mtf as a woman. they don’t though, so it shows it’s just a beauty/plastic surgery cult/status club.

    • EqualRightsAndProtection Says:

      Yeah. Science. You know, that stuff that you sit around and come up with a ‘what if?….’ and then actually set up tests called ‘experiments’ to check your wild-ass theory. And once you have a conclusion, it doesn’t become ‘fact’ until many other people have duplicated your results.

      That stuff.

      • sylvie Says:

        EqualRightsAndProtection Says:
        Yeah. Science.

        Zomg, no way :-o Science?! Are you shitting me?

        Will the TS Laydee Brain (TM) be able to handle this “science” that you speak of?

    • Adrian Says:

      Because people who don’t pass are a threat to them. It’s the ultimate “No True Scotsman” argument, wearing a skirt instead of a kilt…

  5. Guls Says:

    The last comment got me the most: ‘I don’t ramble…’ Ha! I can ramble for England but I’ve got nothing on this guy. Anyways, and perhaps naively I bit – cos, as I say in the following, I’m genuinely interested – so I posted the following:

    ‘Hi, I’m Andy, interesting blog you have here, Donna.

    In the spirit of ‘full disclosure’ that seems to be a popular prerequisite for interaction on purportedly civilized social media these days, I’ll tell you that I’m a straight, white man from the UK and I arrived here via a link on the GenderTrender website. I would describe myself as an ‘aspiring feminist’ (with plenty to learn and a ways to go) and arrived at that site – amongst others – with the intention of furthering my personal education in matters of gender and sexuality.

    What I like about GallusMag and her site – based on my limited experience – is that it seems to have a clear ‘internal logic’ for want of a better term – I feel no sense that the site is ‘anti men’ (in spite of occasional “I hate men” type comments, which I don’t take personally) or ‘anti trans’ or anti anything/anyone: as long as viewpoints are expressed articulately, knowledgably and without hostility they seem to be welcome. By comparison, your thoughts seem disordered, hostile (to women, particularly, also gays/lesbians) and proscriptive – but more on that later. Lets start with some positives…

    As a guy who’s worked for the last decade in the Gay/Queer community, I totally agree that appending a T onto the LBG is a bad fit.

    I agree that, despite appearances to the contrary, you and other TSs and also TGs are ‘mainstream’ – like myself, under your definition.

    Where I disagree – and to give fair warning, I have more points of disagreement than agreement – is that anybody NEEDS a gender dichotomy, a ‘mainstream’ of any kind in order to function. We’re not animals, we have choices. I’ve spent 39 years growing up accustomed to gender dichotomy, and at least a half of that time mostly unaware of the full extent of it – such is the privilege of being male: but I can envisage a world without it, and feel confident that strong persons of any ‘gender’ could adapt to such an environment. It’s a bit of a Utopian ideal but one worthy of our consideration, something to work towards.

    Why would you fight for the rights of conservative Christians – guys who would and do discriminate against a person in your position? Conservative Christians/Jews/Muslims, even conservative Atheists are the scourge of a tolerant, loving, democratic and civilized society from where I stand.Under their value system you’ll never be accepted.

    ‘I’ve seen LGBTs hatefully attack Conservatives, Christians, pro-lifers, Jews, obese persons, people who pray, etc., and they claim to be the “tolerant” ones’ There’s your problem right there – an inability to discern when criticism is warranted and when not. LGB(T)s and women have good reason to criticise conservatives, Christians, pro-lifers and Jews because their ‘values’ hurt them. Anyone can be cruel and judgemental towards obesity – that and anorexia both result from society being unnecessarily proscriptive with regards to ‘acceptable’ bodies but theres a big difference between criticism and cruelty; tolerance and acceptance. I had an ex-girlfriend who was obese – kind, beautiful and sexy, mind – and the way she treated herself with food pained me, much as the way I treated myself with alcohol pained her – and we told each other so, finding common ground along the way.

    At the end of the day, criticism and argument don’t have to taken as wholly negative, if at all: they can be catalysts for introspection and dialogue.

    Feminists – such as those who frequent GenderTrender – are totally open to accepting you, provided your aspirations aren’t hurting women (by which I mean WBW) or treading on their toes. When you make statements like ‘The majority of women who have the problem of disrespecting TS women and misgendering them are lesbians, adulteresses, or are engaged in other unpopular living arrangements’ you’re being disrespectful to women in the same way that MBM have been for centuries – a hostile reaction isn’t hate speech – how much do I hate this annoying and innaccurate modern trend of labelling all disagreement/criticism as ‘hate speech’/'bullying’? – it’s perfectly understandable. And I’m conscious I could be falling into the same trap by presuming to speak for others – my comments draw on both many years of reading feminist writing and conversations with female friends, colleagues and family. (If I’m guilty I’m open to being called out). This is something you do repeatedly in the above post.

    You say there’s a distinction to be made between ‘true’ TSs and TGs and those with HBS – even if I accept this to be the case, how can I, as an ‘outsider’ tell the difference? How can doctors? Intersex I understand (the brother of a former girlfriend of mine was born with Adrenogenital Hypoplasia, as it happens) but I’m not sold on HBS as a variant of intersex – I’ve read Brainsex and whilst it provided an interesting diversion it lacked the intellectual rigour and passion of most ‘true feminist’ writing I’ve encountered.

    Does it matter whether homosexuality is a condition of birth, a learned response or a free choice? I’ve heard gay friends – and others – espouse all these viewpoints, and others. Intrinsically it harms no-one – except for the patriarchal agenda. In a civilized, democratic society it shouldn’t make any difference. Why are you so keen to dissociate yourself from them, as well as ‘TGs’, Feminists etc Different but equal doesn’t work – we have centuries of conflict to attest to this.

    Hell, I could go on, but I think I’m about done for now. I’m genuinely interested in your response, provided you keep it civil.

    Take care,

    Andy.’

    Hope I don’t live to regret it, but what’s the internet for, eh? If I get traffic from nutters I don’t have to approve it, do I.

    Thanks once more for an inspiring post,

    Andy.

    • sylvie Says:

      Guls Says:
      By comparison, your thoughts seem disordered, hostile (to women, particularly, also gays/lesbians) and proscriptive

      Yes. Perhaps another reason to question the “meant to be female” logic. Synthetic hormones are known to cause hostility and disordered thinking. Perhaps those hormones are not a good fit for the existing chemistry…

  6. luckynkl Says:

    Is this a sequel to One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest?

  7. sylvie Says:

    Purplespeaks says:
    “A TS woman is born with a female brain and was supposed to be born with female parts.”

    According to who? If it was supposed to be, surely it would be? Fucking hell.

    PS’s previous attacks on GM’s logic, as well as PS’s attacks on GM highlighting PS’s use of refuted studies to back claims is laughable. It’s just more of the same illogical, circular arguments that are used every time (just to name two).

    Provides support for the argument that synthetic hormones are bad for you (they make you say stupid shit).

  8. Marie-France Lesage Says:

    I didn’t read a word of it and I don’t feel guilty about it! ;0P

  9. Nobody Special Says:

    Looks like Donna made his blog private. I guess he didn’t expect anyone to actually READ it! Bwaaaahahahaha!

    • sylvie Says:

      I have html and PDF extracts of May – Dec if anyone actually wants to read it. The web site was still open on my computer so I saved it just for yous :-D Merry Christmas!

      • Donna Reiser Says:

        Which is a violation of the policies of the blog and international copyright law. Besides, lots of content has changed since then, so you don’t have a true or accurate record of the blog. The articles there are living documents and are regularly edited to more accurately reflect the current social climate and the standardized views of the TS-Specific and TS & Mainstream communities. Would you like doctors operating on you based on a medical journal and AMA standards from 3 years ago when there is much more state of the art treatment now?

        In fact, after pulling it, I updated many of the articles, removed ones that didn’t reflect the image of the TS & Mainstream Community I wanted to portray, tried to make the style less argumentative, and even split some articles. Some thought it was “rambling” in places because they didn’t see what the narrow audience I was rebutting had said. I removed all references to those third parties and things said specifically to them. I deliberately word things to whatever specific audience I am trying to reach. If someone is a radical feminist, sexually saturated person, LGBT, or TG, then nothing I say will make sense to them. I sometimes try to make things sound more “bigoted” than they are if I want to smoke out TGs and other LGBTs, since I speak in a style that only offends them. The ones that stay silent and read the message under the message are the intended audience.

    • Donna Reiser Says:

      Yes, Donna made her blog private. She got tired of her blog being misused by people who are not a part of the 90% who are not LGBT. Women born with TSism are a part of that 90%, while men who choose TGism and to masquerade as women are part of the 10% who are destroying America. Everything I said over there was to the Mainstream, non-LGBT community (including those born with TSism), and not to LGBTs, TGs, nor to most modern feminists. This girl got tired of being accused of being other posters who shared the same WP account (I am the 3rd to take possession of the ID and cannot unlink joined connections to 3rd party sites, which some of the other entities still apparently use). I haven’t left the web entirely.

      When/if I start a new blog, I won’t include any discussion about anyone here and would appreciate the same courtesy. I’d like to see all entries about me deleted here, and all male pronouns used against me as weapons deleted too. It is correct to refer to TS women by female pronouns and non-op TG “women” by male pronouns. Calling TS women male pronouns is a type of rape and ignores their true identity. Likewise, calling TG “women” female pronouns is to disrespect and socially rape every woman, TS or not (since TS women and former TS women are a part of the 90%, like it or not). Anyway, I am on the side of every woman here. Meanwhile, Zagria hates you with the same brush with which they hate me. The TG borg are co-opting the rights of ALL women, TS or not. It is funny that TSs are called the separatists when they ally with the 90% (even if they must take lots of friendly fire), and the 10% are calling members of the 90% the separatists!

      • moss Says:

        God you’re nuts dude…
        (oops, I just ‘raped’ you!)

      • Nobody Special Says:

        OMG, give it a break Donald!

      • GallusMag Says:

        I didn’t even read them. He’s just over here talking to himself.

        Don- I don’t have time to read your rants. I doubt anyone else will either.

      • michelle Says:

        How funny that he comes back to bitch, which in turn resurrects that which he wants to simply go away…obviously he declines to take the simple guidance of just shutting the fuck up if he wants to maintain and mainstream.

        But I see the victim mentality is strong with that one as he continues to appropriate victim status from women who actually ARE raped and would take grievous offense at Don’s attempt to equate words with an act of actual violence against women.

        Also love the fact that they fail to grasp fair use doctrine as it applies to copyright law. Screencaps that are properly attributed in a not-for-profit setting are not going to be held anywhere to be a violation of copyright even in those instances where legitimate copyright existed. Making something private after the fact does not alter the fact that it was once in the public domain nor does the fact that it was later altered change the content that was captured in its original form. Which brings everything back to the most basic of essence which is that GM again has a male trying to establish dominion over that which the neutered male cannot control…

  10. sylvie Says:

    Donna Reiser Says:
    Accusing someone of “rambling” is like accusing them of pedophilia.”

    Wow. That’s some Oarsome correlation right there.

    FYI:

    “When we say intelligence, we are usually referring to a persons ability to think rationally, using logic.”

    Donna Reiser Says:
    If you… learn to be more intellectual to where you don’t need sex…
    I am proudly asexual and have always lacked such needs.”

    Re: “have always lacked such needs” – you could probably fix that with some zinc, arginine, and other dietary changes. I’m picking you’re probably malnourished.

  11. mizknowitall Says:

    I have less than zero respect for the whole HBS faction! While I do not agree with the TG often, if ever, they for once have it right, at least when it comes to the HBS’rs. The HBS’rs really are a hate group and one which is based, not on the idea of a separation between TS and TG as they say. Rather their whole shtick is based on a rabid homophobia, anti-feminist stance that is both repugnant and like it or not, quintessentially male! Purple? I got news for you Hon! There does come a point where if you keep on talking, you only convince the listener that you are indeed the fool they thought you were… A point which I am afraid you have long since passed!
    MKIA

  12. Teal Deer Says:

    “Accusing someone of “rambling” is like accusing them of pedophilia.”

    Oh, I do beg your pardon… I bow to your superior logic. Oh, no, wait. That was just a head-desk. My mistake.

  13. Ann-Marie Says:

    Hi there, stumbled across this blog and it’s so interesting but I’m finding it difficult to interpret some of the abbreviations, could someone please direct me to a guide if one exists? Also, what is the definition of ” cisgendered” , and of mainstream the way it is used here?
    A quick observation… Someone mentioned not wearing a green shirt if wearing them causes you to be the victim of discrimination. Well my question for you is, what if green is your absolute favorite color? Would you still let someone else control your ability to enjoy wearing it?

    Thanks in advance for any replies :)


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