Autogynephilia Survey – M2T Under 30
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January 29, 2013 at 1:55 am
Something something brain sex.
How did you come across this? Did you run it, yourself? I would love to hear more about this.
February 5, 2013 at 7:46 pm
Yes, autogynephilia (or “crossdreaming”) is essentially something sexual, but the problem is it’s capacity to genuinely become much more than such in individuals. Such as that of severe gender-dysphoria with resolution in transition. Not inherently a “perversion”, yet not inherently illegitimating transition.
January 29, 2013 at 3:26 am
I think the percentage of heterosexual male “trans woman” pretendbians with autogynephilia is more like 98%.
January 29, 2013 at 3:27 am
Interesting.
It’s important to remember that peoples’ self-reports are not always accurate. For various reasons, conscious and unconscious, people almost as a rule understate or mis-state the degree of their sexual interest in certain topics. This is particularly true if those sexual interests are problematic in some way, and autogynephilia certainly is problematic to a large subset of the autogynephilic population.
Bailey notwithstanding, my guess is that >90% of m2t are autogynephiles. If you can get half of them to own up to it, you’re doing very well.
January 29, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Yeah, I’m also iffy about self reporting. I don’t know whether or not they are telling the truth, but if I were asked about my sex life I would instinctively lie.
I was reading about the statistics on recidivism rate for sexual offenders. It was really difficult to discern the true rates. The researchers had to rely on whether or not they’d been arrested again (or if they might have been offending prior to capture) and self reporting about victims. Needless to say, difficult to pinpoint.
Even with serial killers you can often get 50-100 victims because they just don’t know. Killers will over and under exaggerate their victims. (John Wayne Gacy springs to mind)
Even I bullshit about stuff.
PARENTS/FRIENDS: “How’s uni?” “Fine” (stressing hard about it)
DOCTOR: “Do you smoke?” “No” (I smoke like a chimney in winter)
January 31, 2013 at 8:16 pm
I agree it is impossible to rely on the self-reporting of a sexuality that is completely taboo to discuss openly EVEN IN A COMMUNITY SET UP TO “LIBERATE” that sexuality.
What is clear is that the vast majority of “transgender” are men whose (for lack of a better word) SEXUAL ORIENTATION is Autogynephilia.
Autogynephila is the GIANT elephant in the room of the transgender movement. We often hear the well-worn trope of “gender identity is unrelated to sexual orientation” repeated as a mantra. But that simply is not true, is it?
For the large majority of transgender, from crossdressers to post operative transsexuals, the attempt to embody or impersonate the female “object” IS A SEXUAL ACT.
Not only is trans a sexual act for most males, but it is one that requires (consentually or not) the public gaze (much like a subway flasher) for gratification.
February 1, 2013 at 1:08 am
Uhm, okay I am trying to parse this–autogynaphilia I assume (looking at the parts of the word) someone who becomes sexually aroused by themselves as a woman–sounds like a fetish. Idenity assumes that the attraction is based outward. As an idenity this is based only on the self. The “idenitity” is the turn on, the compulsion. Narscissim as a fetish, hence all the rage.
February 1, 2013 at 5:34 am
EXACTLY. How many of them publish “boudoir” photos of themselves on-line in their full regalia? It’s something approaching 100%.
I don’t personally know of any women posting that crap. I’m not saying they don’t exist, but not one woman I know personally (extended family, friends, former school girlfriends, current and former co-workers, etc.) who is posting that highly artificial, vamping, strike-a-pose “boudoir” crap on her facebook or tumblr or linkedin or whatever.
Meanwhile, I can find those kinds of “look at me, look at me, aren’t I really a sexy girl?!” photos on almost every facebook or blog or YouTube for a “trans woman”.
It’s not even hidden or stealth autogynephilia. It’s freaking Autogynephilia On Parade — but we’re supposed to pretend that we don’t notice them donning lingerie and rubbing themselves for the camera like cats in heat?
And if we point out this very odd and creepazoidal behavior, their go-to defense is always, “You’re just jealous because I’m sexier and A Better Woman Than You.”
Yich. Whatever dudes, but just so we’re clear: you look like a guy in lingerie, dumb hair and bad make-up getting himself off by posing and fantasizing about people looking at him and being fooled into thinking he’s a really sexy woman — which we aren’t — because you’re not.
February 1, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Maire Francis,
Oh the reality is very disturbing ick ick ick, some guy jerking off in a Target dress. But what is scary is that the pathology has been reframed and has insidiously been swallowed hook line and sinker by the “average college educated” white women—PC.
IMHO, LBG—should jettison these guys out the door. But that will not happen. The narrative that is put out has to discredited. And women, the soccer mom, the la league women need to realize that their rights, their privacy, are being taken away. They need to know that “transphobia” does not exist and calling this out is not being a bigot. This runs on peoples’ guilt and their fear of being shamed as a bigot—really powerful hooks in today’s culture especially for women.
The science stuff needs to be more out and not the propaganda: “it is a birth defect we have a women’s brain trapped in a male body” has to shown as in fact part of the pathology, like used car salesmen they have manipulated the professionals that surround it (or ones personally invested themselves) who are not getting any poorer from this. I am trying to locate women’s blogs—the mommy blogs. If I can figure out how to make a PDF and can get one done I see a kind of document that address all of this and lets women know that we will not have any legal identity or protection—because of “gender”
It seems to me that much of the movement is like collective borderline, histrionic and narcissistic personality disorder. The APA et al have to come out and say this is wacko and they will not as long as the whole LBG(T) is behind this. My instincts tell me that only thing people fear more than being shamed into proving they are “open minded” is being “had” duped and taken. And this could be a hook if done very tactfully. I am sorry I do not want to share a hospital room with one of these men—oh no I don’t. Nor do I want to see every academic, and creative grant go to these men because they are “women.” I hope everyone realizes that they’re not a small amount of money not going to women.
January 31, 2013 at 8:25 pm
Re: Bailey, Blanchard, Lawrence. According to their research Autogynephilia is predominately a heterosexual “orientation”. In other words their data shows that homosexual male trans are in large part not autogynephllic. It is interesting that if their data is true, around 25-30% of male trans would NOT be autogynephilic. This survey shows approximately that same ratio of self-reported “non-autogynephillic”. I would have liked to see sexual orientation data included in this survey. In fact, in light of all the scientific research it is a bizarre (presumably intentional) lapse for any discussion of, or survey of autogynephilia to disinclude sexual orientation data.
January 29, 2013 at 3:41 am
Good grief, this is all so sad. it’s hard to deal with. These men are mentally ill. It’s a sexual perversion. But I don’t feel at all angry at them. Not at all. I feel so very sad for them. I hope they can get along in the world, but have to insist that it is not at the expense of women’s liberation, which involves an incomparably larger group of oppressed people.
January 29, 2013 at 5:29 pm
I share your feelings about all of this; it’s just sad.
January 29, 2013 at 5:44 pm
Agreed, it is sad. Agreed, they are to be pitied. But we definitely should (and do) get angry as these sick people force their illness down our collective throats, and as you mentioned, as they cut away at the gains of the women’s movement.
For no other delusion is it considered appropriate therapy to pander to the delusion. Should we have to address every imaginary Napoleon as “L’Empereur”?
February 10, 2013 at 6:30 pm
I am forced to refer to you, repeatedly, as El Idiot… which isn’t fun either.
February 1, 2013 at 6:17 pm
“But I don’t feel at all angry at them. Not at all”.
Why didn’t you just write your usual screed: *ahem* “BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MENZZZ”.
*eyeroll*
January 29, 2013 at 4:01 am
If the patriarchy was going to construct a group which would be most likely to destabilize women’s liberation, they could not have done better. Fcm says to look backwards from the result. I have to ask myself, who is encouraging this? Who is benefited by these sad ill people being talked about as women rather than mentally ill handicapped men under federal disability acts? Who benefits from calling “women” a category that has to include parodies of women?
When this category can include any man who for whatever reason announces he’s decided to pretend to be a woman today, what does this mean for feminist theory, the basis of which is a clear category of historically, culturally, politically oppressed people with XX chromosomes? Can anybody be a Native American because they feel like one? If they pretend to be one, and get treated like one, have they magically become one? Why does this society encourage this sad delusion? If I were trans I would ask myself who is using me and hurting me and stigmatizing me. It is not radfems. We are not the hurters and damagers. We don’t collaborate with the delusions by committing crimes like performing mutilating surgery on well, if delusory, people.
What would Native activists make of a group of non-Natives who announced they feel Native and therefore are to be considered Native in every respect from now on?
How sad for them and how difficult for us as we have to waste so much gynergy on confronting such delusory theories. We need to fight the oppressors, and this issue I feel is a derailment of monumental proportions. Trans folks need to get to work getting their conditions covered under federal disability acts. I and I believe many radfems will support them in getting the help they need.
January 29, 2013 at 5:02 am
The odd thing is that from a lot of perspectives, native identity has had to be protected by The Law of the Land in a way that offends most liberals. For example, you can’t sell Indian Art without possessing certain credentials as a craftsperson. This pisses off a lot of academic types who think that like gender, Native identity is something you can just feel in your bones.
Ward Churchill is your typical white patriarch (married 4x, once to an indigenous woman half his age, none of his power or education, and when she killed herself, it was all The White Man’s fault) but he’s actually accepted by a lot of Black writers who have their own agenda in fighting against “blood quanta” (something they blow out of proportion, imo, compared to how it’s used in the real world; i.e., it mostly isn’t), because certain black folks want tribal inclusion based on former historic association. It’s not just about casino cash.
If you’ve ever used Match.com or whatever, 75% of black people claim native ancestry (a lot of reasons for this) and 40% of white people (makes us more interesting), while all the people you’d see and peg as being indigenous identify as Canadian. /that was a joke, but also true
January 29, 2013 at 5:57 am
Or all the countries where your religion is emblazoned on your government credentials and that actually controls certain spaces you’re allowed into / will be thrown out of. And of course, religion has ethnic connotations so your religion often accounts for more than what you feelzyweelzy about your imaginary friend/s, too. Even if your card says hindu, for the sake of example, if you look or talk wrong, you’re going to be booted out until you can get things sorted with an official and come back with an escort.
This of course offends most of us westerners (even though most of those rules are recent and were created by brittish colonialists on behalf of what minority seemed to serve their interests the best) since we really only just allow Mormons to get away with that kind of exclusionary shit. Having private stuff on cards just feels like an invasion of privacy.
But all of this just shows how fucked up it is that gender of all things is something we think should be up in the air and ungovernable (until you get your new driver’s license, then you gotta shove it in as many noses as you can).
January 29, 2013 at 9:13 am
Sorry, I’m normally not one to serial post, but thought Gallus might want to check this one out:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/stacylambe/11-year-old-transgender-girl-responds-to-obamas-i
I love the argument in the comments that “why do kids of libbery liberal progressive do-gooder parents still have kids with gender dysphoria if this was a social thing and not a biological thing?”
I dunno, maybe because these people
breedersaren’t as fucking smart as they think they are?January 29, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Re: Buzzfeed link.
I think I love that Egan Penney. I screencapped their stuff.
I hate to sound all negative and shit but what 11 year old has a clear idea of the world?
When I was 11 I wanted to be a vet, and also a princess, and Leia from Star Wars, and Storm from X-Men, and Angelina Ballerina.
I used to act out those characters playing with my siblings. I also believed my Baby Born™ was actually my baby and that my dolls had feelings.
I’m not sayings kids are stupid, just not worldly. I felt like I understood the whole world and all the social dynamics when I was 20. 3 years later and I realise I didn’t know anything about it.
January 29, 2013 at 5:52 pm
@anon male that’s insane. Where *are* the child services!
January 30, 2013 at 12:35 am
They have been “Politically corrected”.
January 30, 2013 at 12:20 am
@Beth – I hear you about 11-year-olds being too young to have any idea what they’re signing up for. I clearly recall that when I was 12, other girls had me convinced that I could get pregnant by swimming too near a man in a public swimming pool and we all refused to get in the water that summer. Another kid I knew at the time had an older sister who told us that you could douche with a bottle of Coca-Cola to prevent pregnancy. I had no idea what “douche” meant, exactly, but it sounded convincing to me.
At 11, I still believed a bit in Santa Claus (trying to stay awake and listen for the reindeer’s feet on the roof, even though I pretended to NOT believe in Santa in order to avoid teasing by my older siblings.) I also longed to be a fairy so small, perfect and magical that I could live inside a flower. My dolls feelings were still very real to me; if my bratty brother punched one of my dolls, I’d sob uncontrollably and be angry with him for hours.
I could go on and on…
Kids believe all kinds of crazy stuff — their minds are creative, flexible, (let’s face it) gullible and inexperienced. It takes time to learn everything that adults are supposed to know, such as “males are male and females are female.”
People do these kids NO service by playing along with, enabling or even growing their delusions of gender.
January 30, 2013 at 3:11 am
11 is young but it’s not that young, considering how grown up females are supposed to be at all ages these days. I could be wrong, but the hand written state of the letter set off my WTF radar.
When I was 11, if I were writing to the president (“Dear Mr. Reagan, you can go…”), I’d have typed it, even if it meant dealing with ribbon ink and whiteout. I can’t help but feel that an 11 year old writing a letter out like a 7 year old isn’t part of the cutesifying feminization process enforced by the parents. Females have to grow up, males get a second childhood (how many grown mtfs write without capital letters online to look more compact and less serious? tons).
11 is young (but look at what the media does with 13 year old girls), at the age when you might still think that writing to the prez is a useful endeavor (even though the letter was really to the parents because why have a trans kid if you can’t make hir famous?), it’s also at the age where you’d want to do it RIGHT.
That’s all presuming this isn’t bullshit from the ground up and not engineered by some think tank.
January 31, 2013 at 3:21 pm
That’s an interesting point Anon Male,
Writing a letter by hand does seem overly ‘cutesy’. I used to write letters too, my parents put them on the fridge or kept them to embarrass me later (letters to my imaginary friend “The Fat Controller”)
Putting the letter on the internet reminds me of all those parents on Facebook who put up posts of their kids saying “1 million likes and I get to go to Disneyland”. It’s narcissistic.
What purpose is there if not to get gratification?
I’m still stuck on being trans at 11 (and some are younger), what the fuck?
It terrifies me that people think children are capable of making life altering decisions. I also fear crap like this will energize paedophiles. “They can consent to SRS so they can consent to sex”.
January 30, 2013 at 3:20 am
whatever you think of it, there’s an interesting video by Richard Dawson(something like that) called ‘Religion is a Virus’ and he shows in the video on Youtube how children can so easily be indoctrinated into a religion, especially a culty or fundamentalist one, because they haven’t yet developed their powers of critical thinking. they have wonderful, creative imaginations, but these can be controlled by ideologies of the parents/religious leaders or even certain political ideologies. If the parents are convinced their child must be trans because she or he isn’t fitting into state and socially and religiously sanctioned ‘gender roles’ then they’ll be pressured into any type of behavior towards these kids. It wasn’t too long ago that Butch lesbians were put into mental institutions by their parents for not ‘gender conforming’. I know for myself my parents went through ALOT of conniptions with me because I was not feminine and hardcore tomboy, rejecting dolls at age 7, girls clothes at age 9, and refusing to ever consider marriage or procreation at age 12. How did I know these things? I RESISTED feminization….and the less powerful ‘female role’ as I saw modeled with my mother and in the culture. And they did do things and sent me to people to try to change me. Of course none of it worked…
Thank goodness they didn’t have access to sex changing doctors, otherwise I would have REALLY been damaged. So grateful for coming out as a Dyke and meeting other Butches, and finding out who I really was and that I COULD be powerful as a Female, oh, and I was always hardcore Feminist, ever since 9 years old, and much more so once I got radicalized on campus and politically active once I came out at the tender age of 21!
-FeistyAmazon
January 30, 2013 at 3:22 am
No, I’m not an atheist..but I like what he says about the indoctrination of children. But it can be applied to political movements too.
January 30, 2013 at 4:41 pm
People who use their kids to engage in political status-jockeying are the pits of the world.
Anon Male: That’s all presuming this isn’t bullshit from the ground up and not engineered by some think tank.
I thought the same thing.
February 3, 2013 at 5:07 pm
My reply is simple, does it matter? The only reason anyone would take this quiz and reply is because they feel threatened. TG people that feel not threat have no idea what AGP even is? Anyways one thing Blanchard did point out is true transsexuals do not exist regardless of sexual orientation. That is the only real fact people care about. No. Transsexuals do not exist, that is why a large gay man never becomes trans and most boys who think there girls never go on to become transsexual, most boys who think there girls grow up and become large, most men are large.
February 4, 2013 at 12:50 pm
Your post made very little sense.
Trolling?
Regardless, trans do exist. I don’t think anyone here disputed that. They are not female/women…they are delusional males. I do not pander to the delusions of anyone.
You want to be a male and wear dresses, get your nails done or get breast implants that’s fine. I’m not going to stop you. But you’re still male. Female/woman aren’t things you can dress up as or mimic. You either are or you aren’t, biology doesn’t lie.
February 4, 2013 at 7:50 pm
Trolling? I’m an 18 year client of CAMH and I know Ray Blanchard personally, I don’t troll. I’m trans gendered and I never once told anyone I was a woman/penguin what ever in a mans body, anyone who would take the term “I’m a woman trapped in a mans body” literally needs a reality check, possibly? In fact, no they don’t. Men who think there female do exist, but, there is no such thing as a transsexual. There are inter-sexed people then there is everyone else.
Gay men who transition are not transsexual if they were they would like females as well. How can you be “transsexual” but ONLY like men? A true “transsexual” by common logic would be a trans gendered bi-sexual person.
Men have zero WM (white matter) in frontal cortex, but woman have 85% of there total WM in this exact area. You have gay men who lie and deceive people and you also have bi-sexual men who lie and deceive people, there is zero biological evidence a true transsexual exists at all.
Sure, a gay transsexual mind may appear slightly dimophiric but what did there brain look like at age 6? Brain plasticity easily accounts for the appearance of a dimophoric mind. MRI is so accoutre now a MRI technician can tell after one week who plays violent video games VS who didn’t. As well MRI was also used to prove the human mind can not express empathy and analyze simultaneously. So, to employee ethics one must analyze the fore mentioned report, then soon afterwards they post a comment. However its obvious that when you post a comment your brain is still in analyzation mode, hence very few comments here illustrate empathy.
Next time you feel compelled to call someone a troller, what ever that is, a practice in fishing I thought, maybe hold your tongue?
My post made very little sense because the entire article made very little sense? Who searches out an ethicist to see if its ok to transition? Most TG people do not even know what AGP is? Furthermore Ray Blanchard broke some serious Canadian rules of research in the late 80s and early 90s and so did his mentor Kurt Freud who personally told me in 95 to never merry.
My lawyers are reviewing all this history. Camh has been publishing articles concerning Camh patients without authority. Camh where AGP originated has a monopoly on treating TG people in Ontario, that means gaining meaningful consent to be research subjects its virtually impossible.
Anyhow I’m busy have a pleasant day.
February 6, 2013 at 2:10 am
@Jenna
Your sentence structure is all over the place. It’s difficult to understand and I have no idea exactly what point you’re trying to get across.
Brain sex (men have x, women have y…I have y therefore I am a woman) has been so debunked it is laughable. There is no scientific evidence for it. It has been discussed widely here and I’d post a link but I won’t bother.
I feel like I’m repeating myself over and over with you people. Do some reading! It should not be up to us to constantly spoon feed knowledge to you. You are a man. Deal with it.
February 6, 2013 at 3:00 am
He is insane.
February 21, 2013 at 12:59 am
How much do ya wanna bet Jenna’s “lawyers” are named Mr. Whiskers and Professor McFluffypants?
February 4, 2013 at 4:56 pm
FYI http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/magazine/should-i-become-a-woman-and-risk-causing-pain-to-my-wife-and-children.html?_r=0
February 4, 2013 at 8:03 pm
By the way, you may note I did not use the word F??c in my reply, you did, as well I’m not obsessed I’m not the one commenting on everyone’s reviews you are. I am not narcissistic and demanding people see it my way, that does seem to be your game though.
February 5, 2013 at 1:52 am
Motherhood you are obviously the owner of the web page. You are obviously not TG friendly. James Cantor of CAMH is obviously in shit for posting a link to this crap on Twitter, and under oath I bet I can get him to tell us who motherhood is?
February 6, 2013 at 12:24 am
Jenna,
I am not the owner of this page. A woman called Gallus Mag is. If you read between the lines you might infer that she is gay, a lesbian but that was just my take and I could be wrong. I in fact have no web page, no twitter and use a crank style can opener. But I am flattered that you think I am capable of putting together something as impressive as “Gender Trender.” You are unhinged. Wrap your mind around this-I am a housewife in Middle America–hence the name motherhood. My husband deposits sperm and I bring forth babies–who are then assigned a gender and I then nurse them (oh god they nurse, 2-3 years). Feel free to contact James Cantor, he does not know me and I do not know him. I would sober up before the call though.
As from me not being TG friendly. I am quite friendly on the PTA, and all sorts of other organizations. I will say I am not a feminist and have no connections to any groups. I just fell into this when I saw another mother threatened by some big strapping TG. So I put on my boots and waded in because women need protection from men—period. And TG men present a clear danger to women. Call in your lawyers, call the Canadian Mounted Police. Good god I can hear it now.
February 6, 2013 at 3:01 am
LOL a fuckin nutter he is.
February 6, 2013 at 3:04 am
Also LMAO crank style can opener. If you own an electric can opener and open less than six cans an hour you are an idiot with too much money and counter space.
February 6, 2013 at 3:28 am
GM, did you ever read this:
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10508-007-9301-1
very interesting–scary. The nutty person has the most vile hate spewing on a blog or something about the writer. Who is a very good writer and had very solid academic backround.
February 5, 2013 at 6:13 pm
et al… “Historonic” only someone who is a researcher and majors in history would use such language? Alice Dregder fits that exact profile. Even most professionals would never use the word historonic, and MH is the only one with a picture of a real person beside there user name, obviously MH controls this web page. And by the way, its too late to remove this blog. Your busted.
February 5, 2013 at 9:49 pm
Hey Jenna you psycho: I suggest you leave me and my blog alone sir. And that commenter has nothing to do with my blog you big fucking weirdo.
February 6, 2013 at 12:30 am
Jenna,
The picture next to my name is the writer Carson McCullers. She wrote Ballad of the Sad Cafe and The Heart is a Lonely Hunter.
February 11, 2013 at 12:35 am
glad to see this survey. It chimes with professional research.
btw there’s a recent survey from Scotland showing that nearly 1 in 5 self-identified transgenders have a ‘learning impairment or intellectual disability or ‘neurodiversity’.
http://www.scottishtrans.org/Uploads/Resources/trans_mh_study.pdf
That’s code for autistic spectrum, obviously. You guys may be interested to know that a recent Dutch study found that children who came to Gender clinics in the Netherlands were more likely than the average kid to be on the autistic spectrum. The NHS in the UK is also currently looking into this.
I’ve been trying to do the maths and work out if the autogynephilic population is more likely to be on the autistic spectrum, or if males on the autistic spectrum are more likely to develop autogynephilia.
It makes sense that transgenders are much more likely than the rest of the population to have a ‘learning impairment’! Makes you
shudder about adult transgenders having access to impressionable children, and about transgender males as parents.
February 16, 2013 at 4:15 pm
Doesn’t surprise me at all they’re more likely to be on the autistic spectrum. After all autism manifests itself as the inability to grab subtile social cues (subconsciously), so also most rules about gender. Later on autistics try to consciously copy others to fit in, but first of all the rules of course make no sense when you consciously think about them; second, you still not have really incorporated them so it feels awkward; and furthermore, you don’t actually realize 99% of other people are, contrary to you, NOT consciously doing all these things, so you don’t grasp this origin of your discomfort. This also leads to autistics having bizarre ideas about their own and other’s sex since its hard for them to see through the acts. Personally up to this day I still often wonder if someone behaves a certain way because of conscious gender compliance or because of internalized gender compliance.
Note that autism therapy doesn’t deal with this very predictable (gender) identity crisis at all, afaik they just learn you how to act nice so as to not disturb the neurotypicals: be smooth, social and shut up. So, many young autistics have serious identity issues. Then the idea of being transgender is predictable seeing today’s media – and likely to be supported because it couldn’t possibly be that gender is a social construct and that neurotypicals are so sheep-like. (Note that sociopaths are more proud and self-aware, on a well-known sociopath blog you can see comments like “gender is such bullshit” and “sexual orientation is socially constructed”.)
Now, any social discomfort is likely to outlet itself is some sexual way (not necessarily – but it’s the easiest), which could explain the autogynephiles. Maybe.
But I would guess autism would also explain F2Ts, since the natural, default autistic behaviour of most humans in middle-class situations is what is currently coded as belonging to the male gender. This is like lesbian F2Ts, switching gender to become more able to be yourself. It won’t relieve them but can help make life feel slightly easier as long as you don’t think too much.
When it comes to non-autogynephilic M2T’s, autistic males could have become fond of the performing they are forced to do anyway, and choose the feminine performance role – become M2T. Which would be kind of like autogynephilia, but not exactly. It’s choosing to perform – and therefore choosing femininity, because femininity IS all about superficial performance (and not about doing stuff that needs to be PLANNED, like, getting a though job in IT or something). And it’s an acceptable performance for society. They likely can get aroused by it, because they do not see themselves in the mirror as normal people would. They do not really see themselves in their eyes.
Why they think other people should agree with their personal act I don’t know, because that seems to be an American thing to me.
What I do know is that no neurotypical therapist has the nerve to tell these persons that they are really nothing, nothing at all; and that their aidentity search (if it’s even real) will be a never-ending cul-de-sac. Because admitting autistics, schizoids, sociopaths and others of us antisocial vermin have no (gender) identity would mean (for the therapist) admitting your own (gender) identity is based on social construction, conditioning and brainwashing.
February 17, 2013 at 10:25 am
Interesting thoughts. Rich white heterosexual “Radical Feminist” blogger FactCheckMe thinks autistic children should be aborted:
http://factcheckme.wordpress.com/2013/02/14/more-separatism-by-default/
February 17, 2013 at 12:30 pm
HOLY SHIT. No. Autism is not “extreme maleness.” No we shouldn’t be aborted. What is this madness?
As an autistic female I’m seen as a dainty little flower who can’t stand any high noises, aggressiveness etc. At the same time, I can’t perform the female social role because that requires social skills and ability to lie and play a role for a long time!
So what’s my gender?!
As an autistic person I find comfort in feminism because only feminists write about what bullshit gender roles are. It makes someone who can’t perform one feel less freakish.
FCM can fuck off.
February 17, 2013 at 2:00 pm
I don’t blame her for thinking that, if that’s her (mis)understanding of autism. White middle class boys get diagnosed more often because their mothers’ seek it out as a reason to explain why their little boy is a bit odd. There are plenty of extremely spoilt, white middle class autistic boys whose mothers relish having a ‘special’ child. These boys could be more independent than they are but sometimes their mothers keep them in perpetual childhood, perhaps because they are so brainwashed by the patriarchy that they think making a male happy is the ultimate goal in life.
I was (informally) diagnosed in adulthood and the autism advocacy lobby built up by middle class mothers doesn’t help me one bit. Neither do the likes of SB Cohen with his ‘extreme male brain’ theory. Needless to say, there are female autistics and there are autistics who are not burdens on their mothers after a reasonable age (I had to grow up fairly quickly due to my social class) – it’s just that these don’t make up the public face of autism.
February 17, 2013 at 8:10 pm
We have ultrasound for fetal abnormalities (although Autism et al won’t show up there) and the greatest use of abortion by married and partnered women is because they do not want a child with disabilities. I am a proponent of abortion on demand at any stage, and for any reason the women decides, and refuse to judge women who commit infanticide of babies they were forced to conceive and forced to bring to term. Healthy, or not. That type of infanticide was practiced by native women in times of old.
But I also question the Autism diagnosis. Is it real: Or is it Male? Until we know, I’m not terribly in favour of letting women carry the can on this one, too.
February 17, 2013 at 8:02 pm
I’m not surprised that autism is increasing, as are many chronic illnesses, cancer, mental and emotional vulnerabilities, etc. from vaccines with unknown or dangerous additives injected, food contaminated with toxins, food cooked and stored in plastic and soy, which are endocrine disrupters and xenoestrogens, affecting hormonal balance (beside the mental/emotional effects, cause horrifically painful periods, endometriosis, polycystic ovaries, fibroids, cancer, etc. and seem to be affecting most women under 45).
Are we to eliminate most female babies, girls, young women now too? Quite a few of our Radical Feminists say they are on the autistic spectrum, and certainly most of our community has chronic illesses, whether from government experimentation like Lyme disease or from pollution, like Fibromyalgia, CFIDS, cancer, etc. Just get rid of all of us?
I understand not creating any more males since they are destroying the earth, but the non-disabled males are even more dangerous.
Interesting that FCM is rich and heterosexual. So many of the women vehemently telling Lesbians and other Radical Feminists what to do seem bonded intimately with men. When I first came online, she was one who went after me with such hatred and cruelty, intent to drive me off with ridicule and game-playing, which I’m assuming she has done to many Radical Feminists and women wanting to join us. I’m not even sure what enraged her so. My assuming it was okay to mention Lesbians or classism or racism? Basic issues well-known among the original Radical Feminists, but now systematically being eliminated by the rightwing style newer “feminists.”
I don’t understand her being so lauded and quoted. When I ask feminists why, they go back to her posting against “PIV,” as if that was new. That was one of the first thing that feminists in the Sixties and early Seventies wrote against. The next question was why be sexual or give intimate energy to men at all. But she won’t go near that one, right?
The kinds of women who started Radical Feminist must take our movement back from these privileged reactionaries before they destroy it and turn it into their private elitist country club.What a limited, cold-hearted, boring place that would be. (No wonder they so often focus on attacking real feminists.) Men criticizing feminism lied about our movement being “white, middle class, etc.” but these women seem to want it to be exactly that, only add “rich.” The Lesbians, celibate Radical Feminists, women oppressed by classism and racism, women with a heart and who care about equality and a movement that welcomes ALL women, not just the privileged.
February 19, 2013 at 2:46 pm
“I don’t understand her being so lauded and quoted. ” I dunno about the whole history of the thing, I just came across her blog via somewhere else, and thought she posted some interesting things. Yeah, some of it was ole stuff coming round again, but at least someone was talking about it. And some days, anywoman saying anything remotely feminist is so refreshing that I’ll forgive quite a bit of historical inaccuracy!
“The next question was why be sexual or give intimate energy to men at all.” Indeed. Why get so het (ha-ha!) up about PIV when you have the obvious solution staring you in the face — just STOP doing the man thing.
O well, not everywoman can be as lucky as us butches.
“The kinds of women who started Radical Feminist must take our movement back from these privileged reactionaries……..” I’m not totally sure about this. We can only take it back if we let them take it in the first place! What has anyone ‘taken’? Someone comes out with some ideas, we know they’re actually not that original. Women will read and listen to various voices, some women may claim that they know better than anyone else.
They can’t destroy anything, as long as there are SOME voices out there who keep questioning and pointing stuff out.
But then I admit that I haven’t come across anything that reactionary from the snippets I read there. Here is a much more interesting conversation!
Let’s face it, we know from past events that trying to get heterosexual feminists to finally stop thinking so much about the menz is a hard one, and that at times they can take it out on rad-fems and dykes, because we insist on reminding them all the damn time how much they’re still in thrall to the man and their heterosexual conditioning. Sometimes they can only take baby steps…………..