May 19, 2013
just wanted to let everyone know that the HUB has been reopened as an archives. please note the new address: radicalhubarchives.wordpress.com.
also, the original wordpress address, which was radicalhub.wordpress.com still works, and all links to HUB content which include the original wordpress.com address, that is, links dropped PRIOR TO january, 2012 -- when the domain was purchased -- will still take you to the content.
The mother of a “transgender child” who blogs at TransformingFamily.net authors a long and thoughtful response to a few comments that were left about her blog by GenderTrender readers last week on this post: http://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/from-dirt-trans-trending-who-is-transitioning-the-violence-against-lesbians/#comments
Trans*forming Mom – who is “transforming” her 15 year old daughter into a lifetime program of dependency on sterilizing medical treatments designed to disguise her true sex, as well as “transforming” her into a 15 year-old recipient * of a medically-unnecessary double mastectomy- classifies the comments left on the GenderTrender post as “the most harsh criticism” she has ever received.
[*According to information on the TransformingFamily blog, Dr. Beverly Fischer of Baltimore MD performs “cosmetic” double mastectomies on healthy girls as young as 12 ]
Trans*forming Mom describes her background being raised as a Christian Fundamentalist and relates her experience of receiving a lifetime of violence and abuse from men. “I had not only experienced violence, objectification, abuse, and assault from men beginning at the earliest stages of my life, but i had seen other important women in my life experience this too,” she writes.
Mom writes about her daughter’s distress at her failure to adequately perform, or find satisfaction in, oppressive sexist gender roles assigned to females. “He has shared that, because he didn’t feel comfortable as a girl, he didn’t have an identity. So, he threw himself into ballet and “being the perfect daughter” as a way to distract himself from the reality of his male-ness. He has told me that there is only one thing that he ever felt that he had to do, and that was to be a girl, and when he allowed himself to accept that he was not one, he felt that he failed. This breaks my heart. And he wasn’t taught or told that he had to “be a girl” in any certain way, or be any type of girl. He just knew he was expected to be a girl because that is what we told him and how we raised him based upon his birth assignment, and he knew he was not one,” she writes.
Trans*formingMom makes repeated analogies between the medicalization of gender and homosexuality. She compares irreversible pediatric sterilization and surgeries on dysphoric children to young children who identify themselves as homosexual and implies that feminists should get right on board. For the record, I don’t know any feminists, gays, or lesbians including myself who suggest that children or adolescents should make permanent lifetime decisions regarding their future sexual interests or self-concepts. Trans*formingMom compares trans people who de-transition or come to reject genderism with the “ex-gays” of religious fundamentalism.
Mom also seems to have confused me with Dirt, since the post in question was re-blogged from Dirt’s excellent site.
The saddest part of her post for me was in the comments where she explains the lengths she went to convincing her daughter not to seek out and read the comments, and the blog, that Mom is writing about. Her daughter is old enough to opt into lifetime medical dependence and cosmetic disablility and sterility and breast removal, but is not old enough to be exposed to the world of feminist thought on “Gender”.
Unlike Trans*formingMom (and many gender believers), feminists aren’t afraid of exposure to other points of view. Her post is re-blogged here: http://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2013/05/06/criticisms-and-misconceptions-from-people-who-just-dont-know-what-theyre-talking-about/
[Note: The comment from “GenderTrender” on the post is not me. That is “Manfeminist” Natalie Reed – yes THAT one!- who enjoys harassing lesbians and feminists by running imposter accounts.]
The Press Complaints Commission has issued its ruling following an inquiry into the Julie Burchill article. Transgenders called for the criminalization and censorship of Burchill when she described trans activists who use threats of rape and murder against feminists as “bedwetters in bad wigs”. The title of the article “Transsexuals should cut it out” referred to the ubiquitous harassment, violent threats, and bullying against feminists by transgender activists. You can read her censored article in full HERE.
Commission’s decision in the case of
Two Complainants v The Observer / The Daily Telegraph
The complainants were concerned about a comment article which responded to criticism of another columnist on social networking sites. The article had first been published by The Observer. Following The Observer’s decision to remove the article from its website, it had been republished on the website of The Daily Telegraph. The Commission received over 800 complaints about the article, which it investigated in correspondence with two lead complainants, one for each newspaper.
The complainants considered that the article contained a number of prejudicial and pejorative references to transgender people in breach of Clause 12 (Discrimination) of the Editors’ Code of Practice. They also raised concerns under Clause 1 (Accuracy) that language used by the columnist was inaccurate as well as offensive, and, furthermore that the article misleadingly suggested that the term “cis-gendered” was insulting. Additionally, concerns had been raised that the repeated use of terms of offence had breached Clause 4 (Harassment) of the Code.
The Commission first considered the complaints, framed under Clause 12, that the article had contained a number of remarks about transgender people that were pejorative and discriminatory. It noted that the Observer had accepted that these remarks were offensive, and that it had made the decision to remove the article on the basis that the language used fell outside the scope of what it considered reasonable; however, the Observer denied a breach of Clause 12 because the article had not made reference to any specific individual. Clause 12 states that newspapers “must avoid prejudicial or pejorative reference to an individual’s race, colour, religion, gender, sexual orientation or to any physical or mental illness or disability”. However, the clause does not cover references to groups or categories of people. The language used in the article did not refer to any identifiable individual, but to transgender people generally. While the Commission acknowledged the depth of the complainants’ concerns about the terminology used, in the absence of reference to a particular individual, there was no breach of Clause 12.
The Commission also considered the complaint under the terms of Clause 1, which states that “the press must take care not to publish inaccurate, misleading or distorted information, including pictures”. Complainants had suggested that the terms used in the article to refer to transgender people were inaccurate or misleading. Whilst the Commission acknowledged this concern, it was clear from the tone of the article that these terms were being used to express an opinion. Whilst many people had found this opinion deeply distasteful and upsetting, the columnist was entitled to express her views under the terms of Clause 1(iii), so long as the statements were clearly distinguished from fact. The same was true in relation to the columnist’s assertion that the term “cis-gendered” is offensive. Viewed in the context of the article as a whole, particularly in light of the fact that the article had been deliberately identified as a comment piece, this was clearly distinguishable as an expression of her opinion about the term rather than a statement of fact about how it is perceived more broadly. This did not constitute a failure to take care over the accuracy of the article, for the purposes of Clause 1(i), and neither was there any significant inaccuracy requiring correction under the terms of Clause 1(ii). There was no breach of Clause 1.
The Commission turned to consider those concerns raised under Clause 4, which states that “journalists must not engage in intimidation, harassment or persistent pursuit”. It made clear, however, that the publication of a single comment piece was not conduct which would engage the terms of Clause 4. There was no breach of the Code.
The Commission acknowledged that the complainants found much of the article offensive. Nonetheless, the terms of the Editors’ Code of Practice do not address issues of taste and offence. The Code is designed to address the potentially competing rights of freedom of expression and other rights of individuals, such as privacy. Newspapers and magazines have editorial freedom to publish what they consider to be appropriate provided that the rights of individuals – enshrined in the terms of the Code which specifically defines and protects these rights – are not compromised. It could not, therefore, comment on this aspect of the complaint further.
Too bad, bedwetters.
[bolding by me-GM]
February 22, 2013
February 11, 2013
The OP of this post: “groovemastergeneral” is Transgender Male Rights Activist and Anti-Gay activist Cristin Williams. He also comments below as “two”
submitted 10 hours ago* by groovemastergeneral
Last year, the Southern Poverty Law Center rightly classified the men’s rights movement as a hate group. However, they are yet to turn their attention to another insidious group – RadFems.
For the past couple of years, RadFems have lead the way in using the internet as tool to incite hatred against transgendered people.
Indeed, there are now dozens of RadFem websites devoted precisely to this purpose – with ‘RadicalHub’ and ‘GenderTredner’ arguably being the worst offenders.
As time passes, their rhetoric and activism are becoming increasing aggressive – with some of them even going so far as to ‘out’ transgendered people without their consent.
Disturbingly, some of the most prominent RadFems are even being given platforms to spread their transphobic bigotry in mainstream publications. Take for example, Julie Burchill’s recent Observer article.
Thus, I believe the time has come for us to persuade the Southern Poverty Law Center to recognise RadFems as the hate group they truly are.
Who’s with me?
There is no doubt that hate is core to their motivation. They don’t bring any real benefit to their lives by attacking trans women, we are basically an outlet for them to take out their frustration. I’m sure their lives are quite shitty, to have so much ugliness inside of them. Happy people don’t put down minority groups without any sensible cause or reason.
More to the point, the hateful fervor on some radfem blogs definitely seems capable of inciting violence, so I believe they meet the definition of a hate group in every sense of the word..
Don’t forget us trans* men! I had no clue what GenderTrender was when I was searching for resources about two months ago. I felt sick and depressed and guilty for weeks, even after I figured out it was just a bunch of RadFems. They focus their ire on trans* woman most often, but they’ve not ignored us “betrayers”.
February 3, 2013
I don’t have a ton of time for this, but I am so disturbed by the recent bashing and erasure of butch lesbians (and lesbians in general) in the radical feminist “community” that I feel compelled to respond to the nastiness posted yesterday by Allecto on the Liberation Collective website. Apparently there was “coincidentally” an identical post put up on Brennan’s blog today with an unfortunate photo of bisexual dominitrix Pat Califia as an illustration of a “butch lesbian” (wtf?). Coincidences aside, I’m going to address the original post at Liberation Collective. My comment was censored there so I am posting here. Males are not welcome to comment on lesbian community dynamics here.
My response to:
“Gender by any Name Always Stinks” by Allecto [My comments in bold-GM]
Having been educated into radical feminist analysis by a group of incredible Australian lesbian feminists who collectively have a very clear view that the butch/femme hierarchy in the lesbian community as one that is unhealthy to lesbian relations,
[Lesbian relations are non-hierarchical based on sex. There is no butch femme “hierarchy”, because there is no sex-based power imbalance between women. Jendur coded personality characteristics are not privileged among women. There are power imbalances in lesbian relations due to race and class and (dis)ability and conditional power based on ability to “pass” as heterosexual. There is no “hierarchy”, no patriarchal authority which grants power to a lesbian who disconforms to femininity over a lesbian whose presentation is socially coded as femininity conforming. Lesbians partnered with women who have seemingly opposite personality traits (you're bookish, I'm pop-cultureish) are not “unhealthy”. In fact, when calling lesbian relations “unhealthy” I'd be DAMN sure what the hell you are talking about considering the monstrous degree of oppression rained down on homosexual females . Lesbian relations are NOT unhealthy, even between women who have seemingly opposite personality traits that are erroneously coded as “masculine” and “feminine” in a sex hierarchy.] it surprised me to discover, both online and in real life, a push to incorporate butch/femme ideologies into lesbian feminist practice and theory.
[Ideologies? Lesbian feminist practice and theory? What sort of classist fuckery is this? Lesbians, including those working class lesbians historically termed butch or femme don't need to be “incorporated” into lesbian feminism. We fucking invented it! And we did it without a women's studies degree- or any fucking degree. We were the lesbians having bottles thrown at us while you were deciding how to let your parents know you liked sticking your mouth into vagina. Holy shit. You can have your practice and theory. We'll be doing the lesbianism and feminism- without any practice! Feminist “theory” was built on the backs of lesbian lives, especially lesbians targeted and ostracized for being walking billboards for the existence of female homosexuality.]
The push seems to be from a strong concern that women classified as ‘butch’ are a class of women who are specially oppressed under male supremacy and that they are being transitioned out of existence. [No shit. Being a walking billboard for lesbianism and female non-compliance tends to single one out for oppression. Fancy that! I'm reading your whole tone here as snide dismissal of corrective rape, murder, abuse of working class lesbians – and lesbians of any culture- who are “clocked”. And women like you who “other” us and seek to invisibilize us are stomping on our graves! Women like you who try to shame lesbians who fail to perform femininity and who you frame as somehow receiving hierarchical POWER for doing so. Women like you who frame us as “pseudo males”. It is YOU that inform the transification of butch lesbians, which you actually frame as a “strong concern” rather than an undeniable genocidal FACT that the rest of us have been witnessing for the last fifteen years. ]
So what is ‘butch’? There seems to me to be two different definitions of what constitutes a ‘butch’ woman within some rad fem circles. One definition is that a ‘butch’ woman is a woman who has never engaged in behaviours that are considered feminine; ie wearing a dress, or being fucked by a man.
[I have never heard a single butch lesbian in my entire life define herself as a woman who has never engaged in any behavior that is sexistly coded “feminine”. EVER. And let's get real here: neither have you. EVER. How ridiculous. This is total bullshit. Pure, butch-bashing bullshit. And what misogynistic homophobic bullshit. Gay men fuck each other all the time. There is nothing “feminine” about a man fucking you. This is some crazy tranz gendery bullshit that you are spewing at butch lesbians. Trans-parent! As for the dress: a butch lesbian is clockable in a dress and lipstick for christsake. Still readable as a bulldyke!]
According to the women who use this definition, ‘butch’ is not relational to ‘femme’. A ‘butch’ woman theoretically exists outside of male supremacy and ‘butch’ women prefer to socialise with and have relationships with other ‘butch’ women.
[Wha?? What butch claims to exist outside of patriarchy? Answer: None. Ever. In the history of the world. And LMAO about butches prefering to socialize with and relate to other butch lesbians. Why on earth would we find solace and comradery with similar women and avoid marginalizing transifying misogynist homophobe contact with women like YOU?]
However, in practice, ‘butch’ is relational to women classified as not-’butch’, that is, women who do engage in behaviour that is considered feminine. ‘Femmes’ become necessary in order for ‘butches’ to differentiate themselves from, and hold themselves above.
[EWWWWWWWW. Just fucking ewwwwwwwwwww. How dare those uppity bulldaggers acknowledge a distinct experience, different from women who can mainstream themselves. They must think they are “above” other women by being walking targets. Let's fuck them uppity bitchez up. UGH. Disgusting, horrific lesbian-bashing here. Same EXACT rhetoric of corrective rapists worldwide.]
I find this definition of ‘butch’ problematic for many reasons. Firstly, there is no such thing as a woman (or man) who has never engaged in behaviours considered feminine. Under this definition, no woman on earth is ‘butch’, as no woman can exist without engaging in behaviours falsely categorised as feminine. Pretty certain that every butch woman has cried at some point in their life, or held another being tenderly etc.
[Strawman argument. No butch lesbian has ever claimed any such thing. EVER. In the history of the world. Pure, butch lesbian-bashing bullshit here. Actually bizarre assertion. No butch lesbian has ever asserted such a thing. EVER.]
Universal human behaviour has been falsely split into masculinity and femininity. To paraphrase Mary Daly, a person who has been socialised into masculinity is a person who has lost half of themselves. As feminists we seek to destroy the hierarchical gendered categorisation of human behaviour so that behaviours classified as feminine are not devalued or lesser than… but part of normal human behaviour, not relational to gender.
[On what planet have you seen any woman, ever, socialized into traits coded as masculine? Answer: None. Not even on StarTrek. Also, horrible bastardization of Mary Daly- in use to bash lesbians, no less. Horrible.]
If the radical feminist idea of gender is that it is universal human characteristics that have been falsely categorised and placed into a hierarchy of masculine over feminine is true, then a practice which seeks to eradicate behaviours that are perceived by society to be feminine would potentially render a woman masculinised, therefore a woman who has lost half of herself, not a true woman in the sense of free from male supremacist thought and action.
[OMG. Again, just ewww. Disgusting conflation AGAIN of butch lesbians with MALES. Butches are working class lesbians who don't “pass”. All humans have various characteristics. Butch lesbians have characteristics which are falsely categorized as masculine. We have fought, figuratively and literally, not to have these characteristics beaten out of us. Yet sexist genderist homophobes like you claim we are LESS THAN HUMAN. You claim we are ONLY HALF HUMAN, having “lost half of ourselves”. FUCKKKKKKKKKKKK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU. Seriously, fuck you and every butch-stabbing hating nasty-ass fucker who ever stomped on a dyke.]
Though in theory these women claim to exist outside of relation to women they see as conforming to femininity, [LIAR!] I often notice self-labelled ‘butch’ women talking about ‘other’ women in a disparaging and very superior manner. To me, it seems obvious that these women see ‘butch’ as better than other women who are not perceived as ‘butch’ essentially keeping the false categories and hierarchy firmly in place.
[RIGGHHHTTTT. Bulldaggers OPPRESS WOMEN. Butch Pride HURTS women. Because= POWER! MAGICK BULLDAGGER POWER! Fucking disgusting lesbian bashing here. ]
The second definition of ‘butch’ is in relation to ‘femme’ within the context of lesbian relationships and the wider lesbian community. These feminists believe that gender is damaging only within a heterosexual/heterorelational context. [IE: SEX-BASED OPPRESSION. HELLO?] They put forward the notion that gender is not only safe within the lesbian community, but necessary, and an intrinsic part of every lesbian relationship.
[ WHOA. Wait. You just conflated TWO things. SEX-BASED OPPRESSION (which is a HUGE, actual thing) with an entirely invented, ficticious, demonization of butch lesbians claiming we think Jendur: sex-based hierarchy- is good. And Needed. And INTRINSIC. WHAT A REVERSAL. What a transparently false association you have created out of thin air to try to back up your bashing of butch lesbians. What a horrible misrepresentation of lesbians you have constructed here. It is so fucking distgusting that you would tack this shit onto butch dykes. You say this is the “second definition of butch” : what is that definition? You never say. Outlining the difference between sex-based oppression and inter-female relationships doesn't offer a “second definition” of butch lesbians. Just stringing total crap together to shit on working class daggers. Nice. Lesbians who have characteristics coded under patriarchy as masculine are shit because whut?? JUST BECAUSE, apparently.]
From a brief discussion with a proponent of gender role playing/identity within lesbian relationships it seems like a very convoluted way of tacking gender onto lesbians with little rhyme or reason.
[Butch lesbians aren't playing a role. But you had a brief discussion with someone who likes roleplaying? WHAT?? You shit on bulldykes because Whut???]
From what I could gather, the butch/femme thing in this definition is largely about appearance. A woman who wears a dress is ‘femme’, a woman in pants/short hair is ‘butch’. [You are not a lesbian if you think this. You just aren't. This reminds me of a “political lesbian” (straight woman) who recently claimed assembling an IKEA table was a butch act.] I don’t really understand how categorising women into gendered identities because of clothing choices is in anyway meaningful or necessary for lesbians seeking liberation. Also, surely any relationship forged upon, and beholden to, the aesthetic appearance of the women involved is an incredibly shallow way of relating. [Do you think lesbians are retarded? Butch lesbians are clockable regardless of what they wear or don't wear. This is disgusting homophobia and misogyny.]
It seems that within this community a lot of attention is paid to ‘loving the butch’ and women classified into ‘femme’ will often exclaim about how much they love ‘butches’. I find this quite disconcerting as it reads like the worship of the cult of masculinity, which is surely something that we, as lesbian feminists, are trying to escape. And this again shows up the hierarchy involved as it is less often that I see ‘butch’ women exclaiming about how much they love ‘femmes’. When this occurs, I find it disturbing for similar reasons. We should not be worshipping the cult of femininity either, as it is a building block upon which women’s oppression is founded.
[Women's oppression is NOT based upon naturally occurring variations of female characteristics. Women's oppression is based on biological sex. Women whose personal characteristics are coded “feminine” or “masculine” under a sex-based hierarchy DO NOT OPPRESS OTHER WOMEN DUE TO THEIR PERSONAL CHARACTERISTICS. HOW FUCKING OBVIOUS IS THIS. Women-hating, lesbian-hating women like you and Cathy Brennan CANNOT MAKE IT SO. ]
As I was writing this article, a young woman wrote the following post in a feminist facebook group. I feel like this exemplifies the problems caused by engaging with gender, even within the lesbian community.
i had a run-in with a lesbian who was butch/”trans” … and very condescending and abusive towards feminine women. she liked to walk around with a strap-on under her pants, admitting she liked to feel “above” women because of it, and practically used it as a weapon against her girlfriend. i also recently got out of a relationship with another butch who was very abusive in a similar way. i was bullied by her for my previous experiences with men, but she had the same experiences as me. i felt like i was shamed for being feminine as well.
what the hell is this? self-hate? they both seemed to kiss their male friends’ asses too, all while blatantly emotionally abusing their female friends. i love butches, don’t get me wrong, but i’m a little apprehensive now. both of these women said they were feminists, albeit the first one subscribing to queer/trans BS. the one with the strap-on dealio actually graduated with a women’s studies degree (tho that doesn’t account for much), but she was also involved with radical politics so i don’t know how the hell she thought this shit was ok. she loved BDSM and literally beating the shit out of women, especially drunk women who found themselves at her place. i had to take a woman she was sleeping with home once, who was way too drunk, who she tied up and did God knows what else to. after that i refused to be anywhere near the abuser. my ex, though, seemed more put off by feminine images or “beauty”, whereas the first one seemed put off by body or sex.
i feel a little traumatized from what i’ve been through with these two. to make matters worse, they lived together at one point and the strap-on chick liked to hit on me and touch me without my consent. i was scared to defend myself because of her anger and passive aggressive attitude, so to not cause any trouble i just kept my mouth shut and asked my girlfriend to say something to her. considering my past experiences with men and how they guilted me, shamed me, buillied me into shit i didn’t wanna do, i kinda attributed that to this person because she was so aggressive and obsessed with her strap-on or whatever. but my ex didn’t care to do anything to make her stop touching me. she would literally say “i don’t want to mess up my living arrangement”. so you’re practically offering me to your friend?!
[HAHAHA! What a disgusting bizzare butch-bashing quote conflating us with trans, pseudo-males, and demonizing us. Dear lord. Oh GOOD GOLLY! Some women are all “yay porn”, “yay trans” SO WHAT??? FUCK YOU for you butch lesbian-bashing and FUCK every commenter in support of your post. Women-bashers and Lesbian-bashers like you and Brennan ARE A DIME A DOZEN.]
I want lesbian feminism to be a safe place for lesbians, like the young woman above, who have been harmed by gender within the lesbian community. We need to be providing young lesbians with the tools to be able to sort through the damage that queer and pomo ideas have had on lesbianism. The idea of ‘butch’ will not protect women from transitioning, but a vibrant, healthy, loving anddiverse lesbian community will. There are as many genders as there are people which renders gender completely meaningless to lesbians, feminists and women in general. As lesbian feminists we want to make gender meaningless to the world and we will start with our communities. True sisterhood is loving women, without recourse to ‘butch’ and ‘femme’. Not ‘butch’, not ‘femme’: WE ARE WOMEN!!!
“There are as many genders as there are people” WHAT???? Shitting on, demonizing, bashing and seeking to invisibilize butch dykes is NOT a progressive idea. Just ask South Africa! Or Iran! “Recourse” to butch? FUCK YOU!
Here’s the definition of a Butch Lesbian:
Butches (and Studs!) are the dykes you will NEVER SEE on the L-Word or any other fucking TV show.
Is there any dyke ever on television that vaguely reminds you of yourself? YOU are NOT a butch lesbian.
We are the dykes that FTMs call “failed to launch”
We are the dykes being put on puberty-blockers and sterilized
We are the dykes that “political lesbian” straight women and bisexuals call pseudo-males
We are the dykes that rich white college women’s studies majors call distasteful due to femininity=fail
We are the dykes bashed by “radfem leaders” because: working class
We are the dykes our community refuses to call by female pronouns
We are the dykes conflated with males and FTMs by women who call themselves feminists
We are the dykes who will continue, unflinchingly, in the face of all your marginalization and hate, to champion the rights of all females, everywhere, through ACTION every minute of every day, using ourselves as a weapon against female-hating BULLSHIT.
Also, FUCK YOU. (if that wasn’t clear).
November 26, 2012
You asked me to remove various women from RadFemCentral because you disagreed with them.
Please take this opportunity to suck a giant turd out of my fat white ass.
As in, NO. No to you and enjoy the turd.
November 22, 2012
Spokane police announced Tuesday that a woman named Donna Perry was identified as a suspect in the 1990 serial murders of at least three Spokane Washington women after DNA and fingerprint evidence tied her to the crime scenes.
According to the Spokesman Review, advances in DNA technology prompted investigators to resubmit tissue found under the fingernails of one of the victims for testing in 2009. “The DNA came back as belonging to a male, but did not match anyone in the federal database of convicted felons.” Donna was arrested on weapons charges and placed into federal custody in March of this year.
Who is Donna?
“Spokane Co. deputies executed a search warrant in the home of a Spokane woman, who the sheriff’s office says could be tied to three cold case murders.
Yolanda Sapp, 26, Nikkie Lowe, 34, and Kathlene Brisbois, 38, were all shot and killed within three months of each other in 1990. Sapps and Brisbois were found completely nude, while Lowe’s body was partially clothed. All three victims were considered known prostitutes, according to Spokane police.
Detectives say they have enough evidence to now consider Douglas (Donna) Perry, 60, as a person of interest in these murders.
The three homicides became cold cases, but local authorities have been tracking them for years. WSP scientists found male DNA under Brisbois’ fingernail clippings in 2009. Comparisons to potential suspects’ DNA came up empty until they got a hit in September of this year. The DNA matched Perry’s, who was already in custody for illegal possession of firearms charges in March of 2012.
Perry has an extensive criminal history in Washington reaching back to the 70s, with charges ranging from reckless endangerment to second-degree assault. She also had federal charges brought against her in 1988. Authorities say she had a pipe bomb, 49 firearms and 20,000 rounds of ammunition in this case. The federal government charged her again in 1994 for additional firearms and ammunition.
Police began questioning Perry’s mental health decades ago. In 1997, Spokane police say they found attorney papers and weapons in her vehicle. They searched it after allegedly catching then Douglas Perry with a prostitute. The documents reportedly stated Perry suffers from a gender psychosis disorder and does not like females.
Fellow inmates even questioned Perry’s sanity when he served time in an Oregon prison in the 90s. According to court documents, Perry would talk about taking prostitutes home to feed them. They reportedly believed he could have killed prostitutes in the past based on his behavior.
Douglas Perry named himself Donna in 2000 following gender reassignment surgery in Bangkok, Thailand.”
“The three murders, between February and May of 1990, involved prostitutes who were shot with a small-caliber handgun, their bodies dumped in various locations around the Spokane area.
Yolanda Sapp was found dead in the 4100 block of East Upriver Drive on Feb. 22, 1990. She was nude and had three small caliber gunshot wounds. Nickie Lowe’s remains were found in the 3200 block of South Riverton on March 25. She had one gunshot wound and was missing her tennis shoes and billfold. Kathleen Brisbois was found nude with three gunshot wounds along the Spokane River, near Trent Avenue and Pines Road on May 15.
Each of the three victims were known prostitutes, used drugs, and were killed in a similar fashion with a small caliber handgun. Clothes belonging to Brisbois were scattered around the area where her body was found, Lowe was found partially clothed and Sapp’s clothes were never found.
The cases went cold for a number of years, and while a number of other prostitute murders that took placed in the 1990s in Spokane were eventually linked to convicted serial killer Robert Yates, the murders of Sapp, Brisbois and Lowe remained unsolved.
In 2005, two detectives with the Spokane Police Department and Spokane County Sheriff’s Office were assigned to the cold cases. Those detectives — Mark Burbridge with the police department and Jim Dresbeck with the sheriff’s office — began working the cases and Dresbeck submitted evidence to the Washington State Patrol Crime Lab in order to find suspect DNA.
Four years later the crime lab was able to develop a full male profile of the suspect and that information was submitted to the CODIS database to search for a match. CODIS is the national Combined DNA Index System, which compiles local, state and federal databases of DNA profiles from convicted offenders.
In September of this year, three years after a full profile was developed, the crime lab called Detective Dresbeck and let him known they had linked suspect DNA found on some of the evidence to Douglas Perry.
Perry, who underwent gender reassignment surgery in Bangkok, Thailand in 2000 and now identifies himself as Donna Perry, was already in custody at the SeaTac Federal Detention Center in September following his arrest by the ATF on charges of unlawful possession of firearms and ammunition.
It was unlawful for him to possess firearms and ammunition due to a string of assault and weapons charges in Okanogan County that stretched from 1974 to 1988. The following year, in August of 1989, he was arrested by the Spokane Police Department for patronizing a prostitute.
The first victim, Yolanda Sapp, was found six months later.
In addition to those local charges, because he was a convicted felon, Perry had been arrested on federal firearms charges on several occasions. In 1988 he was arrested for possessing a pipe bomb and then again in 1994 for unlawful possession of firearms and ammunition. While searching his home, investigators found 49 firearms and 49,000 rounds of ammunition in the wake of his 1988 arrest.
When he was arrested in 1994 authorities again searched his residence and found numerous weapons and ammunition. During both the 1988 and 1994 searches authorities recovered .22 caliber handguns, the same caliber of the weapons used in the Sapp, Brisbois and Lowe slayings.
On March 14, 2012, Perry was again arrested on firearms charges by the ATF, a search warrant was again executed at his home at 2006 E. Empire and more weapons and ammunition were seized during the search.
And then one ATF agent found something unusual. While searching the bedroom, ATF Special Agent Todd Smith found that the bedroom closet had been painted shut. The closet door was pried open and numerous items were found inside.
Since they were looking for guns and ammunition, the contents of the closet were not inventoried, however Agent Smith found something that caught his eye: He found several boxes in which there were women’s underwear, too small for Perry to wear. The panties looked old and were lacy or frilly, but what struck Smith was that they were kept it struck him that they were being kept as if they were trophies; articles of clothing a murder suspect keeps of their victims as a way to remember — or re-live — the crime.
In October, detectives got one more break that would link Perry to the killings.
Two items missing from the scene where murder victim Nickie Lowe was found — her tennis shoes and her red billfold — were found by a Spokane resident in a dumpster along South Riverton the same morning she was found. Also found with Lowe’s personal items was a tube of “sterile jelly” from which detectives were able to lift several fingerprints. On Oct. 12, two fingerprints found on those items left in the dumpster were matched to Perry.
Perry was transferred on Oct. 17 from federal custody and brought back to the Spokane County Jail where he is currently being held.”
According to the July 2, 1994 Spokane Review archive, his 1994 arrest for weapon’s charges (four years after the murders) was precipitated “after authorities were called by frightened mental health workers” who feared Perry was capable of a massacre attack after he likened himself to mass murderer Dean Mellberg. Perry referred to himself in the press as “a woman in a man’s body” and stated that guns were “like my family and children” explaining “ I picked up dog dung, mowed lawns and even pulled tricks on East Sprague as a male prostitute for extra money to buy my guns. People probably think I’m crazy, but I just wanted to fit in and be left alone with my family”. He added “Everybody needs a purpose in life and mine is guns”.
An earlier weapons arrest (where he was discoved to be in possession of five pipe bombs and various weaponry including machine gun parts) occurred two years prior to the murders, and was precipitated according to the April 28, 1988 Spokesman Review archive by his arrest for punching his mother.
I would put forward that Donna Perry is NOT a woman.
I would also put forward that serial killing murderous men like “Donna” are aided and abetted in their actions every step of the way by scores of other men.
Authorities LITERALLY IGNORED an entire sealed off closet full of fetishistic sadistic murder trophies of MANY victims: materials the other men READILY RECOGNIZED as the detritus of a man with a WELL KNOWN CAREER of violence and hatred against women. Including a written DIAGNOSIS of profound “hatred of women” from psychiatric providers, multiple reports from cellmates who believed he was a serial killer of women, and a criminal history of violent assault against women. Not only was a closet full of serial murder trophies – which were recognized as such by investigating officers- not taken into evidence: they were LITERALLY NOT EVEN INVENTORIED. The closet was RE-SEALED: LITERALLY and FIGURATIVELY- on the evidence of this male’s sadistic violent long-term spree of serial violence and murder of women.
GenderTrender proposes that a Public National Registry of Violence Against Women – similar to publicly accessible sex-offender registries- be set up to track the activities and criminal careers of violent males who commit hate crimes against women. Males arrested for “Patronizing” prostituted women should be included in the registry and DNA samples should be placed on file. As seen above, women cannot rely on male investigators to follow up on evidence of crimes against women that is literally staring them in the face.
GenderTrender proposes – in light of the demonstrable campaign of male on female violence and the collusion of males who are in a position to observe evidence of such abuse- for Mandatory Reporting Laws to be expanded to include women as a recognized vulnerable population. This would subject males to criminal and civil liability for failing to report evidence of violence and exploitation of women.
GenderTrender proposes that men – especially those with a criminal history of violence and exploitation of women- be disallowed from claiming legal female “Gender Identity”, and calls for an end to government, medical and legal collusion in enabling males to create fictional legal sex markers.
August 25, 2012
I’m posting this thread from May 2011 because I think it would be useful for us all to reflect on where we have been, and where we are going. I’d like to express my gratitude and appreciation for all the women who have worked so hard and accomplished so much over the past year. All comments are closed to this post. But do stay tuned for an important post and announcement in the coming days. -GM
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Ursula PunkMay 3 at 10:38am Reply • Report
I’m so glad you’re looking at this legislation. As a group, I think we should do more of this.
Well, it looks like some of the language has already been removed. YAY!
“GENDER IDENTITY” MEANS A GENDER–RELATED IDENTITY OR APPEARANCE OF AN INDIVIDUAL REGARDLESS OF THE INDIVIDUAL’S ASSIGNED SEX AT BIRTH.
Ok, I think that VISIBILIZING the masc/fem constructs that are being “protected” here is VERY important. You can’t say
a “goob identity” means a goob RELATED identity or appearance.
WHAT IS A GOOB?? Duh. And that’s what I mean by referencing masc/fem. THAT’S what this is about– disembodying masc/fem expression from sexual organs, then codifying it as SACRED.
At this point, any person can appropriate any aspect of masculinity or femininity and demand legal PROTECTION.
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August 3, 2012
Lierre has invited folks to email her for a complete transcript at the following address: