Mom to Georgia Elementary School: I’m a Man. And so is my 7 year-old Daughter.

August 27, 2011

A mother in Townsend, Georgia is seeking ACLU representation to sue the McIntosh County Public School system after her 7 year old daughter was denied special permission to use the boy’s locker rooms and bathrooms at Todd Grant Elementary School. The child’s biological mother Tommy Theollyn, 28, claims that both she and the child’s co-parent are female-bodied “males” and that her daughter is also a female-bodied “male” who was diagnosed with transsexualism by a unnamed medical doctor. She also claims the physician is “treating” the seven year old girl for transsexualism, though the specifics of the medical treatment were not specified.

Tommy Theollyn

Theollyn states that her daughter is a Female to Male transsexual just like both of her parents. “My child is transgender; put simply this means he looks like and identifies as a boy, but has the body parts assigned to girls.” Theollyn alleges that the government has an obligation to disguise her daughter’s sex and that the right of secrecy for children pretending to be the other sex takes precedence over the privacy rights of other children. Theollyn claims that the disclosure of her daughter’s true sex would endanger her, because the deception would be revealed and there is social pressure against deception.

The mother claims that sex segregation in elementary school private areas should be assigned based on strict adherence to cultural sex role stereotypes and not by actual sex.

“Forcing him to use a bathroom that does not match his presentation effectively discloses his status as a transgender child and thus endangers him.”

Theollyn’s beliefs echo those of the Transgender Rights Movement: That the government has an obligation to uphold sex role stereotypes by actively assisting in disguising the biological sex of those who don’t conform to such stereotypes. Transgenders maintain that individuals who don’t conform to cultural stereotypes based on physical sex must hide their true sex in order to avoid undermining cultural sex roles, and that the government is obligated to assist them. They claim that dismantling stereotyped sex roles is undesirable and that the government should have an interest in maintaining them.

Theollyn, (who claims to have “become a male” 12 months after her daughter’s birth) feels that locker rooms and restrooms segregated by biological sex cause irreparable harm to children who don’t conform to stereotyped sex role presentation- hair cuts, clothing etc. and hopes to engage ACLU litigators to force the school board to eliminate sex segregated locker rooms and restrooms at her daughter’s elementary school.

From the Georgia Voice:

Theollyn says that his son began expressing his own gender identity as early as age 18 months.

“The first time he told me he was a boy he was about 18 months old,” Theollyn said.

In early 2010, D. began insisting that he be identified as a boy. Theollyn said that D. asked to have his head shaved and began throwing away and hiding his girl’s clothing.

“For a while he was saying he really didn’t care, that he was above all that gender stuff. Then one day he asked us to shave his head. He said, ‘I can’t wear girls clothes. I need to look like a boy.'”

Theollyn said at first, he thought D. was just emulating him. Other people who knew D. also expressed the same feelings.

“That really did not go well in a lot of ways,” Theollyn said. “He was very disappointed by the response.”

D. was home-schooled prior to this year. Theollyn said that his son wanted to go to public school because he wants to be a veterinarian and he wanted to interact with children his age. Theollyn said that D. felt being in home school would hurt his chances of becoming a vet.

“He was so ready,” Theollyn said. “It’s such a disappointment. He’s got a bookbag full of supplies he can’t use. He’s very clearly frustrated and disappointed.”

Theollyn said that he and D. have been working with a doctor.”

Transgender activists have started an online petition against elementary school locker rooms and restrooms that are segregated by physical sex.  Over 2300 transgenders have signed.

From the same Georgia Voice article:

“Theollyn said that he reached out to the American Civil Liberties Union earlier this week to discuss the incident. The state chapter forwarded the case to the organization’s main office in New York, according to Theollyn. He said he has not heard back.

Theollyn said he will present members of the McIntosh School board with educational material and a copy of the Change.org petition during a mid-September school board meeting.

“There’s several things I want to discuss,” he said. “I have no idea how that’s going to go.”

In the meantime, D. is back to learning at home.

“I don’t want to give him the message that it’s OK to treat people this way,” Theollyn said. “At the same time, I also know where that leaves us — back at home school.”

 

 

102 Responses to “Mom to Georgia Elementary School: I’m a Man. And so is my 7 year-old Daughter.”

  1. DaveSquirrel Says:

    Oh dear, it is the opposite case to the parents of the male child that insist he should use the girls’ locker room and toilets. In the case of ‘boy who thinks he is a girl’, it is an invasion of the girls’ privacy. But in this case, her 7yo daughter is likely to be found out in the boys’ locker room or toilets, and it will end with the daughter being attacked, as boys are raping younger and younger these days.

    Transgenders maintain that individuals who don’t conform to cultural stereotypes based on physical sex must hide their true sex in order to avoid undermining cultural sex roles, and that the government is obligated to assist them. They claim that dismantling stereotyped sex roles is undesirable and that the government should have an interest in maintaining them.

    That is just a complete reversal of the radfem position, calling biological sex as sex roles and culturally constructed. The reality may hit home when the reality of sex – biological sex – is revealed in her daughter getting attacked.

    On another note, so 2,300 transgenders signed the petition eh? That makes trans numbers far greater than radfems – trans are always insisting that they are the minority. Nope, the minority are radfems.

  2. DaveSquirrel Says:

    Oh, and the photo?
    Yup, just another garden variety dyke there – no male.

    • Anonymiss Says:

      That leaves me thinking: How do those people think they’ll ever pass as male with their artificial, thin, sculpted and perfect eyebrows?

      So if I am a girly girl, wear dresses, pink, blahblahblah and I say I ~feel like a male~ and ~I’m a male inside~ those trans will accept me as male simply because I said so? Sincere question. I’ve always imagined this because often I see transgender people being all like “I’m actually a man in a girl’s body, but I like to crossdress most of the day”.

      Sorry for my bad english.

      • DaveSquirrel Says:

        It seems to be a one-way deal, with trans declaring anything they want, and everyone has to go along with that.

        I declared myself a squirrel, but they don’t want to play along with MY delusion.

  3. Feuerwerferin Says:

    Again, not funny at all. That woman does not even know how men behave/are. She obviously has a delusional image of mean like most women. Most women don’t face what men really are (brutal, dominance obcessed pricks). Men are showing their genitals to each other very often because they are obsessed with them. How is her dauther supposed to fake this? And she obviously doesn’t know how males are likely to react when her daughter fails the fake of biological sex. Still she thinks that they are both males… (shakes head). No wonder. She doesn’t even look like a man herself. By looking at her photo I would have never guessed that she thinks she’s a man. Honestly.
    As far as I remember, when I was a girl, I noticed that ca. half of the girls in my elementary school wanted to become vets. I was surprised back then. But this girl is a “boy” so it’s transgressive, right?

    Besides: If you need to disguise in order to conform to sex role stereotypes, then you are obviously not breaking them. You are avoiding to break them!Trans, do you get this?

    • DaveSquirrel Says:

      LOL, a freudian typo there FW:
      She obviously has a delusional image of mean like most women.

      Nope, there isn’t much difference between “men” and “mean”, so an easy mistake to make!😛

  4. Sargasso Sea Says:

    …has the body parts assigned to girls.

    Oopsie! Got that *assignment* thing all fouled up!

    It’s the gender that is assigned, not the body parts.

    (Note to self: get your talking points straight before you call the ACLU demanding they force the world to cater to your 7 year old!!!)

  5. yttik Says:

    That is just sad and horrifying. I can’t imagine doing that to a child. My goal has always been to keep as much gender as possible out of their lives so they can just be kids.

    18 month old’s don’t even have a sense of self yet. They can barely grasp that there’s a whole world around them.They’re often still trying to figure out how to use a toilet. To dump gender issues on them is complete projection. The culture at large is always getting in their face and telling them what tough little men they are, what pretty little girls, but they look back at you like you’re a complete moron, which you are, if you’re having such conversations with a baby.


    • “18 month old’s don’t even have a sense of self yet. They can barely grasp that there’s a whole world around them.They’re often still trying to figure out how to use a toilet. To dump gender issues on them is complete projection. The culture at large is always getting in their face and telling them what tough little men they are, what pretty little girls, but they look back at you like you’re a complete moron, which you are, if you’re having such conversations with a baby.”

      This x 1000

      Most fucking 20 year olds don’t have a sense of self yet, let alone an 18 month year old. Projectionist indeed.

  6. Chonky Says:

    All Aboard the crazy train!

  7. Nik Says:

    “Transgenders maintain that individuals who don’t conform to cultural stereotypes based on physical sex must hide their true sex in order to avoid undermining cultural sex roles, and that the government is obligated to assist them. They claim that dismantling stereotyped sex roles is undesirable and that the government should have an interest in maintaining them.”

    This isn’t true.

  8. jj Says:

    this is laughable. really seems like a joke!?! poor poor child.
    i would consider this child abuse/endangerment.

  9. enadai Says:

    “(…believes) the government has an obligation to uphold sex role stereotypes by actively assisting in disguising the biological sex of those who don’t conform to such stereotypes.”

    The medical profession is responsible for this insanity and child abuse. At the least, if she cannot be sectioned, the child(ren) should be removed from that home.

  10. pmsrhino Says:

    Of course, when her daughter is attacked in the boys locker room or restroom to them it will be because she is trans and NOT because she is female, and they will miss the point even more.

    Can I also mention how much of a pronoun headache articles like this give me.:\


  11. Oh, the ACLU shows its hatred of women again (Look up “Always Causing Legal Unrest” for more).

    If this child grew up with two f2T parents, of course she’s going to be confused about her identity! Or, it could be what the parents want for her.

    “The mother claims that sex segregation in elementary school private areas should be assigned based on strict adherence to
    cultural sex role stereotypes and not by actual sex.”

    Wow…so many tomboyish girls would be put in changing areas with the boys? She really needs to think through her reasoning.

  12. Kay Says:

    One thing I have learned in life , is that if someone hates people who are different so much that they blog about it the blogger and hater has many more issues than the subject of his hatred. How does this affect your life? Why does it matter to you? Rhetorical question, I don’t respect you enough to look for a response.

    • enadai Says:

      This whackjob of a mother is a danger to her child. In my area, any person who suspects a child is being abused is legally bound to report it.

    • fwancis Says:

      “Rhetorical question, I don’t respect you enough to look for a response.”

      This is so transparent it’s pathetic.


  13. I would like to offer several corrections to your story. The only thing Tommy is asking for is safe access to restrooms for his son at school.

    Tommy is acting under the advice of physicians who have confirmed their son is transgender.

    The healthiest thing a parent can do for their transgender children is to offer support and acceptance.

    Tommy’s son lives as boy, dresses like a boy, acts like a boy, and tells his friends he is a boy.

    Please correct your story to reflect the corrected information. Thank you.

    • GallusMag Says:

      My story is accurate so I won’t change it, but what I will do is post your comment so the whole world can see that Joe Mirabella of Change.org believes that 7 year-old girls who “dress like boys” and “act like boys” should be treated medically.

    • Noanodyne Says:

      No, Joe, “Tommy” is asking to get “Tommy’s” daughter beat up, pushed around, treated like shit, and possibly much worse by other kids because “Tommy” has a mental illness. “Tommy” wants her daughter — you know, a female with all the attendant parts — to be sent into the boys locker room and the boys bathroom. That’s called child abuse, Joe. It’s very simple if you’re not drinking some kind of sick Kool-Aid from the perv crowd. The “T” in LGBxxx has overstayed its welcome and can kindly get the fuck out. I’m a dyke. Get it? I’m the “L” in the alphabet soup and what you and “Tommy” are advocating for is erasing lesbian girlhood and the girlhoods of every female who doesn’t feel like dressing up like a fucking Disney princess. Well, I have news for you, Joe, it’s not up to you and it’s not up to TeeGee Nation. It’s up to mentally healthy people to say absolutely NO to this utter bullshit and child abuse.

      • DaveSquirrel Says:

        Great comment Noan, all of it. Particularly ‘disney princess’ – I think I would have had a mental meltdown if I had been forced to live and dress 24/7 as a disney princess, as I see so many young girls being forced to do these days.

      • Becky Zee Says:

        Firstly I must say that you are very (terribly) rude towards Transgenders, and yes I am one, which is why I have decided to respond with mild uproar. Firstly who is anyone here to judge, and thus I shall reserve the right to make justifiable judgement. In short I feel that this situation requires expert and very careful considerations. It is not for us to access second hand information or so-called statements and alike (regardless if they are likely to be true or not). This is a propaganda subway, where we all want to push and shove our way onto the dart train without much thought of others who we may not understand fully. Noan__ you are very against the TRANSGENDER COMMUNITY, so what makes you negatively discriminate us, and who on earth gives you this non given right? This whole aspect could be looked at as many things, but you certainly show a sad example of what is Satan’s (Santa is an anagram…get to know!!) imaculate deception is clearly doing onto the global communities existing today. Trans hate has no place in this forum, and Mr Feminist Dave Squirrel seriously get a life matey – lol!!

        How dare you (you all, yes y’all know who you are) bring down Transgender people, parents, however I am not saying I am all for the idea of a 7 year old biological girl being encouraged to be a boy. The whole matter is very complicated, and can not be assessed here in simplistic ways, however your opinions have been interesting and very much an eye opener. Personally I feel that all hormones and surgeries should only be given at adulthood, or at an age of 16 or above, where that person is aware of the condition and how it affects them.

        I may be Transgender, but that does not mean I am with the same mentality and mindset of other TG/TS people in similar lifestyles as me. I am ongoing in my transition, and have no way tried to fast track it. Infact I am very wary of the hormone therapy and certainly do not wish to inject them in my behind (I hate the idea of injections). Anyhow this is not about you or I, instead it is about a family who are concerned for their daughter/son’s well being. If he truly is Transgender then I hope he gets the help he so deserves; likewise if she is going through a phase of confusion then I hope she gets therapy to assist her with living a healthy life as the biological female she is.

        I think brain scans are a must to try and find out at early stages if the child has either a male or female type brain. Then this can be the foundations of ongoing analysis and assessments. Please think carefully about what you type here as not to completely offend the whole areas of L.G.B and importantly the T communities. How dare you say that we tranz are not important enough to be taken seriously, infact we are smart intellectuals also with a lot to offer this world like all the rest, regardless of our identified gender, sexuality or whatever. I am a Lesbian/Transbian and pround, and you other dykes or lipstick lezbo’s out there who can’t deal with it should go get a reality check and smell the Nescafe, Kenco or Cappucino at your nearest Cafe!!!

        This is the 21st Century not the stone age – so get real and stay with the programme (so long as it is not led by the illuminati demon agenda pretenders)!!

        Big up the one love global crew…..Enough said on all this.

    • kurukurushoujo Says:

      Tommy’s son lives as boy, dresses like a boy, acts like a boy, and tells his friends he is a boy.

      That doesn’t mean she is a boy.
      What Tommy could have done at least is to explain to teachers and pupils what trans means to avoid any trouble for her child. She didn’t- she wants to pull through with this incredibly stupid and damaging plan of pretending that her daughter is male to an extent where she can’t even see that there are dressing rooms, not only toilets. Her so-called “son” will never be integrated into the social life of boys because she does NOT have the body of a boy.
      What you and other people think is completely beside the point if you cannot see how children will react. I mean, do you seriously think that a majority of children actually know what trans means or have a grasp of queer theory? Are you insane? Not even the majority of people know what trans means: I had the privilege to sit in a medicine ethics class last semester and there were ca. 30 people studying to be a doctor. I seemed to be the only one to know what trans was! Talk to regular people for a change! Ye gods.

      Tommy is acting under the advice of physicians who have confirmed their son is transgender.

      Chances are great Tommy went to physicians who would do exactly what she wanted. Given the empiricial evidence up to this point children diagnosed with gender indentity disorder only very rarely go on to be trans later in life. But then again, it was a “physician” not a psychologist who could have made another decision. That’s not suspicious at all, is it? *sarcasm*

      • enadai Says:

        I’m disturbed that anyone would say a girl who wears boy clothes aka sneakers, baggy jeans, t-shirts “is body dysphoric” Those are boy clothes? Then every rural girl, every Native American, Inuit, fishers’ daughter, little girl out playing in the alley, every farm daughter on the tractor with her mom, in city playgrounds, climbing, running, etc is body dysphoric. This little girl has listened to her mother’s insanity ad nauseam tor seven years, trashing girl/woman drinking herself to a sot, terrifying the kid, all the while likely railing against being a women/girl. Who’d want to be a girl? This child is doing and saying what she has to to survive the insanity that surrounds her.

    • DaveSquirrel Says:

      Tommy’s son lives as boy, dresses like a boy, acts like a boy, and tells his friends he is a boy.

      Hey Joe – I reckon I live like a squirrel, dress like a squirrel, eat like a squirrel – so does this mean that you and everyone are going to offer me ‘support and acceptance’ of my squirrel, nay tranzsquirrel ‘condition’?

      Or are you and everyone going to see the situation for what it is – that I am ‘a nutter’ (squirrel pun there) and completely delusional about reality?

      Biological sex is just a fact. Just like I was born human (not squirrel). And yep, the sexism and misogyny sucks big time, but instead of (badly) pretending to be a man in order to avoid it, I am a feminist instead.

      Get rid of sexism, misogyny and stupid gender roles, is the way forward, not costly surgery, dangerous hormones, dangerous and unnecessary surgeries, instead of all this using surgical and chemical dress-ups to pretend something different.

  14. enadai Says:

    The only group of people I know who will tell you 7 year old children know what they want and have a “right” to make such serious life choices are pedophiles.

  15. DM Says:

    This “Tommy” is a total nut case. In her Livejournal found at http://theorising.livejournal.com/, she refers to the child as a daughter, age 4 in 2008, called Devon. The rest of the journal entries reveal a very lost and sad person, someone who drinks in the morning, hooks up with abusive men, and seems confused in every aspect of her life. What a mess.

    This entry tracks back to this Livejournal page http://stopping-t.livejournal.com/?skip=10 which gives her name in reference to an art exhibit as Tommy Theollyn of Townsend, GA. That’s how I identified it as the same person.

  16. Bev Jo Says:

    I agree, Noan and Dave and most of you. This is child abuse. Of course many little girls reject “girls” clothes, toys, etc., because they are demeaning and humiliating. It’s part of the process of being trained to accept an inferior position in life and many of us rejected that. So for her mother to turn that into her being mutilated and her brain permanently altered is horrific. Notice that “Tommy” actually looks quite feminine.

    I say this is a case of Munchhausen By Proxy, and is as serious abuse as other MBP, where a parent physically harms their child in order to look like the child an illness so the parent can get attention from doctors.

  17. Bev Jo Says:

    Again, thank you so much, Gallus, for continuing to expose the horror done to females by the dominant GBT movement.


  18. This is a clear-cut case of child abuse. You don’T take your child to see the docs unless there’s something wrong with them… Quacks will always say people/children need treatment, when they don’t because they make money out of it and have no concept of ethics.

    “The only group of people I know who will tell you 7 year old children know what they want and have a “right” to make such serious life choices are pedophiles.”

    Exactly Endai.

    LEAVE KIDS ALONE! STOP MEDICALIZING THEM FOR BEING STRONG ENOUGH TO RESIST CONFORMITY..

  19. awakening Says:

    this is just wrong in every way imaginable. not to mention harmful to children. although i’m very proud that my 10 year old daughter has claimed since she was 6 that she only likes girls, i do not force anything with her and never would expect the public to bend rules that make no sense either. i am so sad this is happening to children now. it’s one thing when a bunch of narcissistic, misogynistic men do this to themselves, quite another roping women and children into their cult. very sick indeed.

  20. luckynkl Says:

    Theollyn is pulling this noise in Georgia? Georgia?! As in the deep South, USA, Georgia?! Where the KKK still runs around in sheets and they want to charge women with murder for just having a miscarriage?! Is she crazy or something?! Never mind, I guess we already know the answer to that. Have another one, Theollyn. Maybe you can drink yourself and your daughter, male.

    I’m really concerned about the 7 yr old tho. She needs to be pulled out of there pronto before she gets raped and the living crap stomped out of her by those cracker boys, who will only be too happy to show her what sex she really is. I’d file this under the category of reckless endangerment of a child. Theollyn needs a straitjacket, not the ACLU.

    The good news is, the more exposure trans get, the sooner it will be curtains for them. Kurukurushoujo is right. The average person on the street doesn’t know what a trans is and would think you crazy if you attempted to explain it to them.

  21. Sig Says:

    Reading that Live Journal was sad. This Tommy has serious issues. And now she gets to put them on her child and perpetuate them, before that child has a chance to develop her own sense of self. Based on everything written there, I wonder if her “trans community” stepped in and helped her deal with her rape? It sounds like they didn’t. It sounds like Miller High Life helped her (or rather, didn’t help her).


  22. Wow. That woman can *write* . Now I feel even worse to know that a woman of her talent is wasting her energy on this–and she’s going to feel worse for it. “Trans” does not bring closure. Radical feminism does.

  23. Luckynkl Says:

    I just read Theollyn’s Live Journal blog too. She’s actually a really good writer. Don’t care much for the subject matter. But the writing is good.

    As for the subject matter, yikes. Violence, rape, abuse, incest? Abandonment and betrayal? I think all women are damaged under the patriarchy and snap under the weight of it. How could we not? As Audre Lorde said, “We were never meant to survive.” Our struggle for survival just manifests itself in different ways is all. Some ways more socially acceptable than others. Het, celibate, F2T, lesbian, radical feminist – they’re all defense mechanisms for women trying to survive under the patriarchy. I rated them in order – from the most socially acceptable to the least socially acceptable. It seems the more insubordinate and woman-centered one is, the less socially acceptable it is. Maybe F2Ts figure it’s the best way to escape rape? To pass as boys? But that theory doesn’t hold up. Because we are discriminated against, oppressed and raped because of our sex, not because of our gender. So I guess it doesn’t much matter which defense mechanism we choose. Het, celibate, F2Ts, lesbian. None of us gets to escape. Cuz as females, none of us were meant to survive. At least, not under patriarchy. Cuz under patriarchy, sex matters. It matters a lot.

    Personally, I’ve tried a lot of different hats on, just stumbling through life, trying to find my way over the obstacles and feeling my way through the dark. For those who say lesbians are the most oppressed, you’d be wrong. Common sense dictates lesbians have the least amount of contact with males. The more contact a female has with males, the more at risk, vulnerable, and oppressed she will be. So this is a no-brainer. Het women are going to be the most oppressed – and because of that, she will also be the most socially accepted under patriarchy. Because that’s what men want and they’re the ones who get to make up the rules and the social protocols, not women.

    Little boys are vulnerable too. All children are. But male vulnerability is not the same thing as female vulnerability. For one thing, children don’t stay children for long. They grow up. So little boys will not stay vulnerable for long. They will be groomed to be the predator, not the prey. Females are the target. Who can blame F2Ms for wanting to remove that bullseye from their behinds and for wanting to dodge that bullet? Well, it’s nice to want things, but the bottom line still remains sex. Men knew exactly what they were doing. They know it’s the one thing that cannot be changed or randomly bred out of the human race.

  24. enadai Says:

    Nope. This genre is called “masturbation” in the trade. Pathetic.

  25. enadai Says:

    I don’t have one iota of pity or admiration for this narcissistic hit ho. No seven year old talks that way. This is fiction.

  26. Bev Jo Says:

    It’s complicated, Lucky, but Lesbians are more oppressed than het women. We are poorer, with less access to basics, like food and housing. Het women (and then ex-het Lesbians) are far more likely to own houses. Lesbians are more likely to be fired and evicted. Het women are more likely to fire and evict Lesbians. In terms of het women being more oppressed because of contact with men — well, it’s a choice and they can stop being with men.Most won’t because of all the privilege they get, including feeling “normal” in comparison to Lesbians. And Lesbians are also singled out for rape and abuse, like the young Latina Lesbian they call “Jane Doe,” who was gang-raped and beaten almost to death because she is an obvious Butch.

  27. Chonky Says:

    Anyone else feeling the lezbo-oppression fatigue syndrome?

    Meanwhile at the batcave…..

    • GallusMag Says:

      WHAT THE FUCK????? I’ve deleted your offensive comments before AT YOUR REQUEST but this takes the fucking cake. Anyone who thinks homophobia doesn’t exist is BANNED including you ASSHOLE.

      • enadai Says:

        Hey GM. She is Lesbian. And I read the comment to be ‘taking the piss’. Other lesbians make offenseive comments here with impunity. I’m about tired of my het ass getting whupped, for ex. But since this is a Lesbian blog I don’t want special treatment. But banning a sister Lesbian?

    • Noanodyne Says:

      Nope, it’s not only you, Chonky, all those MRAs and TwanzRAs feel THE EXACT SAME WAY and will surely welcome you with open arms. Ta ta!!

  28. Barbara Di Bari Visconti Says:

    It’s so not true that the most oppressed women are the most socially acceptable under patriarchy. Black women are more oppressed than white women and have been so throughout our history, but they are not and never have been “more socially acceptable” than white women in patriarchy.

  29. GallusMag Says:

    Can we get back to commenting on things which relate to the posted article? That would be great. Thanks.

    @enadai- don’t worry- I seriously doubt chonky is crying into her pillow. Plenty of other places for her to post her one line zingers.

    Now, back to comments that relate to the posted topic in some way. Thanks.

  30. awakening Says:

    any F2T that tells you otherwise is lying – yes they ARE escaping or trying to overcome issues. i’m only glad i never started medication or did any surgeries before i came to my senses. it took nearly a year though to release me from this delusional thinking, how sad for this poor child.

    i have not read janice raymond’s “transsexual empire” book but i believe she probably would have called it a cult. she would be right.


  31. I don’t understand how lesbians are poorer than single mothers who can’t work because of their childcare responsibilities

  32. Bev Jo Says:

    What the hell can we do to stop nutcases like Tommy from permanently damaging her daughter? Now that all the trans crap is taken seriously, then this is the result. I remember the radio interview from 1997 with a woman who was being taught by psychologists to accept that her three-year-old girl must be a “transsexual” because she didn’t want to wear dresses. After being told, that she had to because she was a girl, she told her mother she was a boy. Then she was told boys had penises, so she said she wanted one. When they explained what it was, she adamantly said she did not want a penis. She just wanted to be treated as well as boys are.

    Once the hormones are started, the damage is done.

  33. SheilaG Says:

    Some single mothers I know, in addition to their own income, get child support after divorces. Lesbians can be poorer because of blatant discrimination in the world place, compared to single het women.

    If you have non-white added to lesbian, or working class added to lesbian, you have even more barriers to higher paying jobs… that plus the blatant harassment lesbians deal with with men on the job…that’s how lesbian remain poor. And you don’t see social service agencies falling all over themselves to support lesbians either.

    • GallusMag Says:

      Tommy is NOT a single lesbian mother- I already clarified that. She is a partnered lesbian mother. I can’t imagine that CBL was implying that lesbian single mothers don’t deal with homophobia in addition to single motherhood. Obviously Lesbian single mothers deal with homophobia, Black single mothers deal with racism, Poor women deal with poverty as well as single motherhood, etc. CBL’s comment was awkwardly worded but I can’t imagine she is claiming that racism and homophobia and poverty don’t exist. The single mother vs. Lesbian construct of her comment does seem to erase Lesbian single motherhood but I’m sure she will clarify what she meant. At any rate, the mother featured in this post is not single.

      • Signý Says:

        I read it as CBL comparing lesbians without children to single mothers, b/c she mentioned the additional burden of childcare costs. It does make lesbian single mothers invisible, but I don’t think that CBL was intending to do that.


  34. “Now that all the trans crap is taken seriously”
    But for how long? The results are horrifying so someday people will wake up. But it takes time to realize this.

    • GallusMag Says:

      I think it’s starting! The more people know about trans the less they’re buying. I think trans people are starting to wake up to the fiction of gender as well. At least the more reflective intelligent trans.

  35. yttik Says:

    It is kind of interesting that these parents are getting away with this, in Georgia of all places. I wonder how much of that privilege has to do with them appearing to be male? Generally mothers are policed like crazy, judged and criticized for petty things.

    It’s confusing and complicated, but these two parents are not lesbians, they’re a couple of fathers. At least that’s how they present themselves. This is a male dominated family, since the two parents claim to be males and claim the child is a boy. I suspect the response to them is different because of that, because I sure can’t imagine a single mother, even a married het mother, getting away with something like this. Lesbians mothers often face custody fears, worry about losing their children to the system. These two seem to be operating totally outside of that reality. Why? The only explanation I can come up with is that they have accessed some male privilege and some trans privilege.

    • Barbara Di Bari Visconti Says:

      Maybe they’re getting away with it because they’re supporting trans ideology, which is supporting male ideology in the end.

  36. Bev Jo Says:

    I agree, yttik. It’s the power of male privilege, even when it’s a fantasy identity and illusion. A non-feminist friend, after watching the support that the most repulsive local male impersonators (claiming to be Lesbians) get, asked why this is happening. Even though they are not liked and are often alone at events, these men still get far more support than any woman gets who objects to being harassed by them. (I’m not talking about objecting to their presence destroying “women only” space — that’s a given.) So it has got to be just the fact that they are still men. Men always get more support than women. And so, in this case, again fantasy and illusion, the fact that this feminine woman claims male identity means she is managing to get enough of male privilege that there is a different standard for her than there would be for another woman abusing her little girl like this.

  37. KatieS Says:

    The Munchausen by proxy syndrome that you mention is interesting here, Bev Jo. I never thought about this before in terms of these parents of children who they claim are transsexual. It’s chilling.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchausen_syndrome_by_proxy

  38. Bev Jo Says:

    We need to invent a new term now for parents who present their child as “transgender” in order to get fame and fortune. Considering that most, if not all “transsexuals” are narcissists, I’m guessing this will increase.

  39. Soran Says:

    Now, assuming that there is such a thing as a male brain trapped in a female body, and that some particular biological process leads to this result in a certain percentage of the population…

    That this would happen in both a parent and their child is a statistical impossibility.

  40. DaveSquirrel Says:

    Here is a related story, from Australia. Apparently a lesbian foster-parent couple – “dressed [a six year old boy] in girl’s clothes and the humiliating pictures were posted on the couple’s Facebook page”.

    And one of the lesbian couple is apparently undergoing a “sex change”.

    http://www.news.com.au/national/lesbian-foster-couple-put-six-year-old-boy-in-girls-clothes-and-post-photos-on-facebook/story-e6frfkvr-1226134422557

    I find it odd, that in this day and age, that it can be ‘humiliating’ (for a boy) to be dressed in ‘girls clothing’. It’s odd, because no one comments how humiliating it is that some parents dress their little girls in head to toe in fairy pink outfits either. Or maybe the crap that is deemed ‘girls clothing’ is humiliating full stop? No outrage that girls have to wear it.

    So are the Aussie transjacktivists all over this? Will they fight on behalf of lesbians, one of whom is ‘twanz’? Or is the transjacktivist preoccupation merely confined to M2Ts getting into women’s restrooms?

  41. Barbara Di Bari Visconti Says:

    I find it odd, that in this day and age, that it can be ‘humiliating’ (for a boy) to be dressed in ‘girls clothing’. It’s odd, because no one comments how humiliating it is that some parents dress their little girls in head to toe in fairy pink outfits either. Or maybe the crap that is deemed ‘girls clothing’ is humiliating full stop? No outrage that girls have to wear it.

    This. I couldn’t agree more.

  42. Tommy Theollyn Says:

    Hello all,

    I am Tommy Theollyn, and I am just dropping by to let y’all know that it’s time to cease and desist. This is character defamation and cyber bullying, both of which are illegal. My attorney will be contacting the site administrators, and this page and any page with my name and face and work on it, or any specific links or mention of my child, need to come down immediately.

    • GallusMag Says:

      Hey Tommy. I’m sorry to inform you that articles critical of your actions and media campaign are completely legal. Just because you don’t like someone’s opinion doesn’t mean it is illegal for them to speak.
      I’m curious why you don’t remove your online postings yourself- the ones where you discuss starting drinking in the morning, looking for a man to beat you up, the pictures you posted of your child on public sites (which I did not publish) and the pictures you posted on public sites of your partner performing cunnilingus on you (which I also did not publish or even mention in my piece). I DO have copies of all of the above, however I chose not to publish for the sake of your poor little girl.
      LOL you demanding that we not discuss your media campaign!!! LMAO. Hey did you write to any other sites demanding they not mention your campaign, demanding they cease and desist linking to your published writings and to published articles at the Atlanta Journal Constitution???? Hahaha. No, you just thought you would bully a feminist site critical of your actions and beliefs.

      • GallusMag Says:

        BTW Tommy- how did your meeting go yesterday with the Todd Grant Elementary School Board?

        http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/15479829/family-seeks-equality-for-transgendered-student

      • sipiy Says:

        I wonder, will the newspaper be told to remove the article(s) and will they too be subject to litigation threats? After the fact of her complicity to her15 mins of fame at her child’s expense.

        P.S. You need new fairy kit Tommy. It’s looking tacky. Yes, on my own, independent of anything GM has found, I’ve seen the shots too. Well as has everyone in your hit counter.

      • GallusMag Says:

        In essence Tommy is saying (paraphrasing): “You have no right to publish links to things I’ve published online and no right to mention my public media campaign” LOLOLOLOLOLOL
        What on earth???
        I’ve shown GREAT RESTRAINT in the PUBLIC, EASILY AVAILABLE information I used for my reporting and commentary. For the sake of the child.
        There is WAY MORE I could have published Tommy- and you know it!

      • Tommy Theollyn Says:

        The mistake you make is when you call it child abuse. Reporting and expressing opinions is one thing. Calling it child abuse is defamation. Following me from blog to blog posting comments is cyber bullying. I am not speaking from ignorance or with a wish to bully, but from legal advice. As I said, my attorney will be contacting you shortly.

        Personally, I understand the complexities of gender issues, as well as the complexities of a feminist movement that we, together, are a part of. This is a huge conversation to have, although I would not call this a conversation. Important and complex dialogues tend to go better when they begin with respectful discourse. You are not creating change in the world, but fostering shame, bitterness, and hurt. You are hurting my family, which is ironically what you claim to be invested in speaking against. Regardless of what you may think of me, this produces nothing positive for you,this site, my family, our respective feminist communities, and the human universal discourse of compassion and connection. Outside of legal the legal dialog to follow, I ask you to re-examine what you believe you are achieving by speaking of anyone in these terms.

        I acknowledge your humanity and concern for the well being of the world, and I ask that you acknowledge mine. It is possible to respectfully and compassionately disagree.

    • DaveSquirrel Says:

      Good gawd. Is there some sort of Tranny Faux-Legal Speak School or what? You and Collina (another media hound) would make a lovely couple, except he prefers his with actual penis, not pretendy-packing.

      You are certainly going the right way to get child services called in on your case. If your lawyer was any good s/he would have advised you to take down a lot of the questionable stuff you posted online yourself, which is way more damaging than any critique of the tranz thing here. The bad news is that frequently it is still available on Google cache or Wayback.

      Here’s the thing about being a media hound – sure, you might find one or two journos that are sympathetic, but you then set yourself up as somewhat of a public figure, or newsworthy content, which will invite others to speak about it. You cannot control internet personal commentary. It only pegs you as a complete idiot if you think you can.

      • GallusMag Says:

        And it really does speak for itself that Theollyn finds not a single point of inaccuracy in my reporting, or my comments to her. I work hard to report accurately, and consider my efforts affirmed by the subject in this case.

      • DaveSquirrel Says:

        Very true.

        Even commentary here (for example, from moi) indicating the likelihood of children’s services being called is true. ‘Gender’ won’t necessarily protect her from this. Tranz is not necessarily the guaranteed escape for females from female discrimination, just ask Chaz and her cheese buying habits – she is still deemed female, and is reported in a way restricted to (fat) females.

        http://twanzphobic.wordpress.com/2011/09/07/cha-cha-chaz-not-a-dude/

  43. sipiy Says:

    “You have no right to publish links to things I’ve published online and no right to mention my public media campaign”

    Huh? We have no right to publicly mention your (self-described) public media campaign?

    LOL.

  44. Tommy Theollyn Says:

    GallusMag, in response to how the board meeting went: If this is a reporting site and you do wish to interview me, you will need to contact the national ACLU media department to request an interview.

  45. GallusMag Says:

    @ Tommy Theollyn: “The mistake you make is when you call it child abuse. Reporting and expressing opinions is one thing. Calling it child abuse is defamation. Following me from blog to blog posting comments is cyber bullying. I am not speaking from ignorance or with a wish to bully, but from legal advice. As I said, my attorney will be contacting you shortly.”

    The mistake YOU make is that I NEVER said a THING about child abuse. Not in my article, and not in the comments. AND I never commented on ANY blogs you were on. Your FALSE accusations are defamatory, not to mention bizarre. But since you brought up the topic on my blog and made FALSE statements about what I have posted, I will answer the issue you have raised. Do I think what is being done to your daughter is worthy of evaluation by child protective services? Yes, I do. Thank you for asking. Now that I have refuted your false and defamatory claims, AND answered your concerns, I will ask you to refrain from making incendiary and false accusations against me. Thanks.

    Additionally, it is perfectly legal to opine certain behavior as abusive in opinion pieces and commentary (although in this instance I had not done so in any context and your accusations are false, groundless, defamatory and indeed actionable.) People do so all the time, although I hadn’t. In fact, you yourself just did so in your comment, along with your false accusations.

    And are you bullying and making false claims against those who have offered such an opinion? No, you are only singling me out. Why is that? Is it because I am a feminist? Or because I am a woman and a lesbian, and you are an ex-woman and ex-lesbian? One can only speculate why you directed your false, abusive, defamatory accusations towards me alone.

    Whatever the reason for your outrageous behavior, I ask you to desist.

  46. You Dont Need To Push a Person Down To Have 'Em Look Up To You Says:

    squirrel-nut-job and the Dirt in your eyes…

    You are all sad empty sacks

    – I’m referring to that empty space.. not between your legs (gutter-mouths) but higher up – you know where a heart used to be.

    No no, not your sleeve, higher… I’d say perhaps depending on height (*cough) 6 inches from that Chip on your Shoulder.

    There you found it!
    No, not your heart – You sold that years ago for when you first believed you have to Push a Person Down for them to look up to you.

    Sad sacks the two of you.
    And in all seriousness… instead of fearing the bogey-men I’d concentrate on all the people your completely ignorant comments have offended – just because they can type doesn’t mean they’re all sane – – well duh! I mean just look at dirt and squirrel for brains!

    But only Dirty-little-Secret will even See this comment b/c like you do now, you delete the ones that you don’t like. Just like any self-absorbed would-have-made-a-great-nazi will do.

    p.s. we have 2 names because on our ID’s you got the First Name, then a Middle name and then the Surname – also known as The Last Name. I saw that this was a point of confusion and giggles earlier and I’m always here to help those who can’t help themselves.

    Mercy is highly under-rated

    When you concentrate entirely on WHAT a person is.. You completely miss WHO they are.

    Failed Knight

  47. Bev Jo Says:

    Thank you, Squirrel Heart — I needed a good laugh. Keep the nutcases coming, Gallus. It’s so revealing. Projection. They are heartless — it’s all about them and their never-ending narcissism. No care or concern for females who want to be away from them. Of course we just don’t count compared to men!

  48. GallusMag Says:

    ACLU Georgia:
    http://www.thegavoice.com/index.php/news/georgia-news/3283-aclu-steps-in-to-aid-transgender-ga-elementary-student

    “The ACLU of Georgia believes that schools should provide a safe and supportive environment in which all students are respected and offered an equal opportunity to learn and thrive without regard to their race, color, national origin, religion, disability, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression.”

    What is missing from that list? Sex of course. The ACLU of Georgia omits support and equal opportunity based on sex.

    (Bolding Mine).

    • Thursday's Child Says:

      What a joke that statement is. They’re doing the new thing of using “gender” as a synonym for “sex”, which has the effect of trivializing biological sex. Also, *two* of those categories by which one is not supposed to discriminate (gender identity, gender expression) are mostly trans specific (three if you count “gender”), whereas only one (sexual orientation) is lesbian/gay/bi specific, and only one (gender) is sex specific, less if you consider that “gender” is not really sex.

  49. Jane Says:

    Hey, I’m a rich person now. Wheres my Limousine? Lets all just reorder the universe to be whatever we want.

  50. Jane Says:

    So to extend this woman philosophy… is she also a lumberjack because she’s wearing the shirt? Is it now 1955 and hiphop dosn’t exist? When did crazy become an acceptable standard? Hey, I’m dressed like a rock and roller in a leather jacket wheres my grammy? Far out…


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