Texas Man Marries Woman

October 17, 2011

Not much of a headline is it? A man in Texas, once divorced, the father of a 17 year old girl, takes a new wife. Rumor has it he has impregnated her and they are starting a new family. Several news stories have been published about the marriage, but none of them identify the wife by name. But they do mention the husband, a successful IT software executive that markets technology to the defense industry. His name is Meghan Stabler, and he is the only transgender board member of the allegedly largest LGBT organization in the U.S. : The Human Rights Campaign.

Proud Moob Owner Mr. Meghan Stabler

Meghan is a self-described “Alpha Male” with strong genderist beliefs from a young age:

“Simply put, my emotional and psychological gender was not in alignment with my genetic, physiological sex. This is not an acquired condition; rather, it is an intrinsic part, a lifelong aspect of my being, something that I, and many others are born with.”

Some quotes where he describes his sex-role discomfort:

“I could have gotten an Oscar for my acting.  I tried to do that ‘let’s go play golf, have a cigar, and drink a lot of beer’ stuff and hated it. You can’t say it out loud that it is revolting because you are trying to be one of the guys.”

“9/11 happened in 2001. People that I’d known either lost their lives or families were impacted.  It is when I realized that many people didn’t get a chance to say goodbye or to say they truth about their lives.  And I felt because I had been successful in a business career, I wanted to feel comfortable as to who I was and not live a lie.”

““Transitioning is not the same as just saying ‘I’m gay or I’m lesbian’ because people don’t have to out themselves if they don’t want to. When you transition, it a physical transformation that people will absolutely begin to see over a period of time.  The risk/stakes of this game are extremely high.”

 “I had to figure out how could deal with [trans-itioning] but keep the career that I love..”

Mr Stabler joined the HRC board in 2008 to fight for the desires of transgenders: to force the public at large to act as if social sex roles (“Gender”) are legally tied to one’s reproductive sex. In other words, in his view- which he sought to enshrine into law against the wishes of feminists worldwide- sex role stereotypes must be legally enforced by

1.) legally establishing that sex roles, long disputed by women as being artificial and culturally imposed traditions designed to enforce second-class status on the female sex class, are innate. And

2.) That such sex role stereotypes (“gender”) require legal enforcement and protections to prevent erosion by gender-nonbelievers. And

3.) That the public at large must be legally compelled to act as if they believe in the supposedly innate nature of sex-roles, even if they do not believe.

4.) That any stated or acted upon disbelief in sex-roles (gender) by the public at large should be criminalized.

5.) That protections against sex discrimination should be erased and the legal category “sex” be replaced with sex-role, or “Gender”, an internal, invisible, subjective and unquantifiable belief.

6.) That legal sex be replaced with sex-role categories retroactively on historical documents of all types, from public news reports to birth certificates.

7.) That all the above should be moot in cases where a transgender decides that gender isn’t real, but only for them. In other words, that transgenders, unlike any other citizens, have the unique right to skirt the very same now codified and protected legal status of “gender” that they have themselves lobbied for. It’s like a “special snowflake” exemption reserved only for them. It says (paraphrasing): “I am a male who demands to be deemed legally female, and I demand that all females lose all legal rights related to sex, in order to protect my right to have my belief in the immutability of sex-roles legally affirmed.”

In ENDA testimony before the Texas legislature on March 30, 2011 Mr Stabler testified that he was now “labeled as a Lesbian” as so many heterosexual male transgenders claim. But last week he did something no Lesbian in the state of Texas has ever been able to do (besides impregnating women): He married his wife. That’s right! He invoked the special snowflake exemption listed as #7 above. He re-claimed the mantle of his male privilege and retracted his claims of being female and a “Lesbian” and had him a good old-fashioned heterosexual wedding.

http://lgbtweekly.com/2011/10/13/hrc-trans-board-member-marries-as-sex-opposite-of-post-op-gender/

This points out the ridiculousness of not only the “special snowflake exemption”, but the whole premise of his entire Genderist legal platform.

If male “Lesbians” can opt to claim male privilege and heterosexual privilege, what special protections does their Genderism need exactly?

Why do people who have more privileges than any person born female (not only from the moment of birth, but for their entire lives, regardless of any arbitrary and fluctuating  Genderist “trans-ition”) need protections from the legal category of female sex? Why do female rights need to be eliminated, indeed even the legal classification of sex need to be eliminated to support the internal, personal, self-reported, invisible, changeable, unquantifiable sex-role beliefs of Genderists?

Males already have the legal right under title VII to be free from discrimination based on non-compliance with traditional sex-role stereotypes. We don’t need to eliminate the legal category of sex to protect the rights of individual’s private gender  beliefs and fantasies.

[all bolding mine-GM]

120 Responses to “Texas Man Marries Woman”

  1. Bev Jo Says:

    Thank you, once again, Gallus. It’s all about privileged sense-of-entitlement. It’s all about men.

  2. dyksfunctional Says:

    Oh! Oh THIS is going to be EPIC in that typical and predictable scenario.

    First the TS are going to go be freaking slipping over their “banana peels” to point out how very different TS [transsexuals] are to TG [trans-gender].

    Then all the trans-apologists are going to reprimand everyone who has ANY opinion regarding the situation outside of… “Well I [as oppose to YOU] am open minded enough to see that this is all about L.o.v.e. All the best to the happy couple blah, blah, blah… kumbaya… release the wedding doves and see how open minded I am as oppose to YOU closed minded transphobes!?! I’m open minded DAMMIT!”

    Meanwhile “open minded” is actually another code word for… “just tell me what to think so i don’t look bad [insert smiley face icon here]”

    Then… THEN… look at how ABSOLUTELY ridiculous the HRC is looking having a TG id’d “lesbian” Board Member who does EXACTLY what many vocal lesbians have been saying for decades… male privilege will never be covered up w/a Clinique over the counter mall make-over and Lane Bryants outfit.

    Mr. Stabler… I wish you the best in your future nuptials. I’m sure you will be a stunning bride. You will have the wedding you dreamed of ever since you were a little boy.

    See what open minded ACTUALLY looks and reads like?

    • GallusMag Says:

      lol Clinique and Lane Bryants. I’m sure he buys some fancy-ass make-up with all that defense industry cash.
      I love how he says “And I felt because I had been successful in a business career, I wanted to feel comfortable as to who I was and not live a lie.”
      In other words, he can afford – and deserves- to play “dress-up” (as Dave the squirrel might say) BECAUSE he’s been successful in business. Has there ever been a man alive who didn’t feel he EARNED and DESERVED his male privilege???
      Has there ever been a one who says “Good thing I’m a white male in the USA. Secret to my success”. NOOOOOOOOOO. There isn’t one. To a man, they all believe they EARNED that privilege, they DESERVE it, and they are all special snowflakes.

      • dyksfunctional Says:

        The male privilege in this ENTIRE scenario doesn’t surprise anyone who refuses to regurgitate the “open minded” rhetoric. The OP breakdown of Mr. Stablers “work” as an HRC “lesbian” male2t Board Member deserves some serious attention.

        It’s EXACTLY this type of information/detailed analysis of male privilege at work that proves the male2t POLITICAL charade.

        The part that actually kind of made me **clutch my pearls in mock horror** was the 911 “angle”. WOWZA!!!! 911 made Stabler trans-gender? Oh no. 911 made him “brave” enough to honor those who lost their lives… because he somehow knows they were not living their true lives.

        Huh? That’s a new one I have to admit. But I swear I could hear Lee Greenwood practically singing in the back ground…. ” I’m proud to be an American where at least I know I’m free, And I won’t forget the men who died who gave that right to me,”

        Maybe it’s a Texas thaaang.

        Spinning 911 victims is CLASSIC politics.

      • DaveSquirrel Says:

        Yup, the 9-11 reference was a completely insincere appropriation, and highly offensive.

      • Random Radfem Says:

        The 911 angle is amazing. This wasn’ t spontaneous feminization because of a root canal or switching to soy lattes, like some other TG tales. This was bigger, badder, and more American. Thanks for the video, GM, it really pulls it all together!!

  3. Loup-loup garou Says:

    Someday, I hope women will be able to keep the careers they love without having to do the compulsory femininity shuffle. Meanwhile, ladies, keep on doing that “let’s go see a rom com, then have tea and talk about the adorable thing our cats did today” thing, no matter how much you hate it. Otherwise, someone might think your emotional gender (whatever the hell that is) isn’t aligned with your physiological sex — and if that’s the case, you’re obviously not management material.

    Btw, wasn’t there a Simpsons episode where Marge runs for office, (or tries to get an ordinance passed or something like that), and discovers that as long as she shouts “September 11th!” every so often, she can get people to support anything?”

  4. DaveSquirrel Says:

    Thank you for blogging this GM, I was going to, but you have done a far superior job.

    Number 7 is the immediately obvious contradiction and hypocrisy of their speshul snowflake status. They want it both ways. Always have, even with their assertion to be treated the same as FABs, they still want to be treated as a speshul class of woman who does not have to put up with the nasty icky stuff of ‘woman’.

    I had not heard that wife #2 might have been impregnated by him. I guess we KNOW his tackle status then.

    • GallusMag Says:

      Executive dude- could be freezered sperm. He has claimed he had a “sex change” but lord knows these guys lie constantly, so who knows…

    • GallusMag Says:

      Come to think about it, he waffled about SRS during his ENDA testimony.
      He said: “Eventually I received treatment through accepted medical practices for Gender Identity Disorder. While the types of medical or other treatments range widely, I took the necessary steps to change my physical gender from male to female.”

      • GallusMag Says:

        Good bet he’s still packin’.

      • DaveSquirrel Says:

        I received treatment through accepted medical practices for Gender Identity Disorder. While the types of medical or other treatments range widely, I took the necessary steps to change my physical gender from male to female

        Oh yeah, he’s packing alright. This is double speak for “I didn’t have full SRS, just the stuff required for the paperwork”. Like Sandeen and his deballing, it was all about qualifying for the paperwork, and not the “I’m rilly a woman and I wants a mangina!”.

        Fucking liars.

      • GallusMag Says:

        Maybe he thinks Facial Feminization Surgery made him female. I think Dr. Meltzer took too much off the chin, personally. It accentuates the large male neck.

    • chris cook Says:

      Not true – it was a donor, go ask the wife and stop be an a-hole

      • GallusMag Says:

        So says you. He could have had an orchie and frozen his sperm. In the video posted above he says after his corrective surgery his eyes were swollen shut. That’s FFS, not SRS. Would Meltzer do full SRS and FFS one after the other, working for 12-14 hours while the patient was under anesthesia all that time? Not to mention the obvious potential post-operative complications? Highly unlikely. But he could have had FFS, breast implants, trach shave and an orchie. Why don’t you call Meltzer’s office and ask, then report back to us. Thanks.

    • Sargasso Sea Says:

      I was going to say: He may not have his rod but he’s certainly got his reel!

      But then I read all the other comments and watched about 14 seconds of the video and all I need to say now is:

      Gawd, what an(other) entitled dick.

      (Excellent post Gallus.)

  5. SheilaG Says:

    Is there any man alive that believes he didn’t “earn’ that promotion? Or in this case earn the Lane Bryant and Clinique?

    Little slow on this catch up here… so this guy is on the board of HRC, and he says he’s a lesbian? Anyone know what the male/female (born i.e.) ratio is on the HRC board? I’m willing to bet it’s mostly men, and now they can add fake lesbians….just perfect.

    LOL… Sheila the Lizard

    • Diego Says:

      Hi, Sheila. Meghan Stabler, a naturalized U.S. citizen, is medically and legally female, even on all of her documents except the male-born British birth certificate which, because of some relationship between the U.K. and the state of Texas, will not her allow her to change her gender marker on that.

      She’s completed SRS, not that she owes that explanation to anyone, but it’s true. There was a time in her life when she could afford that, since we have been unable thus far to recognize medically necessary procedures as such in the U.S. Today, she struggles as most other women do. She did not save sperm before her sex reassignment surgeries, and they have a friend who was kind enough to provide them a sperm donation for insemination.

      Perhaps all of the libelous writing and ignorant (i.e. lack of knowledge, not stupid — ignorant) speculation doesn’t seem hurtful or malicious to those spewing it, but it is painful to know that some are proud to be cruel even when they don’t have or use directly pertinent facts. Diego

      • GallusMag Says:

        Considering the UK Gender Recognition act does not exclude individuals living in countries or provinces which don’t recognize transgenderism from changing their UK birth certificates, I will have to take your willful, maliciously false version of “pertinent facts” with a massive grain of salt.
        It appears that you simply want to ignore and erase the views of your political opponents (women) out of ignorance and cruelty.

      • GallusMag Says:

        I have to laugh at this guy coming in to defend the privileges of his “Lesbian Brother” while totally ignoring and disregarding every single issue raised by this post.
        Awww, you guys never change.

      • GallusMag Says:

        Also, I do believe Stabler enjoys dual citizenship. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.

      • GallusMag Says:

        “Meghan Stabler, a naturalized U.S. citizen, is medically and legally female..”
        A demonstrably false statement. First of all, Meghan is biologically male. That is not under dispute. Secondly, there is no medical standard for legal JENDER in his country of origin. No medical body mod is required by the UK Gender Recognition act.
        Additionally, Meghan has legally declared himself MALE in order to marry in Texas. Therefore, he is LEGALLY MALE. Which you would know if you had actually read the post you are commenting on.
        Pertinent facts and all……

      • GallusMag Says:

        ” Today, she struggles as most other women do.”
        As this post makes so clear, men like Stabler do not lose male privilege after trans-itioning. As any transsexual will tell you, the second their true sex is known they are treated vastly differently than when they were “passing” as the other sex. Someone like Stabler, who can never “pass”, never loses his male privilege. He may be lower on the totem pole of male privilege than a more Jender conforming male, but he is still treated as male with all the male privileges accorded those who are male. Or do you mean that he has cramps when he menstruates?

      • GallusMag Says:

        Perhaps what you MEANT to say is that Meghan Stabler is free to dress and act any way he wants, and to be free from discrimination and male violence while doing so, and the fact that he is LEGALLY MALE creates no hardship on him or other transgenders whatsoever, as proved by this post. Therefor no purpose is served by erasing the category of legal sex and substituting it with “Gender” or “Sex Role”, which by their very nature are based on, and codify sexist anti-female stereotypes. If that’s what you MEANT to say, then I agree.


      • Well I know this is exactly the way I struggle:

        “Today, she struggles as most other women do. She did not save sperm before her sex reassignment surgeries, blah blah blah”.

        Gallus I think this commenter motored on over from the Ms sex ed blog, where they’re desperately in need of Biology 101. Many there are “female bodied”, while others are “male bodied”. The ingenuity. Does it never end?

      • chris cook Says:

        Diego, If you read “GallusMag” below she/it will tell you that the GRA in the UK will allow Meghan to change. Sadly, the all knowing GallusMag is wrong, Texas is one of four states that the GRA does not recognize. If you are a resident of that Lone Star state you cannot have your GRS recognized…

        GallusRag, read it here and consider a mia culpa; http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2011/9780111510810/schedule “…the District of Columbia and all of the States of the United States of America except for Idaho, Ohio, Tennessee and Texas”

      • chris cook Says:

        Diego, If you read “GallusMag” below she/it will tell you that the GRA in the UK will allow Meghan to change. Sadly, the all knowing GallusMag is wrong, Texas is one of four states that the GRA does not recognize. If you are a resident of that Lone Star state you cannot have your GRS recognized…

        GallusRag, read it here and consider a mia culpa; http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2011/9780111510810/schedule “…the District of Columbia and all of the States of the United States of America except for Idaho, Ohio, Tennessee and Texas.”

      • chris cook Says:

        Diego, If you read “GallusMag” below she/it will tell you that the GRA in the UK will allow Meghan to change. Sadly, the all knowing GallusMag is wrong, Texas is one of four states that the GRA does not recognize. If you are a resident of that Lone Star state you cannot have your GRS recognized…

        GallusRag read it here and consider a mia culpa; http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2011/9780111510810/schedule “…the District of Columbia and all of the States of the United States of America except for Idaho, Ohio, Tennessee and Texas”

      • chris cook Says:

        Diego, If you read “GallusMag” below she/it will tell you that the GRA in the UK will allow Meghan to change. Sadly, the all knowing GallusMag is wrong, Texas is one of four states that the GRA does not recognize. If you are a resident of that Lone Star state you cannot have your GRS recognized…

        GallusDRag read it here and consider a mia culpa; http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2011/9780111510810/schedule “…the District of Columbia and all of the States of the United States of America except for Idaho, Ohio, Tennessee and Texas”

      • chris cook Says:

        Diego, If you read “GallusDrag” below she/it will tell you that the GRA in the UK will allow Meghan to change. Sadly, the all knowing GallusMag is wrong, Texas is one of four states that the GRA does not recognize. If you are a resident of that Lone Star state you cannot have your GRS recognized…

        GallusDRag read it here and consider a mia culpa; http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2011/9780111510810/schedule “…the District of Columbia and all of the States of the United States of America except for Idaho, Ohio, Tennessee and Texas”

      • GallusMag Says:

        Chris, you’ve embarrassed yourself. Five times, repeatedly for some reason.
        Applicants for Gender Recognition who live in a province not listed on the approved county or territory page simply have to apply through the regular Gender Recognition application.
        Quote:
        “A country or territory which is not included in the subordinate legislation is not an approved country or territory. Applications in these circumstances must be made on the basis of having lived for a certain length of time in the acquired gender. For more information, please refer to:

        Standard application processes.”

        http://www.justice.gov.uk/guidance/courts-and-tribunals/tribunals/gender-recognition-panel/overseas-application-process.htm

        All that means is that they are ineligible for the Overseas Track Application, and must use the regular gender recognition application, which is based on documented time living “in the acquired gender”. Acceptable evidence includes:
        Quote:

        “Evidence could take a variety of forms, below are some examples:
        • Letters from official, professional or business organisations or from friends or
        family that is dated from 2 years ago or more.
        • Utility bills;
        • Official documentation (eg driving licence both the counterpart and photo
        ID, passport );
        • A statutory declaration or deed poll registering a change of name;
        • Academic documentation (if you were a student during the relevant period);
        • An official letter from your employer or from an individual in a professional role
        (eg a solicitor, doctor, dentist, MP, etc …) who knows you on a personal basis.
        This list is not exhaustive but is just intended as a guideline.”

        Really, all-knowing Chris Cock, best not to speak on things you know nothing about. Repeating yourself doesn’t make falsehoods any truer!

      • GallusMag Says:

        “The Panel only wishes to see two different
        documents that demonstrate that you have been living in your new gender full time
        for two years prior to the date of your application.”

        That’s it. That and a note from two care providers that one has been diagnosed with GID. (No evidence of treatment need be given).
        Quite an easy process, really.

      • bugbrennan Says:

        Hi Diego –

        Hope you are well. I like and respect you, and I like and respect Meghan. But when you say things like “Today, she struggles as most other women do” in response to a post where legitimate criticism is raised over Meghan’s decision to rely on her birth certificate – which classifies her as male – to marry her female partner, my head explodes from the cognitive dissonance.

        I don’t begrudge anyone taking steps to protect their families, ever. But there is a legitimate question to ask here – what does it mean that a leader at Human Rights Campaign, which claims to represent the G(little l)BT community in the fight for marriage equality, relies on what I will call heterosexual privilege to wed? I have straight friends who have refused to get married until I can (in all 50 plus DC). Is it wrong for our community – if we are one community – to expect that from our “leaders”? Along the same lines, when that does happen, is it wrong for people to acknowledge that such an act does not seem consistent with the goal of advancing marriage equality for same-sex couples?

        I tried to think through the idea that Meghan’s decision to marry heterosexually somehow “f*cks with the system,” which seems to be the line they are pumping out at PHB. Sadly, that’s not the case. The system in Texas is functioning EXACTLY as the Texas Legislature wants it to – allowing only heterosexual couples to wed.

        So, no, as a lesbian, I cannot go to every state and get married to my female partner of choice, so I suspect – nay, I KNOW – that Meghan doesn’t struggle with the same things as I (or any lesbian) does on that front. Again, I don’t begrudge her decision – but it’s a PERSONAL decision, not a political one. It was done for her own gain (and that of her family, which, again, I have no beef with), not to advance a legislative goal of marriage equality. Let’s not pretend otherwise (again, as they are blabbing about on PHB – please especially check out Laurel Rameyer’s idiotic “analysis” re domestic partnerships). Indeed, I would suspect that Meghan herself doesn’t view this as a political decision.

        And so, the question is, do we (as a LESBIAN community) have a right to question or criticize? Of course we do. I am just not sure what any of this means – I am still thinking about it. At the very least maybe it is one more steps towards lesbians realizing they are not being served by the organizations that claim the L in their acronyms.

        I wish Meghan a happy marriage with her wife.

      • Kathrin Says:

        @bugbrennan:

        For what it’s worth, I agree with you on the cognitive dissonance. The system sucks, but it’s unfair (and intellectually dishonest) to shout “I’m female, I’m female, I’m female”… until the moment it’s in one’s best interest not to.

        “Along the same lines, when that does happen, is it wrong for people to acknowledge that such an act does not seem consistent with the goal of advancing marriage equality for same-sex couples?”

        Certainly not.

        For me, I had the option (legally speaking) of marrying pretty much anyone, although it might end up being declared void at some later date. I couldn’t bring myself to seek marriage in this country, not while there are so many people who can’t marry the person they love.

        How can one claim to have done as much as one can to get away from male privilege, yet turn around and invoke it whenever it’s beneficial? That’s not working to give up privilege, it’s merely setting a bit aside for later.

        A very wonderful person made the choice to be married with me in Canada, where anyone may marry as they see fit. We – like other couples considered to be same sex – deal with the consequences of that decision, from housing, to employment, insurance to property rights, inheritance and medical care. We live in a state that won’t recognize same-sex marriage, and do what we can to deal with it, and help change people’s minds. What kind of person would say “I got mine, hang the rest of you?”

        You certainly don’t need me to tell you about not being able to marry – I’m venting about those who would betray their allies and sensibilities in the name of convenience. I am glad your friends stand with you in the struggle for marriage equality, and in my own way I try to stand too.


      • The “standard track” also requires a formal diagnosis of “Gender Dysphoria” by both a medic registered and practicising in the UK, and one of a list of specialists held by the Gender Recognition Panel, also registered and practicing in the UK.

        This in turn requires that the subject be “Transsexual” according to the WHO’s ICD-10 manual. And this in turn means that they cannot be Intersex.

        The requirement to live for two years in the target gender is an *additional* requirement, not the only one.

        In real terms, this means that anyone wanting to go through the “standard track” has to move to the UK for weekly appointments over two years with any old GP, then be put on a waiting list to see one of the specialists to get the diagnosis confirmed. Such waiting lists are years long.

        Things like having XX chromosomes while having a male birth certificate are disqualifiers. As is currently being married to a person of either sex. Any such marriage must be dissolved first – though an “interim gender recognition certificate” only valid for 6 months and an automatic “get out of marriage free” certificate for marriages solemnised in the UK is available after diagnosis.

        When the Gender Recognition Act was passed, there was no requirement for the medics making the diagnosis to be registered and practising in the UK. Neither was a diagnosis of “Gender Dysphoria” contingent on the ICD-10 definition, which excludes Intersex people. Those subsequent changes have been made via statutory re-interpretation. They now effectively preclude any overseas application from being processed under the standard track.


      • In addition to proving that you have lived for two years in your acquired gender, you must provide medical evidence that you have been treated in relation to your gender identity. Evidence must come from either a doctor or a chartered psychologist, who is registered with the General Medical Council (GMC), the British Psychological Society (BPS) and the Royal College of Psychiatrists (RCP).
        Since you are applying on the basis of having lived for two years or more in your acquired gender, you need to provide two reports with your application pack.
        You should list the reports in the table at section 9 of the application form, along with the other evidence that you are submitting.

        Report A must be made by a registered medical practioner or a chartered psychologist practising in the filed of gender dysphoria. A list of doctors and charted psychologists who are specialists in the field of gender dysphoria is held on the Gender Recognition website at http://www.grp.gov.uk/forms. Alternatively if you do not have access to the website you can contact the panel direct.
        This report must be made by a registered medical practioner or a chartered psychologist practising in the field of gender dysphoria and must include details of a diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

        Report B must be made by a registered medical practioner (who may, but need not, practise in the field of gender dysphoria). For example, this report could be
        made by your GP.
        This report must include specific details of treatment ie whether you have undergone, are undergoing or are planning to undergo surgery for the purpose of modifying sexual characteristics.
        If you have not undergone surgery the report must explain why not.

        http://www.justice.gov.uk/downloads/guidance/courts-and-tribunals/tribunals/gender-recognition-panel/list-of-approved-countries-or-territories/GRPGuidanceSept2007.pdf

      • DaveSquirrel Says:

        My gawd Alan Brain, I am convinced that you are determined to bore FABs to death with your ramblings, thereby becoming the only true woman alive.

        Knock it off with the intersex claim for yourself. Nobody believes you. You were twanz twanz twanz for years, then suddenly decided you would garner more sympathy if portrayed as intersex.

        Unless faux-intersex actually means LONG BORING POSTS THAT NOBODY READS. It is not your job to supply 50% of the internet content. Seriously.

      • GallusMag Says:

        Right?
        I think all that blather is to cover up the fact that he has no substantiation whatsoever for his central claim that the guidelines for overseas applicants using the standard track application have been “unofficially” changed. LOL.


      • GallusMag wrote:
        “I think all that blather is to cover up the fact that he has no substantiation whatsoever for his central claim that the guidelines for overseas applicants using the standard track application have been “unofficially” changed. LOL.”

        From
        http://www.justice.gov.uk/guidance/courts-and-tribunals/tribunals/gender-recognition-panel/dysphoria-specialists.htm

        “Important: From 16th November 2009 the definition of A Registered Medical Practitioner changes. From that date it means a medical practitioner holding a licence to practice and not a medical practitioner registered with the General Medical Council (GMC). Any report prepared on or after 16th November 2009 and relied upon in support of an application for a Gender Recognition Certificate must be produced by a doctor with a licence to practice from the GMC. Not all doctors are now required to hold a GMC licence to practice.”

        Before 2006, even GMC registration wasn’t necessary, just registration by a recognised medical board in the doctor’s home country.

        GMC registration is open to doctors qualified to practice in the UK, but not permanently resident there, so a number of overseas doctors (such as my own endocrinologist, Prof Steinbeck) were on the list until 11th June 2009.

        .A license to practice is only available to UK-resident practitioners.

  6. SheilaG Says:

    P.S. This print is so small it is the devil trying to read it. Can the print size be made a bit bigger here? If too difficult I’ll suffer🙂 (Does that approximate male trans whining?

    • DaveSquirrel Says:

      If you have trouble reading most sites, there will be font size settings to increase your default size. If it is just the odd website, then there are temporary settings to increase font size – in firefox, control plus (+), will up the size, look for the settings in the View menu.

  7. The Masked Lily Says:

    ugh there are so many stories like this, I feel overwhelmed with stupidity

    well, real feminism has never been easy, I guess

    that photo of him looking smugly, at *us* – you bet it’s directed at FAAB women, a sort of “ha!” – makes my stomach turn

  8. The Masked Lily Says:

    oh my lawd listen to this. “my challenges are similar to yours but they’re more complex”

    uh huh

    • GallusMag Says:

      Maybe by “complex” he meant “absurd”. lolol

    • radfemcrafts Says:

      Some of my challenges are that nobody ever puts a microphone, camera and audience in front of me.

      His overabundance of access is a challenge I’d love to take on for him if he’s finding it too much of a burden.

    • DaveSquirrel Says:

      I’m thinking that among the list of “complex challenges” would be to not sound so bloody male – inclusive of actual voice and content.

      The interesting experiment I did was to listen to the video and not watch the vision…

    • Anonymiss Says:

      The only thing I could think of:

      WTF HIS VOICE

      How can he expect to pass with this voice? I find the dissonance very amusing, an overly feminine appearance by genderist standards and a male, deep voice.

      How can he call himself a woman like that? Seriously.

    • AreUSayingWhatUThink Says:

      I can’t EVEN believe this is really happening – in the United States – I couldn’t BELIEVE George Bush and Dick Cheney and all the shit they pulled – and now I can’t even believe this – BLATANT bullshit – I feel like that little dot on old-fashioned TVs, after you turned them off, there ended up being a little dot in the middle, before it went completely off.

      I feel like that little dot watching this. My life as a woman means NOTHING. NOTHING. So damaging and disempowering. What a mind fuck. Unbelievable.

      • Dogtowner Says:

        AreU, I’ve spent my life as a marginal person and I learned a long time ago I cannot allow ANYONE to define who I am as a human being, a woman, a disabled woman. There is a world out there ready to belittle you, to say your experience means nothing, ready to tell you you haven’t experienced what you know you’ve experienced. You should hear my recent experiences with female doctors! I have to warn my PCP that one more contact with one of these maggot-brained idiots and I won’t attempt to relate my medical history to them, just tell them in some colorful language what I think of their mental capabilities. It’s hard to spend one’s life fighting the forces that want to tell you you are worth nothing, but fighting is better than giving in!

      • farishcunning Says:

        Dogtowner, I am so sorry and sad about your shitty treatment at the hands of medical “professionals”. I, too, am disabled, and have had my share of rotten treatment, even from female practitioners. Finally, after many years, I have a health care team that is mostly women who fight for me and make me feel safe. It is my wish for you that you may soon find the same.

        Fare

      • Dogtowner Says:

        farish, thank you so much for your kind words. It is great that you have a good medical team! I live in a low-population area and don’t have many choices, but I did find a group practice of women DOs, many of whom are integrative holistic physicians. If I feel up to all the driving and explaining my history, and find that someone is not totally ignorant regarding thyroid issues, maybe I’ll give them a try.


    • Re: the voice

      I think they are deciding to keep these baritone voices on purpose; it seems to be a real trend.

      The old school trans women worked hard to change their voices, but this new crew keeps theirs, part of the whole “fuck you cissies!” thing they have going on.

      They don’t need no stinkin women’s voices!

  9. SheilaG Says:

    Complex… yes male impersonators always claim that they are more equal than equal more special than special… and more dominating and bossy than born women. It’s always more isn’t it with these guys.

  10. Bev Jo Says:

    While lauding these repulsive men who caricaturize real females, HRC still asks us for money! These men have so much more than most women and Lesbians.

    • AreUSayingWhatUThink Says:

      I’m feeling especially broke and hopeless now. I have a job (typical female occupation), that pays shit, but it’s in the “real world,” not online, and I love having coworkers. It’s great, being a part of an actually living breathing in the room with you team of human beings.

      I just need a job where I can get paid a living wage using my talents as part of a team.

      Why is that so hard in the US, for women with my set of skills? Why.

      Oh, “tech.” Oh sorry, I’m not “high tech.” Oops. sorry…………..

  11. SheilaG Says:

    And why are lesbians giving money to HRC anyway?
    Do we ever learn? All these organization are just diguised male centric fundraising machines. The boys spent millions, that’s right millions on the stupid No on 8 campaign in California… these trans types seem loaded with money, jobs… etc. I don’t know where they get all the money to fly to Thailand for these fancy operations to begin with.

    That speech is just so male, so ridiculous, and I just couldn’t get why male impersonators are on the boards of these organizations, and it’s almost always male to trans doing this work.

    HRC, Center for Lesbian Rights etc… just another trans lesbian resources stealing set up. And why don’t lesbians learn to support our own? Why oh why? We have so much lesbian poverty and real financial need, it just breaks my heart to see all this all the time. And then seeing the smug male impersonators give these speeches, and knowing that lesbians are just given short shrift… yet we believe these groups serve lesbian interests??? When are we going to learn?

  12. SheilaG Says:

    P.S. You know what they used to call HRC? The Human Rights Champaign Fund… and that was gay boys calling it that. Even THEY were mad at the waste of money that posturing group of patriarchs is.


  13. So, won’t be trying to raise a family on a pink ghetto job I see.

  14. GallusMag Says:

    ” Today, she struggles as most other women do.”
    As this post makes so clear, men like Stabler do not lose male privilege after trans-itioning. As any transsexual will tell you, the second their true sex is known they are treated vastly differently than when they were “passing” as the other sex. Someone like Stabler, who can never “pass”, never loses his male privilege. He may be lower on the totem pole of male privilege than a more Jender conforming male, but he is still treated as male with all the male privileges accorded those who are male. Or do you mean that he has cramps when he menstruates?

    • SS Says:

      “As this post makes so clear, men like Stabler do not lose male privilege after trans-itioning.”

      No man loses his privilege, not just men like Stabler.

  15. dyksfunctional Says:

    I do believe that Diego and Chris are NOT “respecting” Mr. Stablers CHOSEN legal sex by the Great State of Texas, The Long Horn State, The JUMBO State… “Every thing’s BIGGER in Texas” motto.

    I mean out of FIFTY STATES… 50 to choose from… it’s Texas?
    Texas has a lot of machismo hype about “size”.

    It’s also a big LIE.

    My lack of “respect” for Texas has A LOT to do w/living over 10years in Alaska. Alaska is actually TWICE the SIZE of Texas… but we would quietly stay away from Lower 48 compedicktion.

    Alaska is girrrrrrly like that.

    Texas? Texas? Hmmmm??? I wonder why it’s Texas???

  16. SheilaG Says:

    Why are men on the boards of directors of HRC? Aren’t there enough born lesbians for these jobs?
    Jeez. And hint… these guys are always grabbing the microphones everywhere, as if there are not enough born lesbians to speak at these events. Shouldn’t these guys just shut up, or be silent.. that is the condition of born women worldwide, and if they blab at a mic, this is so male.

  17. SS Says:

    There is no ignorance. Just a refusal to believe the Trans line that there is a difference between trans “gender” and trans sexual– that one is more female than the other. Sex cannot be changed with surgery and pills. Medically a female– don’t make me laugh.These people are male in every way; even when they have surgery, take pills and pretend really, really hard it comes through. Just look at the male to trans people on this site They do all of the above, but can’t resist mansplainin’ to us about what it is to be a rad fem, and how ‘cis’ is a respectful term.

  18. SheilaG Says:

    Hey Bug… marriage is not a revolutionary act, it’s not a feminist act, and marrying under your birth certificate as a male is not changing anything. It was a personal decison, based on a personal advantage. Nothing wrong with that, but it is not feminist, it doesn’t “mess” with any system already in place.

    And the more I study the situation, the more I wonder just what lesbians are getting out of these so-called (l)GBT organizations. I don’t feel served by them or those who lead them. To me, the whole GLBT thing is just another form of lesbian erasure, and institutionalizing a belief that lesbians are really advancing… to me, it’s just co-opting our labor and political energy for the boys… and boys always invent new ways of stealing women’s resources, and we need to know that. 51% anyone?

  19. Kate Says:

    Speaking of delusional…..

    http://ben-girl-notesfromthetside.blogspot.com/

    I can’t keep a straight face when when I see a twanny claiming to be more “woman” than another twanny!

    • The Masked Lily Says:

      Oh god that’s disturbing. “For girls and women sex is about penetration. I always thought this was a heterosexual girl thing but one of my best friends in England is a lesbian and tells me it is most certainly not. I have received an education from her on the subject because like me she was a child when she realized she was a girl and despite her attraction to girls she wanted to be penetrated.”

      Yeah no. I’ll cite my own personal tmi lesbian experience and say that penetration does nothing for me. Not that there’s anything wrong with it but, this is another dude with a pornified concept of female. bleh

    • The Masked Lily Says:

      Also his internalized homophobia is really obvious and sad.

    • Nicky Says:

      Also speaking of delusional twanz, here’s another fine example of a delusional twanz……

      http://clareflourish.wordpressDOTcom/

  20. HenryHall Says:

    Just about every transsexual person who lives in the USA is male for some legal purposes, places and times and female for others. The term LEGALLY MALE as referenced by someone is a meaningless concept in the USA. Almost every American postop transwoman must declare herself to be female when seeking medical insurance (state regulated) and declare herself to be male when seeking life insurance (Federally regulated). Otherwise the insurance company is not obliged to pay any claims.

    Meghan Stabler said she is male for purposes of marriage under Texas law as of the date of the wedding. That is all, nothing more.
    As Elizabeth Vasquéz (Ecuador) says “Are we not entitled to subvert government institutions that have historically discriminated against us? Of course we are entitled to subvert them and injure them just as they intentionally injure us!”.

    Now, since Ms. Stabler’s new marriage is considered to be same sex (and therefore unrecognized) in California, she could and should marry a MAN in California without getting divorced in Texas. This is not bigamy because neither State recognises the marriage of the other’s marriage and considers it to be same-sex. And since there is no FEDERAL law against bigamy this would produce the first legal plural marriage in the Federal system in over 100 years to great embarrassment and a forced change in federal law.

    And why should Meghan do this? Because she is on the board of HRC is why! She should choose to go down in history as a heroine martyr, rather than a HRC parasite nonentity.

  21. dyksfunctional Says:

    I only WISH you had ‘like” buttons. Cause DvS is my hero right now.

    She nailed Zoe.
    How one person can take up THIS much room as a TG/TS/Intersex//lezzzzzzbian/father is beyond me???!!

    Alan is a TG/TS freaking Unicorn.
    It’s MAGIC.
    Alan walks around us mere mortal lezzbian women… stroking the horn.

  22. luckynkl Says:

    A man married a woman and this is news? Men think if they lift the toilet seat it should make headline news.

    Halloween is right around the corner. It’s a day when just about every male on the planet dresses up like a woman. The only difference between most dudes and their SCAM brothers is at the end of the evening, most men stop pretending and take their Halloween costumes off. SCAMs want it to be Halloween 365 days a year. Trick or treat! It’s a trick, of course. Men pretending to be women is definitely no treat.

  23. Gosse Says:

    This is confusing me. I don’t think that sex and gender are linked, gender is obviously a social construct. So the issue with it is that this person is trying to change his physical sex to try and say that he’s a woman? Why is the matter of physical sex so important?

    • GallusMag Says:

      The million dollar question.
      Hi Gosse.
      Genderists don’t believe that Gender is a social construct. They believe Sex Roles are biological. They believe that males are masculine and females feminine. BUT they believe biological sex is located in an as yet- undiscovered portion of the brain, and unlike the rest of neurology, is unchanging. They believe that the definition of sex as a reproductive category is incorrect and that “true” sex is ENTIRELY based on the sex roles that most people acknowledge as being socially constructed. They also believe that this hypothesized “brain sex” comes with an overwhelming and unalterable psychological imperative to change one’s body cosmetically, and one’s sex markers socially, in order to compel the public at large to interact with them according to the social sex role traditions appropriate for that sex, which they also feel are biological and not socially constructed.

  24. FeistyAmazon Says:

    And then they come into the Lesbian community with all their male privileged thinking intact and expect us to kowtow to them, like they’ve trained their straight women to do, BEFORE they transitioned, or with some funloving bisexual who doesn’t mind as much as a Dyke, since this individual is half male and half ‘female’ or some mixed up inbetweener version..but us Dykes KNOW. We KNOW what Female is, to the bone, to the blood, to the double XX and beyond….and we HAVE NO INTEREST in the male, whether they be past, present or future male, and certainly in NOT being treated like a heterosexual woman is, with all that loaded sexism intact, and MTF’s are about the most sexist assholes I’ve ever met! Most are living a caricature and a stereotype that most Dykes left years and years ago! And so many HATE Butch Dykes, because they think they’re ‘more woman than us’ cuz we’re NONFEMININE and rejected all those privileged and oppressive feminine trappings. So, ‘we must be dudes’. Thusly, the MTF’s are actively fueling much of the energy of butch,boyish, tomboyish, nonfeminine dykes to transition to male….until it’s self perpetuating. I saw it at it’s infancy, and the MTF’s were definitely fueling the fire for Butches who couldn’t accept their femaleness fully, and pressuring them to transition and be on that same rollercoaster ride they are on..from a different perspective. Cuz a true Blue Butch Dyke is gonna call ANY MTF on their privilege and on their crap, and truthfully most won’t be fucking one either!

    What an asshole..then to further straitjacket ALL womyn into male defined heterosexually based sex roles, if you want to be considered a woman, to make THEM feel comfortable while they prance around imitating womankind. And further villifying ANY womon who steps out of that: i.e. many in the Dyke community,and especially us Female Identified Butches(which now the trans community calls ‘Fibbers’.) Yeah, what a nice bunch, I’m neither a ‘Fibber’ or “Cis”, keep your fucking terms off of me! Bio Female, womon born womon, lifelong Female PRoud Butch DykeAmazon all the way!
    -FeistyAmazon

  25. FeistyAmazon Says:

    Bladdy, bladdy, bladdy blah….and make Lesbians who are born female and Female proud, and Butch Dykes in particular, even more invisible with ‘her’ ever so feminine appearance. Of course HRC put this individual up there, with all the privilege of this individual’s privileged background as a well off hetero white born male, they still MAINTAIN their privilege in myriad ways, while their status is lowered in comparison to other males….but NOT in relation to other females, especially Lesbians or bio female women of color. I can’t tell you how many times MTF’s have been columnists writers, ect. on the gay male fagrags and afforded much greater status than out in your face DYKES and Butch Dykes as a whole. I could name them: Beth Elliot-columnist in a “Dyke” column for the B.A.R., Susie Stryker: heading up the GLBT historical society, we have an out Judge who is MTF, and Therese Sparks-SF Commissioner, all MTF’s. How many Butch Dykes, fully out there Butch Dykes have similar privileges???? They easily move in the privileged world or around the world of gay men, or in and out of that world, where the most monied interests are, compared to that of most Dykes…and one reason HRC is making this individual a spokesperson is because HRC was the ONLY organization that wanted ENDA passed no matter what, even if transgenders/transsexuals weren’t included, to at least give Lesbians and Gays who have worked tirelessly on this issue of equal rights for Gays and Lesbians in the workplace for 30-40 plus years, and to stop us from being fired from jobs merely because we were Lesbian or Gay. Figuring once the bill was passed, then the rest could be worked on…but ALL the transsexual lobbying organizations chewed HRC out so bad for not ‘waiting for the perfect moment’ for a ‘fully inclusive Employment NonDiscrimination Act’, that HRC was threatened with loss of funding from numerous LGBT organizations and individuals.

    So, to ‘look good’ of COURSE HRC needs to put transgenders/transsexuals on the board and as spokespersons to ‘look good’ from their supposed faux pas. I supported their going ahead no matter what, because I do believe the American public will support homosexuals, lesbians and gays having equal job rights, but I don’t think they will support transsexuals tagging along, who can appear and act male one day, and female the next, or either, or both. Transsexuals/transgenders have been riding on the coattails of our movements and vampirizing them way too much at OUR expense for the last 10-15 years, and holding us back in myriad and conservative ways, actually sabotaging us from gaining ANY of our rights in a truly meaningful way. And certainly hurting the cause of Lesbian community and womon only space, and our Lesbian identities and all the things we created with a formerly strong Lesbian movement which has basically died….so many of our Lesbian institutions have been lost, the rest churned up and villified if keeping Lesbian/womon focus(like Michfest) or totally sold out like NOLOSE: a conference which used to be for Lesbians of Size(National Organization for Lesbians of Size) which now, NOT ONLY includes every manner of female and transgender/transsexual, but ALSO is now allowing biological males AS MALES….so completely totally 100% sold out. Guess I wont’ be attending NOLOSE anytime soon..and giving a lecture on how we should accept the loss of our safety and safe space..that it isn’t really ‘safe space’ to be around Dykes only or womyn only, but rather ‘comfortable space’ and that we all need to move out of our ‘comfort zone’ and ‘stretch’. NO THANKS. I can do that just walking outside my door into the heterosexual world, everyday! But where can I go to share with sister Dykes of Size, bio female Dykes of size, and all the shaming we go through on our female bodies on an everyday basis?????
    Say NO and NO MORE to the transapologists..at Lesbian and bio female expense!

    -In Sisterhood,
    -FeistyAmazon

    • yerb Says:

      Feisty, if you are interested in starting a womyn-only lesbian-of-size organization, I will glady help. THANK YOU for writing about this loss at No-Lose. Just when I started to get involved in size acceptance activism, I read about this blow at No-Lose, and decided not to attend/support that co-opted, womyn- and lesbian-hostile political space. It’s getting harder and harder to find any lesbian space at all. Thank goodness for GallusMag, Dave the Squirrel, you, BevJo, and others on this site and elsewhere doing the work you’re doing to hopefully turn the tide.

  26. luckynkl Says:

    “Why is the matter of physical sex so important?”

    You do know where babies come from, right? Reproduction and the control of it is a very big deal to the patriarchs. It’s the biggest deal of them all. Because those who control reproduction can control the world. Unable to reproduce themselves, men must control those who do. Women. It doesn’t matter if a woman wants to, can, or is able to reproduce, it doesn’t negate the fact that only women can. From birth ALL females are treated accordingly, as if they can and will. The odds are so astronomical that they can and will that the patriarchs can take it to the bank. And if she can’t, they will poke and prod her to find out why not. Is this EVER done to those born male? Of course not. No one wonders why males can’t be impregnated.

    Gender roles such as masculinity and femininity help insure the dom/sub paradigm necessary for men’s continued access to and control of women, and the continued sexual and reproductive exploitation of women. Most all groups targeted by an oppressor are feminized. It’s a tool for oppression. The fact that the word is so closely associated with the female-born is the dead giveaway which group was originally feminized and still continues to be. Femme, of course, means woman in French. So they very word and role is intertwined with a woman’s biological sex for insidious purposes.

  27. Carolyn Says:

    I’m not sure whether I should be posting anything here for a myriad of reasons. I’ve no idea how you will view people like me and there are a lot of us who feel the way I do. However here goes, for better or ill.

    I was led here via the “Live Feed” section of a blog by a friend of mine whom I greatly respect. I am a heterosexual woman I am married and have been for some 15 years. I am constantly made angry and distressed by the antics of the public transvestites who describe themselves as “transwomen” to the point where I literally feel nauseous. I keep my past medical issues that are now cured completely too myself to the extent that even my husband does not know. I have never sought anything from anyone other than to be treated the same as all women for good or ill. It is all I have ever wanted.

    My question for you is this Where does that leave me with women who feel as you do? Because I feel the same way about the clowns from the transgender activist groups you complain about. They do not speak for me and I wish they wouldn’t try. Actually I don’t want anyone to speak for me at all, I can do that for myself. The things I need for my life are no different from all women except for certain health issues and breaks my heart I will not have those too. So I just do the best I can.

    Carolyn

    • The Masked Lily Says:

      Are you saying you wish to menstruate and go through menopause and childbirth like born women? Because that’s no walk in the park.

      Please stop fetishizing our bodies.

      • Carolyn Says:

        I wouldn’t put it that way no. What I would say is just this; that menstruation is a part of being a woman and as such I would accept it. Also to found a family, children of my own. This kind of thing is hard to put into words that will not be read in a way that might offend and I am not here to advertise a blog or to cause or invite acrimony. I cannot bear children and I would dearly love to found a family with my husband. Is that so wrong?

        As to “fetishising” anyone’s body, nothing could be further from the truth.

        The reason for visiting was simply to find out if there was any common ground since we have the same enemy i e transgender men. It would seem that is not the case. I just hope that one day you may see that for those like me our choices are pretty much non existant. I am not attaracted to women sexually neither am I aroused sexually by women or feminity. I like men and I do not have a choice in that any more than any of you have choice in the way you are.

        So, like I said I do the best I can and while the SRS I went through 30 years ago will not change the biology, it does at least allow some measure of peace from the terrible conflict that was my life before it.

        I am sad you all feel the way you do but I can see there is nothing positive to be achieved by persevering. I wish you all well I hope that you achieve the goals you seek and I certainly continue to support that campaign.

        Carolyn

      • GallusMag Says:

        “So, like I said I do the best I can and while the SRS I went through 30 years ago will not change the biology, it does at least allow some measure of peace from the terrible conflict that was my life before it.”

        My goodness. Honesty and rationality. A transsexual that admits he is biologically (shock horrors!) male. Very refreshing. Thank you Carolyn.
        I’m curious about something. Both you and Anne have made a point of stating that you are not sexually attracted to females, you are not male “lesbians”.
        Unlike females, the majority of male transgenders are sexually oriented towards females. At least 60% of male transgenders call themselves “Lesbian”. Others are purely autoerotic or asexual. A relatively small percentage are oriented to men. What Bailey Blanchard Lawrence might call “homosexual transsexuals” and what Harry Benjamin called “true transsexuals” , type 6 on the Benjamin intensity scale. If you are post-op 30 years you are familiar with what I am referencing.
        My question is: You and Anne, by making a point of stating that you are not sexually oriented to females, seem to understand how exploitative, fetishizing and colonizing male “Lesbians” are. Am I right? Is that what you think? Do you subscribe to the Bailey/Blanchard/Lawrence/Benjamin theory of autogynephilia vs. “extreme” homosexuality? Is that what divides yourself from the male transgenders that you feel to be so distinct from your experience? That your transsexuality is adaptive vs. autogynephillic and fetishizing? Or is it just that you have “had the surgery” and they have not.
        I hope my questions make sense. Interested in any thoughts you have on the matter.

      • GallusMag Says:

        Regardless of whether you choose to address my questions or not, with your kindly manner you are welcome to comment here anytime. 🙂

      • Carolyn Says:

        Indeed I do understand the the references you made to both Harry Benjamin and Baily/Blanchard/Lawrence. I am unfortunately very familiar with the Autogynophelia paradigm.

        No I am emphatically not a male Lesbian. Perhaps you find this difficult to get your mind around but with the exception of my GP there is not a single person in my life who knows I was not born female not a single soul. However to deal precisely with your question: I have been confirmed as a type VI transsexual by two specialist doctors in the field. My sexual orientation is exclusively towards males. As a child this attraction was even more scary than my belief that nature had made a mistake and I was in fact a girl. It is this kind of belief that the TG have read about in various published biographies and colonised for their own. I feel violated by that colonisation and I understand fully why you all would feel violated by the colonisation by the so called “male lesbians” of your own space and I view it as simply ridiculous to put it mildly and understand fully why women like yourselves would reject it totally. I do too, for what that may be worth.

        To deal with Autogynophelia and Baily Blanchard Lawrence would take a lot more time and space than is available here. However to put it succinctly it simply looks to me like simple transvestism and a big word for fetish. The paradigm fits transgender. The part I have difficulty with and perhaps where our opinions may diverge is the part of the AGP pardigm that describes those like me as an extreme form of homosexuality or “homosexual transsexuals”. I can see that academically speaking the concept might be inviting. However, consider this; I did not endure a male puberty and neither was I at all visually male. For that “crime” during my formative years I endured a great deal of physical abuse from parents and my peers. I am sure you’ve heard all this before and to some of your contributors here it may look like I am saying “I’m more twanny than anyone else” Not much I can do about that you will all think what you will. I am not looking for sympathy I am simply hoping to show that there may be a few that do not have any hidden agenda other than to say the AGP transgender translesbian crowd are simply colonisers of women’s space and I hate it that they invade not just my space (and narrative) but that of all women.

        I cannot express in words the full extent of my disgust and dismay that men like the idiot pervert that wishes to “experience life in a girls dormitory” does so under the pretence that he is like me. The fact is I and many others do speak out and as a result are barred from commenting against these creeps on blogs. As a result no one hears what we have to say. We are branded bigots natzis homophobes transphobes traitors and just plain nasty.

        One last thing; I feel nature has been very hard on me but I am not willing to be a victim as a result. While in a strict biological sense I was born with “bits surplus to requirements” If I am not at least some kind of woman I’m not any kind of man either. Where does that leave me? I don’t know! Ask any of my friends both male and female they don’t seem to have any doubts.

        If I have not answered you questions, feel free to ask again, I will try as best I can. As I said I’m not looking for acrimony.

      • GallusMag Says:

        “Perhaps you find this difficult to get your mind around but with the exception of my GP there is not a single person in my life who knows I was not born female not a single soul.”

        OK you have instantly pegged yourself as a liar. I had hoped for an honest exchange, but this is what I get. And every trans person reading this knows I am right. You’re writing fantasy shit here: fiction. Who knows who you are, probably a closeted crossdresser. Because we all have friends, family, parents, people we went to school with, people we confided in, etc. No man is an island. And you are a liar. And frankly, I feel offended that you would attempt to pull such lame bullshit on my blog. Really. Does anyone ever actually buy this shit? You embarrass yourself.

        “My sexual orientation is exclusively towards males. As a child this attraction was even more scary than my belief that nature had made a mistake and I was in fact a girl.”

        Being gay was even more scary than the belief that you were born with the “birth defect” of being male? Yeah. Not likely. Why was same-sex attraction more scary than believing you were born in the wrong body? Obviously because being gay is more scary than having your nuts cut off and calling yourself a heterosexual. LOL. Seriously. No.

        “To deal with Autogynophelia and Baily Blanchard Lawrence would take a lot more time and space than is available here. However to put it succinctly it simply looks to me like simple transvestism and a big word for fetish.”

        We have all the time and space in the world. Your reply shows no understanding of the issues whatsoever, which isn’t surprising considering that you are a fake and a liar. You have no idea what you are talking about, and no lived experience. I am disappointed.

        “The part I have difficulty with and perhaps where our opinions may diverge is the part of the AGP pardigm that describes those like me as an extreme form of homosexuality or “homosexual transsexuals”. I can see that academically speaking the concept might be inviting. However, consider this; I did not endure a male puberty and neither was I at all visually male. “

        Pre-pubertal blockers and cross-sex hormones were not available to pre-adolescent gays in the seventies and eighties. So you are a liar. You are a fantasist, a teller of tall tales. Were you out on the streets scoring black market estrogen at the age of ten in the eighties? I think not. And by the way, not appearing “visually male” does not equal being female in any way.

        “For that “crime” during my formative years I endured a great deal of physical abuse from parents and my peers.”

        It sux when dudes are bullied. Has nothing to do with being female though. My heart goes out for all the bullied males who were low on the male totem pole.

        “I am not looking for sympathy I am simply hoping to show that there may be a few that do not have any hidden agenda other than to say the AGP transgender translesbian crowd are simply colonisers of women’s space and I hate it that they invade not just my space (and narrative) but that of all women.”

        You’re not looking for sympathy but your tale of male on male bullying should show us that you have no hidden agenda? How so? Because you were bullied by other males it shows us that that transbians are colonizers? How so? Are Transbians never bullied as boys? Makes no sense. More crap.

        “I feel nature has been very hard on me but I am not willing to be a victim as a result. While in a strict biological sense I was born with “bits surplus to requirements” If I am not at least some kind of woman I’m not any kind of man either. Where does that leave me? I don’t know! Ask any of my friends both male and female they don’t seem to have any doubts.”

        Nature has been very hard on you by not being “man enough”? You were born male. That is not under dispute. You think being bullied by other males makes you female? Your story is so transparent and false I can see why trans people ban you from their sites. They aren’t stupid. And neither am I. My God son, what fool do you think I am? None of your friends “both male and female” have any doubts? Of course they don’t. They know you as yourself, and not as the online fantasy persona you use to shit-talk the people that are actually dealing with, and living, the issues you think you know something about. Lies, lies, and more lies. FAIL.
        The sound you hear is the GenderTrender toilet flushing. Buh Bye!

  28. SheilaG Says:

    Yeah Feisty!!! Love your blog too!!

  29. AnnaRosa Says:

    I was referred to this site by a friend and I do have some reservation about venturing into this your space, but I do have some genuine questions and my hope is that we might actually learn from each other.

    I happen to share that same distain that you hold for those “men that would be queens”. I understand and share your resentment of their invasion of “our” spaces and attempted colonizations of our “narrative”.

    I am different from you in many ways as I am sure that you all differ from one another. What I hope to find in addition to some answers to some questions is some common ground that we might find to at least attempt a dialogue.

    You can learn a bit about me and my perspective from my blog which I started about a year ago, and which I closed in disgust just a few weeks ago in predictable frustration. There is also a link to a brief bio entitled “Who I Am”.

    You should know that I am essentially heterosexual despite having had just a few sexual liasons with other women. They were quite pleasant but lacked that quality that only a man can provide. I hope that my sexual orientation will not be an issue.
    I do have several friends who happen to be lesbian, but I do not feel comfortable enough within our friendship to ask the kind of questions that I have.

    If you are offended by my presense, I will gladly move on. No need to engage in a hurtful war of words. I have very few “enemies” and they are all “trans.

    Sincerely,

    Anne

    • GallusMag Says:

      Hi Anne. What are your questions.

    • bugbrennan Says:

      “They were quite pleasant but lacked that quality that only a man can provide.”

      Dear lord. Yes, come onto a pro-lesbian blog and tell us about that quality that only a man can provide.

    • The Masked Lily Says:

      Ok, so you came here to advertise your blog, right? From what I can tell from your blog, you’re an MTF and you’re trying to distance yourself from transvestites?

      I actually have some sympathy for you, because you seem to have intense internalized homophobia. what with your talk of “corrected genitals” and calling yourself heterosexual in your attraction to men..

      But I hope you, too, can stop fetishizing the female body.

  30. HenryHall Says:

    As a privileged “white boy” I will throw my two cents in here, and doubtless be castigated for it, and go away.

    [Well lets just skip it then. Bye Henry.- GM]

  31. The Masked Lily Says:

    And not many born women have the luxury of going from school teacher to real estate agent as they please..

  32. AnnaRosa Says:

    Interestingly, my question is very similar to Carolyn’s above. Essentially how do you feel about married, heterosexual women, who feel very strongly that the TG and people like Megan Stabler, Autumn Sandeen and a seemingly endless stream of TG activists are deconstructing and attempting to re-define what it means to be a woman. We agree that these hyper-“feminized” men are indeed a real threat to our individual integrity and well being.

    In addition, because I see the vast majority your stated positions to be very similar, or at least parallel to mine, I am interested to know if there might exist enough comon ground for a constructive dialogue.

    • GallusMag Says:

      I sympathize with men like yourself who had SRS 40 years ago or more, back in an age when people still believed in the god-like powers of medicine. Back then people truly believed that science could perform some frankensteinian transubstantiation of the human sex.
      Now years later- due in large part to Feminist health initiatives of informed consent- the public is far more savvy about disseminating medical claims and now sees SRS for exactly what it is: penile inversion (sometimes with insertion of colon tissue to add mucoid bowel drainage for moisture and depth.)
      But back when you drank the koolaid people really believed that doctors could perform sex changes, and I feel a great deal of sympathy for those of you who were misled. The more the public learns about transsexuality, the less they believe in it, and the more they know, the less trans people can “pass” as their target sex. That’s why it is very hard for trans people to “pass” in areas like San Francisco where the public is better informed.
      I think the increasing inability to “pass” is part of the reason why trans are rejecting the old stealth model of transsexualism. In twenty or thirty years only a tiny minority of trans will be able to pass under any circumstances as the public becomes more aware.
      What I don’t sympathize with is activists like yourself promoting the idea that penile/scrotal inversion surgery makes males female. Those days are over, and no one believes that anymore. But trans autogynophiles immersed in their pink cloud of fantasy are still susceptible to such claims, especially as they are still being pushed by a certain segment of the medical industry: the sex change industry.
      It is very telling that out of nine million doctors worldwide, only around 50 of them will perform this radical cosmetic surgery, even though it is quite lucrative and there are waiting lists for those who do. And more are quitting. http://79.170.40.33/angelsforum.co.uk/phpforum/viewtopic.php?t=20324&p=308630
      We all know that there is no such thing as a “sex change”.

      What seems to form the core of your philosophy and sexual politic – and what you have in common with the tee gees and genderists, is your belief that there is a magical invisible “brain gamete” that makes males and females essentially different in psychology and behavior. A “sex essence” of the soul, as it were. A non-reproductive sex binary. This philosophy is based on fetishization and misogyny and is therefore incompatible with Women’s Liberation.

  33. SheilaG Says:

    Fettishizing female bodies is pretty much a bottom line objections most feminist have to trans anything. We are against the manufacture of women via surgery.

    So I don’t know what common ground radical feminists would have with trans, because trans itself violates all the basic tenants of what radical feminism is as a philosophy and way of life.

    I can’t think of two more groups more uniquely unsuited to understanding on another than radical lesbians and Male to Trans–women impersonators.

    Trans itself is about immitating the female form, and doing it in a colonizing way. It is like blackface and minstrel shows. It is an immitation of the male idea of what men think women are, and it’s an oppressed colonized state of fake forced femininity that is the hallmark of the patriarchal state. And I fail to see how women lack the quality that only men can provide.. is that PIV shoved into a fake vagina? Or is it about living the fettishized lifestyle that men are only more willing to accomodate, since the trans invasion of born women’s worlds is the ultimate act of co-optation and colonization. That is what colonization is! I don’t know why Male to Trans just don’t admit this. Maybe then there could be a discussion.

  34. AnnaRosa Says:

    Thank you all for answering my questions. It seems that “pro-lesbian” feminists have no respect nor tolerance for heterosexual women. I suppose that is understandable considering the negative reactions you no doubt encounter in response to your angry rhetoric and unthinking knee-jerk recourse to angry political “rad-fem” talking points.

    @ bugbrennan…Yes I have found that men DO in fact have something extra that I prefer. I suppose you could call that a sexual preference. I certainly am not offended by your preferences and have no issue with them. Perhaps if you might simply respect mine, we could move beyond that.

    @ MaskedLily…My intent in referencing my blog was not to “advertise” it. As I noted earlier, it is now closed. I only offered it as a way for you to perhaps better understand my position and why I have a great deal more in common with you as women than I do with those men who “want to be” or pretend to be women.

    I am not sure why you think or ass-u-me that I suffer from “intense internalized homophobia” just because I happen to prefer men to women as sexual partners. As I stated earlier, I have in fact enjoyed sex with other women. In the same way that you prefer women as partners, I prefer men. How is that “homophobic”?

    @ the author of this blog, GallusMag(?)….I must confess to being ignorant of all this hyperbolic dogma surrounding “feminist health initiatives” and “magical invisible “brain gametes”. What I do find sadly distressing is your almost manic and seemingly pathological adherence to your own ignorance. This is a blind adherence to a FACTUALLY INACCURATE REALITY. This following statement is a good example of the harm that is done when you and by extension the “public” conflate, “mix and match”, totally distinct conditions….

    “The more the public learns about transsexuality, the less they believe in it, and the more they know, the less trans people can “pass” as their target sex. That’s why it is very hard for trans people to “pass” in areas like San Francisco where the public is better informed.”

    The simple FACTS are that those of us long cured of that medically treatable condition commonly known as “transsexualism’, do not “pass”. We simply ARE. The reality is that we are no longer “trans”. Your calling us “men”, beyond being laughably ludicrous, does nothing to advance the discussion which in my estimation seems to be your intent.

    Than being the case, I will respectfully withdraw.

    • GallusMag Says:

      I’m not angry, and I never even mentioned heterosexuality, so I don’t know what your problem is.
      “Angry..unthinking…knee-jerk… angry… hyperbolic… manic… pathological… ignorance… blind…ludicrous…” Frankly Anne you’ve disappointed me. I had hoped you would share some unique insight or perspective. You’ve turned out to be a typical troll. I really had hoped for more from you. Oh well. Goodbye.

  35. The Masked Lily Says:

    I’m sorry if I was rude..

    I wish there was some sort of means by which we could have male people understand what is meant by fetishization of female.. I do sympathize with people who wish to break the gender barrier, absolutely, but biological sex is a reality. Gender roles are not biological.

  36. bugbrennan Says:

    Anne – you stated: “They were quite pleasant but lacked that quality that only a man can provide.”

    This does not speak to your “personal preference.” This is a general statement. This general statement can be construed as denigrating to lesbians. If that’s not what you meant, good for you!

  37. Elizabeth Says:

    If there is anyone that has zero relevance in this world it is radfem Butch Dykes which is a contradiction in terms in its incorrect verbiage.

    Radical feminism is a current theoretical perspective within feminism that focuses on the theory of patriarchy as a system of power that organizes society into a complex of relationships based on an assumption that “male supremacy” oppresses women. Radical feminism aims to challenge and overthrow patriarchy by opposing standard gender roles and oppression of women and calls for a radical reordering of society.

    All a radfem Butch Dyke wants is to replace the male oppressor with the Butch Dyke oppressor. In the real world the only difference between a misogynist man and radfem Butch Dyke is one has a penis and often the power to hurt women and the other is a powerless and useless and provides zero benefit to society. At least a misogynist might realize the error of his ways and benefit women. All you radfem butch dykes add no value to society in general and are a waste of oxygen because nobody can stomach your pathetic look at the world except another useless radfem butch dyke.

    Just what benefit is a radfem butch dyke? Not much unless one is a lesbian that wants to replace some misogynist man as an oppressor with some mannish butch dyke asshole as an oppressor.

    Let me think of all the radfem butch dykes that have contributed to society in a positive way. well that was quick because there are none.

    It really is a pathetic scene the radfem butch dyke lives in. Kind of reminds one of the boys only clubs men like except the penis is replace by your strap-on or maybe you are asexual or prefer to fist one another to prove your manliness.

    The irony in its entirety is beyond hilarious. A masculine, male, dominant, mannish butch dyke who hate themselves and the gender roles of women complaining about a patriarchal society dominated by men. If you assholes had a dick, how many wish they did, you would be the exact people you supposedly hate.

    If it was not so pathetic I would laugh my ass off. I take that back I am laughing my ass off. You clowns should partner with the trans idiots that play a girl but keep their penis because after all you are women that play at being men and keep your pussies.

    Almost seems like a match made in hell doesn’t it?

    • elizabeth Says:

      That comment was copied without permission from my blog with the implication I made it. It was posted on my blog. remove it immediately.

      • GallusMag Says:

        What on earth? Two Elizabeths and they both claim they wrote that comment. Oh you guys…
        Very confusing. Could just be my inferior intellect caused by being a femininity-non performing lesbian tho. Doh Doh Doh. Dodeedodee do. Now I’m off to string beads and count the icecubes in my freezer tray again.

    • Kathrin Says:

      @Elizabeth:

      For one so bent on the necessity of “benefit to society”, what positive, productive need does your post fill?

      “All you radfem butch dykes add no value to society in general and are a waste of oxygen because nobody can stomach your pathetic look at the world except another useless radfem butch dyke.”

      I definitely don’t qualify as a “radfem butch dyke”, and I find their posts useful and in some cases rather informative. New perspectives are usually good things, that make us better human beings, though in your case I’m willing to make an exception.

      “A masculine, male, dominant, mannish butch dyke who hate themselves and the gender roles of women complaining about a patriarchal society dominated by men.”

      There is a big difference between butch and male. Why is it surprising that people who seek to reject the forced imposition of the so-called “feminine” role on women would reject that role being put on themselves? You ascribe strength and the freedom to choose your own path to being male, and when others choose those for themselves, you call them men. Your argument is circular – they aren’t the women you want them to be, therefore they are men, who would do the same thing to women, because they are men.

      If you can’t tell the difference between a butch and a man, then you are in no position to judge. You assume that they are like you, that given power they would wield it as you do. On what basis do you do so? Strength can be used to liberate, as well as oppress. The power to heal can also be the power to kill.

      For someone who seems to be affronted by “hate”, you sure seem to have a lot of it.

    • The Masked Lily Says:

      I’m not sorry for being rude this tim. That’s INSANE. you’re insane. Butch/nonfeminine lesbians have nothing in common with men. Not all radical feminists are lesbians. Not all radical feminists are butch. And unlike men, lesbians love women.

      God this infuriates me.

      I’ve little doubt that “Elizabeth” is an M2T.

    • dyksfunctional Says:

      Eli… you are a mess and your slip is showing.

      While you tug that back in and hide the “candy”, take a few more “sweet pills”… I see a 5-Oh on your chin.

      You hate… and I mean HATE butch lesbian women because you can never ever and I mean EVER… achieve the bravery to be something outside of prime time.

      They have EVERYTHING you want.

      They are comfortable w/their bodies.
      Their vagina’s and breasts don’t make them SCREAM hysterically and run for mothers little helper.

      Women find them ATTRACTIVE.
      Your Lane Bryant ensemble isn’t bringing all the girls to the yard. Their milkshake is better then yours.

      And can we get back to the reality that Butch LESBIAN women… have vagina’s. I realize this is GOING to be a HUGE shock to the “community”… but lesbians are really “kinda” into that.

      So Eli… close your Lane Bryant acct.
      That shrug isn’t hiding your dick.

  38. Bev Jo Says:

    I just wanted to add that how you, Gallus, and others dealt with the trolls here is an excellent example for women who are having trouble recognizing when these kinds of men are conning them in the guise of appearing sincere. Your answers to “Carolyn” are especially brilliant, Gallus. Again, I wish all women, and particularly those who are supporters of these men who masquerade as women would come here.

  39. Boadie Says:

    Holy shit, this is scary! This is EVIL! Pure EVIL!!!

  40. Boadie Says:

    Wait, I’m a little bit confused about where these seven points came from. Is this how you’re interpreting the content of Texas House Bill No. 665?


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