Transgender “Feministing” editor Jos Truitt on how females are wrong about Rape, Reproduction, and Homosexuality

April 23, 2012

Jos Truitt “GirlTalk 2012”

“So apparently, I’m a Pretendbian. So in case you’ve been lucky enough not to hear, Pretendbian is this term radical feminist and transphobe Cathy Brennan came up with, for transwomen who are apparently “pretend” lesbians, trying to trick or force real lesbians into sleeping with them. She has put a list of pretendbians online and actually a couple of us are here tonight. This is all in response to the idea of the Cotton Ceiling, which Drew Deveaux termed for the ways transphobia and trans misogyny keep trans women from getting laid in the queer women’s communities.

Brennan’s been leading the charge on calling this idea “rapey” which I think is a pretty clever bit of messaging. Our cultural idea of rape is incredibly gendered, even though the latest statistics suggest it doesn’t actually reflect the reality of rape.

By calling trans women rapey, Brennan is implying that we’re men, trying to force women into sex. Since I’m on the Pretendbian site I should mention that I’m not actually a lesbian, and I don’t pretend to be one either. But more importantly I’d like to quote “Lefty T-Girl’s” great blog post on this controversy and say this. Cathy, we don’t want to have sex with you.

Jos Truitt – angry at not being female

This particular attack is resonating with me with what feels like a transwoman right of passage. The ways I’ve been failed by my organizing and friend communities in the past year. Specifically the ways language has been used, however unintentionally, to undermine my identity.

This is kind of a weird topic for me because I kind of hate obsessing over language. Our words are so consistently inadequate. I care way more about basic human compassion than whether you know the right terms. Some of my best supporters come from friends who’ve known me a long time who may not be up on all the lingo and concepts but who I know will always respect my humanity. But I realize I haven’t educated these folks to be allies to the trans community more broadly. Because when it comes to people you don’t have intimate relationships with the words really do matter. Working to learn and respect the language is about working to learn and respect the different ways of seeing the world. One where I get to be just as much of a woman as any “cis” woman.

So first, there was the pushback against the word “cisgendered”. I came out as genderqueer and eventually trans in the  reproductive justice organizing community working on this big conference at my undergrad school. So I felt a strong personal connection to that space. But last year when I went back to the conference to talk about how reproductive oppression impacts the trans community I was met with the constant attacks on this word. In meetings, in panels, on car rides, and it felt like I was being attacked in this space that I thought was for me.

None of the critiques held up, mostly based on the idea that cisgender would undermine folks identities as women – which says a lot about how these folks see women whose identities are modified by transgender. So what does cisgender actually do? It recognizes that we all figure out our own gender in relation to that first non-consentual gendering. The first thing that happens to us when we’re born. You know, when a doctor glanced at your crotch and says “it’s a boy” or “it’s a girl” , forcing you into one of two incredibly limiting gender boxes for the rest of your life. Even though there’s way more than two types of crotches.

We have words that mean you don’t identify with the gender that was assigned to you at birth. So we also need a word that means you do identify with the gender that was assigned to you at birth. That’s all cisgender does. So when people push back against a word like cisgender I like to think about what they’re actually resisting. In this case it’s the idea that we all get to determine our own gender identity. That some doctor can’t find the truth of our genders by looking at our crotches. I think that’s the real issue. In de-linking gender and crotches we’re saying no one’s gender is more true, or valid or real. So by taking away cisgender, or by standing by while others in the space took away the word, this community has effectively pushed me out. It wasn’t intentional, and I imagine the people who did the pushing would be disturbed to hear it described that way. It’s just that they took away the language I need to talk about my issues. By refusing this term they refused me full access to the term “woman”. In short, taking away the term “cis” is a great way to perpetuate cissexism. Because when you take away the word you can’t even name your oppression.

I’ve spent a lot of the past year thing about how a community that gave me the space to explore my identity could also be so undermining. That community let me access ideas of gender that seemed impossible in my Christian fundamentalist upbringing. But it also limited me in some very real ways. At the end of the day, a lot of folks in this space were only okay with my process up to a point. As long as my gender fit within their politics and their understanding of gender. And whether they were willing to admit this or not, they drew the line at me getting to be a woman. The same idea is played out in the feminist rhetoric responding to the anti-choice attacks which folks are saying that “we’re oppressed as women because of having a uterus or having a vagina”. Which ends up conflating “women” with “people who can make babies”.

I’ve called out this rhetoric and the dangerous way it excludes folks from health care access a couple times, including at that reproductive justice conference. I’ve been incredibly moved to see a number of “cis” feminists embracing a new understanding of reproductive health politics. But there’s also been some disturbing backlash. Folks seem more attached to holding on to their particular line of argument than looking at the real issues facing real people who need reproductive health care. Somehow, rhetoric that hasn’t actually led to winning on this issue is more important than expanding access and you know, respecting people’s genders. When folks are willing to undermine their own politics to hold onto essentialist language it makes it pretty clear how much they don’t see transwomen as women or transmen as men. Which makes it pretty hard to feel like I belong in a feminism that’s constantly talking like I don’t exist.

And then there’s the way this idea of gender has played out in my friendships. Specifically when talking about sex and crotches. I’m so going there. So I’m sitting with a group of friends and we’re drunkenly scarfing nachos when a queer “cis” woman friend starts in about the grossness of penises. And there’s that same sinking feeling from every time someone ranted against cisgender in my organizing space, and every time I read that we’re oppressed as women because we have vaginas.

Jos Truitt- Your homosexuality discriminates against my peen

I glance over at Gina, who I know is as uncomfortable with this line of thinking as I am. And I feel like a bad transactivist just sitting there letting my friend say these things. But I’ve tried to confront her about the way she talks about genitals before and it totally didn’t work. And also, it’s not my job to educate you while I’m stuffing my face and you start undermining my humanity.

And then there’s my complicated feelings. Because I know she’s talking about my crotch whether she’s thinking about that or not. And I know she ‘s in the “I date women and trans guys” frame, meaning cis women and trans guys, but penis doesn’t feel like it describes my crotch. I never really understood my body in that way, and my own self experience has always been more accurate than what some doctor might label my parts. And now, as hormones are creating a new arrangement of erogenous zones, as the biological functioning of my genitals changes, the word doesn’t even feel medically accurate.  [unintelligible] I spend my long MUNI ride home furiously texting with Gina. As we’re processing what just happened like good little queers one thing keeps coming forward in my mind. “Yes that was fucked up and hurtful and I deserve better from my friends”. So why have I been willing to accept this sort of failure from my community for so long? Because we don’t even have the words. Being failed by my friends sucks. And we’re all being failed by our language. It’s pretty hard to advocate for tranwomen’s humanity when we tie gender to crotches and there’s not even space for our crotches in our words.

As soon as an idea gets set down in language it becomes constricting, limiting. We have to push the concept. And this often means creating new words to talk about the new issues that have come up. Language, like gender, is in process. But if we don’t set an idea down in language it doesn’t even get to exist. So let’s talk about that “I date women and trans guys” friend. By which folks means cis women and trans guys. By which they mean people with vaginas. Which could be pretty de-legitimizing to that guy you’re dating if that’s not how he sees his crotch. And which doesn’t even accurately describe the groups cis women and trans guys. There’s a ton of crotch diversity there too- like even people with penises.

Gender’s this big messy thing that we make out of so much shit. The person in this room that gets laid the absolute most only sees a tiny percentage of the crotches out there. Yet somehow, we manage to gender everybody. You’ve got cissexism and transphobia to deal with if you say you date women but you wouldn’t date a transwoman. Whether you’re someone I’m organizing with, my friend, or Cathy Brennan, who – update, I still don’t want to have sex with, but I do feel bad for you if your transmisogny makes it hard for you to admit to yourself how hot you think I am.

Look we’ve all got our attractions but that doesn’t mean they’re not political and informed by culture. Which brings me back to this. The language and ideas being deployed by my organizing community, by my friends, pack the same set of ideas Cathy Brennan is pushing. That the truth of gender lies in our crotches. At least she knows where her ideas are going at the end of the day. Essentially, reproductive rights organizers are saying they’re okay with my issues until they get in the way of their essentialism.

Tons of folks are constructing their sexualities in ways that undermine transgender identities. I’m over the shifty attempts to undermine my womanhood. Just come out and say it. You don’t think I’m a real woman because of my crotch. Or maybe? Stop thinking that gender and genitals are the same thing. Thank you.”

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[sic- I swear to god I couldn’t make this shit up if I tried- GM]

133 Responses to “Transgender “Feministing” editor Jos Truitt on how females are wrong about Rape, Reproduction, and Homosexuality”

  1. GallusMag Says:

    “Just come out and say it. You don’t think I’m a real woman because of my crotch.”

    Dear Jos,
    You are not female because you are male. Deal with it. Thanks.

  2. jen Says:

    As long as my gender fit within their politics and their understanding of gender. And whether they were willing to admit this or not, they drew the line at me getting to be a woman.

    Tough shit. You’re not female and never will be. Just because you never mention biological sex doesn’t erase its existence or its importance.

    Which makes it pretty hard to feel like I belong in a feminism that’s constantly talking like I don’t exist.

    That’s because you don’t belong, Jos. We keep telling you that feminism isn’t about gender identity, it’s about the liberation of females. Patriarchy oppresses us as a sexual class based upon our reproductive capacity, regardless of whether each individual woman can reproduce.

    Working to learn and respect the language is about working to learn and respect the different ways of seeing the world. One where I get to be just as much of a woman as any “cis” woman.

    No, Jos. We don’t have to play your pomo language games. We don’t have to agree with ridiculous statements like “I’m a woman, so every part of my body is female, including my penis.”

    Only the transgender cult demands that the rest of the world constantly validate their shaky identities. Your gender obsessions are a bore and a waste of valuable time.

    When folks are willing to undermine their own politics to hold onto essentialist language

    Liar. Your constant derailing with regressive gender bullshit does nothing to advance the liberation of females.

    We are not erasing you. We are simply focusing on our own issues. Take your entryism somewhere else.

    Your identity fetishism is not based in reality and is not a priority for females, nor should it be.

    • KittyBarber Says:

      Jen: Thank you. Well done! “You don’t belong.” I wonder if that ever crossed his mind before? Maybe next time that sad little voice in his head says, “You’re making me feel like I don’t belong,” another little voice will answer, “Oh, right. Maybe I DON’T.” Now that would be progress!

  3. BadDyke Says:

    “Our cultural idea of rape is incredibly gendered, even though the latest statistics suggest it doesn’t actually reflect the reality of rape.”

    Not sure what ‘statistics’ are being used here, but note it DOESN’T actually say what gendered ideas about rape are being challenged by the new date.

    Same ole slight of hand — IGNORE the biology and SEX (i.e. men rape men and men rape women, with women raping anybody being right down there in terms of stats). Then introduce JENDUH insteady, and (I suspect), suddenly create a whole load of NEW statistics which show the opposite of what we know to be the truth.

    So, rather than every man being a potential rapist, and rape being part of the institution of the patriarchy, now we end up with:

    1) doesn’t apply to me cos I’m a NICE man

    2) doesn’t apply to me because I identify as a woman (or if you insist it does, I’m going to insist it applies to you as well because you’re a woman too………….)

    “You don’t think I’m a real woman because of my crotch.” Your crotch, but more than that, your brain and your learnt sense of male entitlement, because no woman would come out with crap such as:
    “…but I do feel bad for you if your transmisogny makes it hard for you to admit to yourself how hot you think I am.”

    In terms of ‘hot’ mate, you’re right down there at almost zero kelvin.

    “Stop thinking that gender and genitals are the same thing.” Genitals and SEX, and culturally-conditioned attitudes and SEX are a pretty good fit though.

    It’s what we knew all along — they’re trying to get biology and physical SEX listed as TOTALLY IRRELEVANT, homosexuality as transphobic, and we’re all supposed to be attracted to ‘female jenduh’ as best-performed by these males, who OBVIOUSLY do female-jenduh better than any of us boring biological females. This male-created feminine gender (except now as actually embodied by a male, rather than just the propoganda) is what WE are all supposed to espouse to, and what WE as lesbians are supposed to be attracted to.

    And again, note the stealth approach of using our concepts against us:

    “By refusing this term they refused me full access to the term “woman”.” …….whilst ignoring the almost complete erasure of sex, and homosexuality, and biology.

    I think this makes it clear that these men DON’T just want access to our space, they want to REMOVE totally our right to continue naming ourselves as we have done for centuries (sex doesn’t matter, jenduh rules, and WE make the rules on what is what, so WE men don’t feel left out!), they want to REMOVE our desire, or rather reshape it in THEIR image of themselves (you’re not ALLOWED to say you’re not attracted to dick if that is what I, as a self-identified lesbian and self-identified woman happen to be packing at the moment.).

    And anything else that we MIGHT want to talk about (such as shared experiences of female biology, or shared experiences of being raised female in this world), we will no longer be allowed to name them , because doing so REMINDS transwomen that they’re excluded. Ditto rape and sexual assault, cos it makes them uncomfortable.

    “Working to learn and respect the language is about working to learn and respect the different ways of seeing the world. One where I get to be just as much of a woman as any “cis” woman.” Because you can ONLY do that by forgetting about reality and biology and fucking with LANGUAGE.

    Sorry for rambling, but this makes crystal clear how what is being attempted is a total re-definition of woman/lesbian/rape/homosexuality/sexual orientation, ALL so that transwomen then can feel they are ‘proper women’ and ‘proper lesbians’.

    Our experiences of our bodies and the bodies of others, our attractions, none of that MATTERS if it disagrees with the grand trans plan.

    “Essentially, reproductive rights organizers are saying they’re okay with my issues until they get in the way of their essentialism.” So, pointing out the reproduction ISN’T a fantasy but based on biology is a no-no as well now, because it’s nasty biological essentialism.

    • Adrian Says:

      “And anything else that we MIGHT want to talk about (such as shared experiences of female biology, or shared experiences of being raised female in this world), we will no longer be allowed to name them, because doing so REMINDS transwomen that they’re excluded.”

      Exactly this.

      That’s what makes this entire “I identify as a woman, I was born like that, so I’m born a woman TOOOO, and I own my genitalia, so my penis is a woman’s penis, which means female genitalia, so I was born with female genitalia TOOOO” argument so annoying. If people want to talk about some societally created “gender” expressions, and then sex separately, that’s one thing, but nowadays if you go there you’re shouted down with “this isn’t 101 anymore” and that supposedly people who identify as a woman (starting from whenever) now should be referred to as having female SEX and not even just gender. I just don’t EVEN know.

      I stumbled into it asking what the proper term for the line was, only to be told that there can’t ever BE any sort of line or that’s hating. So my attempt at “okay, whatever then, born with female genitalia” was shot down. (I suppose they’d tell me to use “cis” – but I suspect that even that is short-lived, because once people use it to draw that same line, it will be called hating again. The cool group will just be “cis-women” now and we’ll start hearing how they’re REALLY cis. In fact I’ve seen some arguments leaning that way!)

      In the original article posted here Jos Truitt says: “At the end of the day, a lot of folks in this space were only okay with my process up to a point. As long as my gender fit within their politics and their understanding of gender. And whether they were willing to admit this or not, they drew the line at me getting to be a woman.”

      I’m not so surprised by that, really. Certainly a lot of people who don’t put much stock in “gender” will happily say fine, if you want to perform one of the stereotypical roles, party on with yourself. I don’t care what genitalia you have if you want to wear a dress, go right ahead. You like shoe shopping or whatever it is? Prefer socializing with women? Fine. All those places that supposedly are welcoming of “third genders” and the like no doubt are this way too. I am not surprised that people who think gender is all a socially constructed category or performance would be welcoming of such things.

      But that doesn’t mean that they are going to say that born males doing that are in no way different from born women, now. I don’t see that as a contradiction at all – you can’t change your past, and Jos Truitt’s past is about being born as and raised as a BOY. Not a girl. All those places welcoming the “third genders,” the whole reason they have “third genders” is because they welcome that blurring of lines but still don’t just say those third gender people are WOMEN, y’know? And as far as I know the third gender people aren’t trying to claim it.

      As I said in the last post too, how would it go over if people were claiming to be transracial? “I’m not really white, not inside.” We already see how people are met when they say “I’m not really able-bodied, inside I’m ‘really’ a paraplegic.”

      • KittyBarber Says:

        The “trans-racial” analogy has been used in critique of the gendah-hoo-ha for years; transjactivists simply reject it out-of-hand. “Sorry, that analogy doesn’t work. (And you’re a racist for using it!)”
        That’s the only response I’ve ever seen. I think it’s so readily rejected because it so perfectly and instantly exposes the fraud and utter nonsense of the whole phenomenon.

  4. Ashland Avenue Says:

    LMFAO at that Monty Python scene – a more perfect clip could not be found, Gallus!

    Mr. Truitt: I do not think you’re a woman because you’re a guy. I’m sorry you don’t like having been born that way, but there’s not a damn thing I can do about it. Also, I SURE as hell don’t want to have sex with you. Yeesh.

    Moving along: “Our cultural idea of rape is incredibly gendered, even though the latest statistics suggest it doesn’t actually reflect the reality of rape.”

    ??!!!

    Care to show these “latest statistics” that show that women are NOT the overwhelming majority of victims of rape? And you wonder why you meet resistance. If that has to be explained to you, Mr. Truitt, then you need to “get your 101 on,” as transwomen love to screech at women. Not just your Feminism 101, but your Being a Woman 101. But remember: “It’s not our job to teach you!”, to steal another of your screeching points.

    And WTF is Mr. Truitt babbling about when he talks about how “reproductive oppression impacts the trans community”?! Without having even been there at the conference he mentions, let me guess what happened: A lot of women got together to discuss how to achieve reproductive equality – something that is VERY important to many, many women. Mr. Truitt shows up and tries to divert the conversation to transwomen, WHO CAN’T GET PREGNANT ANYWAY, and is met with “resistance” by the women. Mr. Truitt gets huffy and says they’re all just transphobic! The end. Nice try, Truitt, but many women are apparently laughing at your attempted guilt trips. As they should.

    • Adrian Says:

      Talk about reproductive issues usually leads to some variation of talking about women as able to get pregnant and the liabilities involved. (Of course it’s more about being ASSUMED able to get pregnant, but that’s mere details.)

      Once you go there, that’s “hating,” because you’re defining the trans out of the circle. Plenty of women are quite happy to do that with a “don’t let the door hit ya on the way out” though so then they will bring up how you’re hating on the infertile, because they hope it’s a more sympathetic target. So everything ends up derailed into discussion about how terribly unfair it is to define “women” as “able to bear children.”

      Where it’s actually about health care, they should be happy to blur the whole “gender” thing, so that you CAN show up dressed however you like for a doctor’s appointment at the proper clinic designed to take care of the physical bits you actually HAVE. Look 100% femmy at the urologist to get your prostate checked out? Shouldn’t be a problem. But it is a problem if you’re terrified of someone finding out you have a prostate while wearing a dress and carrying a “Female” driver’s license.

      I just don’t see how trying to make the gender binary more strict is helping with the health care issues. If anything it seems counterproductive.

  5. Ashland Avenue Says:

    I also love how he puts the word rapey in air quotes, and sneers at it. Like the whole concept is funny, and to be completely dismissed. Way to listen and learn, Mr. Truitt. Women speak and you disregard. I don’t think a more male trait could be had.

    • RoseVerbena Says:

      Exactly. If you want to see how little “trans women” care about actual women, just bring up anything to do with our fear of being raped by male-bodied people. They start the yucks, the sarcasm, the flippant comments, the put-downs — within seconds. I actually had one recently call me a “coward” on-line for posting that I do not want to share showers and dressing rooms at my gym with ANY male-bodied people — could he be channelling his male upbringing any better than this:

      “…exactly how much of a coward are you?…”

      Yeah, dude, I’m not a “coward”. I’m a female survivor of rape. Perhaps you’ve heard of us?!?

      • fmnst Says:

        I’m very sorry to read that you have been raped, Rose. My heart goes out to you. Thank you for being willing to share something so personal in the name of defending the rights of all women. Actual women. (Makes me sick that I have to explain who I mean by women.)


      • That’s disgusting that a transjacktivist said that you Rose. Was it on Tumblr?

        They just want us to either kill ourselves or transition. That’s what the trannies want.


  6. Wowza!!! That is a pile of horse shit that really should have taken more then an hour to shovel. It took me nearly that much time to read it because I had to just walk away from the screen!!!

    Okay… the one part that is just a major **titt punch**… there are not enough words for MALE to trans penis… but he has time to endorse words for the female sex like “cis”.

    Ummhmmm.
    Here’s a word for Male to T penis… cispeenie.
    See? You were born w/privilige… but I added the “ie” to make it
    *:・゚✧sparkle *:・゚✧ and girrrrrrrly!


  7. TL;DR
    zmog, I can tell he is a dude just by the length of that dribble – pages and pages of saying nothing, or talking about himself.

  8. Sargasso Sea Says:

    Stop thinking that gender and genitals are the same thing.

    I’m pretty sure the “stop thinking” part is the key to getting *educated* about trans.

    Also, I never thought about myself as a walking, talking reproductive system either but that’s the way the entire world thinks of me. I guess it’s only unfair when it happens to penised people?

  9. yttik Says:

    “So we also need a word that means you do identify with the gender that was assigned to you at birth…..”

    No we don’t because the vast majority of people don’t identify and define themselves using these artificial cultural stereotypes of gender. Most women don’t define themselves as sexual objects, weak, obsessed with shopping and appearance, who become orgasmic over the latest cleaning products, and can’t do math. Most of us actually don’t like pastel colored light yogurt and uncomfortable underwear. If we conform it is usually a matter of survival, not choice, and not identity. Many of us have spent our entire lives trying to dismantle these gender “identities.” They are oppressive and hurtful and they limit human potential.

    So much of the trans argument is irrational and contradictory. For example, “In de-linking gender and crotches we’re saying no one’s gender is more true, or valid or real.”

    And yet you insist on calling women “cisgendered” defining women specifically as the crotches they were born with, in fact limiting us to nothing more. And for somebody who doesn’t link gender and crotches, you sure talk about it obsessively. Every paragraph in there is about getting laid, penises, vaginas, crotches, getting laid, getting laid.

    “By refusing this term they refused me full access to the term “woman….”.

    “…Tons of folks are constructing their sexualities in ways that undermine transgender identities…”

    Woah, those are some self centered, overly entitled statements! First of all, you don’t get full access to “women.” Whether you’re talking about the word or the people you describe, they don’t belong to you. You aren’t entitled to “full access” to anybody. Forget about it, other people don’t exist for your benefit. And second, other people are allowed to “construct their sexuality” anyway they want. They are not required to construct their entire sexuality around validating your identity. In fact, how they “construct their sexuality” is none of your business. To say that a woman’s sexuality is undermining your identity, sounds exactly what many heterosexual males through the years have believed. It’s not transactivist or edgy or radical, it’s the same old boring crap. You know what many born women often do in response to the culture we live in? The exact opposite. They try to figure out how NOT to get laid. They try to avoid being defined by their crotches. They resist this idea that their sexuality is owned by a male who USES it to define themselves.

  10. bugbrennan Says:

    bugbrennan ‏ @bugbrennan Reply Delete Favorite · Open
    @jostruitt STOP DENYING VAGINA, YOU GENITAL DELUSIONIST YOU.
    50s bugbrennan ‏ @bugbrennan Reply Delete Favorite · Open
    @jostruitt “Stop thinking that gender and genitals are the same thing” – DUDE, WE HAVE THIS DOWN. YOU ARE A WOMAN. YOU ARE NOT FEMALE. DEAL.
    5m bugbrennan ‏ @bugbrennan Reply Delete Favorite · Open
    @jostruitt LOL https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2012/04/23/transgender-feministing-editor-jos-truitt-on-how-females-are-wrong-about-rape-reproduction-and-homosexuality/

  11. m Andrea Says:

    Thank goddess, thank goddess, thank goddess. Really, thank goddess. Just recently I had been giving your blog addy out to DOCTORS lately like it was candy, after getting assurances that they were in fact interested in visiting, and then YOU WENT PRIVATE. I about had a heart attack. lol 🙂

    Thanks very much for all your hard work!!

  12. bugbrennan Says:

    Reblogged this on Pretendbians: Exactly Like Lesbians, Except Not and commented:
    WHY ARE SOME TRANS WOMEN SO INSISTENT ON DENYING VAGINA EXISTS?

  13. m Andrea Says:

    We have words that mean you don’t identify with the gender that was assigned to you at birth. So we also need a word that means you do identify with the gender that was assigned to you at birth. […] In de-linking gender and crotches we’re saying no one’s gender is more true, or valid or real.

    Their basic theory fails completely to account for people who: 1) don’t want a sex change AND who also 2) don’t feel comfortable with traditionally assigned gender stereotypes. Transgenderism implies that anybody who doesn’t want a sex-change (or anybody who doesn’t want to change “genders”) would automatically identify themselves with the gender stereotypes they were assigned at birth, which is completely false. But the vast majority of most humans fall into a third category, and transpeople display zero awareness that this third category even exists.

    How would they refer to a person who didn’t want a sex-change, didn’t want to “identify” as another “gender”, and who also didn’t want traditional stereotypes assigned to them? I would refer to that person as a feminist but hey that term is apparently “transphobic”… lol

    And of course the last sentence in italics fails to recognize the existence of biology. I guess babies come from the stork? We’ve got all these lesbian-identified people attracted to each other, and sometimes these lesbians fuck and produce babies with each other?

  14. Old Music Says:

    Hi all,

    “We have words that mean you don’t identify with the gender that was assigned to you at birth. So we also need a word that means you do identify with the gender that was assigned to you at birth”

    yttik and m Andrea have pretty much covered what I wanted to say as soon as I saw this ridiculous line – none of us ‘do’ femininity ‘correctly’, and if we’re smart we don’t even want to. Strictly speaking, we’re not actually assigned a ‘gender’ at birth, our biological sex is identified, our ‘gender’ is assigned the moment we’re wrapped in a pink or blue blanket.

    Speaking of Feministing, I can’t remember if I found this link here or not, so apologies if I’m being repetitious, but there is a trans woman writing on Feministing claiming that ‘reproductive rights’ now includes a trans woman’s right to a sex change!

    http://feministing.com/2012/04/10/trans-rights-are-reproductive-rights/

    They’ve actually let my negative comment through (I have a different ID on Feministing), which is a real surprise.

    • smash Says:

      Good job on that comment, Old Music.

    • Darcie Says:

      So typical. Trans only care about reproductive rights and women’s issues when those terms cease to have any meaning, instead having been twisted into yet another trans defined issue. So trans claiming to stand up for women’s reproductive rights are instead going to attend a conference on the matter to take valuable time away from addressing real women’s issues, those that affect women broadly, to insist that “trans reproductive rights” be addressed. I don’t believe trans people should be forcibly sterilized in order to go through transition, I would like to see evidence that this is actually happening and where and to whom before we allow the issue of women’s reproductive rights to be forcibly aborted at a conference specifically meant to address WOMEN’S rights, particularly in the face of a right wing Congressional challenge to health care inclusion of women’s reproductive health and birth control. PRIORITIES!!!!

    • fmnst Says:

      It boggles me how so many feminist women and lesbians are allowing female impersonators to sweep aside everything that women have figured out regarding of sex and gender. Thank you for explaining to him the difference between sex and gender. He doesn’t have a clue.

      But he’s allowed to be the editor of a major feminist web site.

      What man will most women NOT capitulate to?

      It’s scary.

  15. Ashland Avenue Says:

    “They are not required to construct their entire sexuality around validating your identity. In fact, how they ‘construct their sexuality’ is none of your business. To say that a woman’s sexuality is undermining your identity, sounds exactly what many heterosexual males through the years have believed.”

    This THIS this THIS thIS

    And as to your last sentence: “She wouldn’t have sex with me, Your Honor, so I felt totally emasculated and humiliated. The bitch turned me down! That’s why I raped her.”

    No Jos, no sir, we haven’t seen your line of thinking ever. (rolling my eyes as hard as I can)

  16. SheilaG Says:

    Just another man arguing that rape doesn’t exist as a patriarchal tool to oppress women. Just another man who goes on and on about how biology, pregnancy and women’s desire for freedom from rape, is not real. Goddess, what an ugly creepy ranting face… reminds me of “The Shining” and Jack Nicholson’s character…. here’s johnny.
    Just another man “assigning” a demeaning word to women, whether it is
    cis, the b-word, the c-word– it’s all about anti-feminist males stealing the power of naming from women. Yeah, I’m a nice guy, I won’t rape you, why are you worried about rape?” Where have we heard it all before?

    • Darcie Says:

      “what an ugly creepy ranting face…” Yeah, not the kind you want find yourself alone with in an elevator or parking garage. Well, OK, I feel that way about most men, still…

  17. BadDyke Says:

    And how you make SRS a reproductive rights issue is beyond me, unless it’s just — you nasty cis-women get access to all sorts of lovely health care cos you’re biological females, and I’m being left out, so I want some too! And reproduction (not that I know much biology, cos that’s transphobic) is about downstairs bits, and that’s what I want surgery on, so it’s MY reproductive right to have such surgery (even if I can’t reproduce with them).

    Let’s face, we just KNOW that the next logical step is gonna be the DEMAND that they should be able to get uterus transplants so they can reproduce as the women they identify as………………

    They want our space, our words, our sexual interest, and in the end, they’ll want our dead, sliced and diced to further their ‘reproductive rights’………….

    I weep — they’ve already demanded it!
    http://planetransgender.blogspot.co.uk/2010/01/sarah-luiz-first-transgender-uterine.html

  18. smash Says:

    Thanks for sharing this with us, GM.


  19. I get so tired of hearing/reading males who “threaten” to leave feminism by saying they are not welcomed in feminism (if feminism is in fact defined as he defines it and the definition changes depending on what he is getting from “feminism” at the moment). Men who speak like this assume women will fall to pieces if he walks out the door. Please, for the love of the earth; walk out that door, because to be honest, you were never invited in.

  20. Bev Jo Says:

    Oh Gallus, that Monty Python clip is brilliant! That must be over thirty years old and is so timely! And yes, you answered him in one sentence. Perfect!

    These men just never get it right. Still obsessed with what men obsess about — vaginas — and they don’t seem to know that vulvas are what make female bodies SO female. But of course the male doctors can’t make real vulvas, but only pretend vaginas. Like most men, they hate our vulvas, which is why some are cut out of every young girl’s body in some cultures.

    Also still going on about “crotches” is so male too. It’s all fuck and sex to them. I never hear Lesbians talking about “crotches.”

    It’s way more than just pretend bodies for SCAMs (Surgically and Chemically Altered Males) — these men’s minds, hearts and spirits are nowhere near what womens’ are. They can’t be, they never will be, and the more they threaten and insult us, the clearer it is to all women.

    It’s like they are way beyond even most rapists, who want to maim and torture and possess girls and women — yes, Bad Dyke — they want to completely eliminate us, and particularly Lesbians, as a culture, a people, as living beings. Like how the women were replaced in the original Stepford Wives and Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Kill us and replace us with pretenders.

    Mr. Truitt “hot?” He looks like a man impersonating not a woman but a male cadaver.

    I’m puzzled by his obsession with Cathy Brennan though. She’s relatively new in all this, is far more liberal than many feminists who have been fighting the trans cult for years longer (she’s publicly said she is not a “radical feminist), she’s friends with men claiming female identity, and actually supports them by calling them “women” — “DUDE, WE HAVE THIS DOWN. YOU ARE A WOMAN. YOU ARE NOT FEMALE. DEAL.” and “WHY ARE SOME TRANS WOMEN SO INSISTENT ON DENYING VAGINA EXISTS?”

    Supporting the trans cult demand to call them “women” is giving them the main recognition they crave. Once that’s done, then how do real women have the right to say no on any level? Men cannot be women, are not, will not be….Ever. I’m saying no.

      • RoseVerbena Says:

        Agreed. They are not now and never will be women, she, her. I refuse to even use those words for them. If I ever do, it’s a mistake (a typo) that I immediately correct if I can. They are males performing “woman”. Not women. No way, no how.

      • KittyBarber Says:

        Put me down as a “No.” I am reminded of Mary Daly, who told us in “Gyn/Ecology”: “Mary Shelley displayed prophetic insight when she wrote ‘Frankenstein,’ foretelling the the technological fathers’ fusion of male mother-miming and necrophilia in a boundary violation that ultimately points toward THE TOTAL ELIMINATION OF WOMEN (emphasis added) …Our hope lies in our power to know what these prostheses and cosmetics really are. The artificial faces, limbs, conditioned responses, are dead matter molded into ‘life-life’ imitations of women, labeled ‘The Real Thing.’ It is essential that we be aware of the shifting methods of the ghoulish gynecologists, these sons of Frankenstein, whose specialty is ‘the science of womankind.’ ”
        Just say ‘no,’ indeed.

  21. Adrian Says:

    m Andrea says it very well.

    Also I find it QUITE telling that Jos Pruitt’s first angry response to being rejected by a lesbian is “but I wouldn’t want to have sex with you anyway!!”

    It’s the classic thing that creepy men putting the sex pressure on say when they’re rejected for being creepy and pressuring.

  22. GallusMag Says:

    Why on earth is this homophobic, rape-denying, anti-lesbian, anti-female, reproductive rights colonizing, male-supremacist dude on the masthead of what once used to be a popular libfem site?
    He’s preaching an MRA platform: Women are oppressing me with their female existence!

  23. Bev Jo Says:

    Oh you are right, Adrian. That prick is still using his same old sexist male entitlement to judge whether a woman is worth fucking. You are right, Gallus Mag — women have to stop supporting these men.

  24. Audrey Says:

    Cadaver…. good call Bev Jo… earlier I was thinking he looks more like a creepy skeleton male impersonator at the midnight show in WeHo.

    So if they don’t want to have sex with born women, then why are they so in to it then? Why the sexual obsession, the “crotches”– geez, I never ever hear lesbians talking like this.

    Just when I think Gallus can’t top some post, she comes up with yet more evidense of just how colonizing and scary these men are really becoming.
    Why would even a liberal feminist site not see through this womanhating idiot who think men are entitled to women’s scarce health care as it is?

    How bad are they going to have to get before stupid het women kick them out of feminism too? Feminism isn’t about men, it’s the liberation of born women? What is so hard about this very simple political idea?

  25. Audrey Says:

    What’s with this latest statistics on rape…. men rape other men, they rape women. Penis people rape, people without penis’ are not the vast majority of rapists out there. So this guy thinks that lesbians want to be around penis man, who’s calling himself a pretenbian or lesbian, excuse me…. hey I’m a nice guy, I don’t want to have sex with Cathy Brennan, and yike this skeletal drag queen is so ugly, I don’t even think other men would want to have sex with him either. Yuck!!!

  26. RoseVerbena Says:

    “Brennan’s been leading the charge on calling this idea ‘rapey’ which I think is a pretty clever bit of messaging. Our cultural idea of rape is incredibly gendered, even though the latest statistics suggest it doesn’t actually reflect the reality of rape.”

    I came up with the term “rapey” for this whole “overcoming the cotton ceiling” independent of other feminists, which leads me to believe that it’s pretty damn rapey.

    It didn’t take a huge mental leap for me to go from “busting the glass ceiling” to “busting the cotton ceiling” to rape. Then again, I’m not a dude in a dress and heels, so perhaps as an actual woman, I’m more in tune with what is sounds rapey to women, eh?

    I guess if you share your biological sex with 99% of rapists, you might be a little blind to what sounds rapey to real women.

    On the other hand, if you’ve actually experienced rape, then you don’t give a flying fig what some “trans” jacktivist thinks about the “cultural idea of rape”. You’re too busy recovering.

    • Aileen Wuornos is too lazy to log in Says:

      On the other hand, if you’ve actually experienced rape, then you don’t give a flying fig what some “trans” jacktivist thinks about the “cultural idea of rape”. You’re too busy recovering.

      This, this times a fucking housand. This tranny cotton ceiling shit just reminds me of all the other men who have told me what my rape is and what it isn’t. Fuck off.

      The uterine transplant terrifies me. I wonder how many women who fit under society’s understanding of ‘less than the less than’ are going to be butchered so some deluded narcisstic tranny asshole can have teh babies and his Stepdord Slut fantasies?

      Hey dicktards you know having a uterus doesn’t mean you’re a woman. Us women tend to have phallopian tubes, ovaries and all that other trans phobic (lol, auto correct doesn’t even recognise transphobia as a word!) biological fucking fact.

      These men are so much more fucked in the head than I even thought.

      • fmnst Says:

        I’m so sorry about what that horrible man did to you, Aileen. He had no right to do that to you. And no man has the right to talk to a woman about what rape is.

  27. RoseVerbena Says:

    “…but I do feel bad for you if your transmisogny makes it hard for you to admit to yourself how hot you think I am…”

    Yep. Just another vomitously narcissistic male-bodied nut-case who thinks his lady-stick is so pretty and feminine that every lesbian should want to pet and play with it. Ew.

    • Aileen Wuornos is too lazy to log in Says:

      The poor dear thinks that physical attractiveness is what we look at when we admire other women. Methinks this dicktards has been looking at too much at too much pseudo-lesbian porn.

  28. Bev Jo Says:

    Yes, you did come up with that term, RoseVerbena!

    And yes, Aileen! — “The poor dear thinks that physical attractiveness is what we look at when we admire other women. Methinks this dicktards has been looking at too much at too much pseudo-lesbian porn.”

    I’m guessing these men are so worshipped all these years from being born male that they have no idea how incredibly repulsive they are. And they just cannot stand any real woman saying no to them.

    They will NEVER get what they want, which is to fuck a willing Lesbian. It is a contradiction in terms. So they go right back into rape mode/mentality.

    • RoseVerbena Says:

      I’m pretty sure that lots of women thought “that sounds like rape” when they first heard the “overcoming the cotton ceiling” title. It seems pretty obvious to me that if lesbians want you in their panties, there’s no “overcoming” necessary — and if they don’t want to make love with you, then “overcoming” = rape.

  29. SheilaG Says:

    “Why on earth is this homophobic, rape-denying, anti-lesbian, anti-female, reproductive rights colonizing, male-supremacist dude on the masthead of what once used to be a popular libfem site?”

    Just what I wonder, but then again, this helps expose them so that feminists can take a good hard look at these guys. Rape denying… I don’t think they have a clue about what rape does to women, or about pregnancy… it’s all about their crotches, about getting “laid” by lesbians, about dress up…
    Best to just expose it and let the craziness speak to itself.


  30. Just watched this video properly and I have a few points:

    1. Isn’t it also really weird how both these men are wearing some really stereotypically feminine outfits (in a contemporary sense,) with the pink dresses and belts and nail polish and long hair?

    2. He harps the fuck on about respecting his humanity. Yes, Mr. Truitt, I know you’re human. No, Mr. Truitt I don’t believe that you are a woman. Because you were born with a penis and XY chromosomes and that makes you male. Countless women and myself pointing out that you are in fact, a male, does not mean we are disrespecting your humanity.

    3. Notice how he goes on about these so called attacks but doesn’t ever actually offer an instance? He thinks that minority spaces are for him. Not for “myself and others like me” or “myself and other marginalised and disenfranchised peoples,” but instead “I thought this space was for ME” = Narcissistic shit.

    4. “people who can make babies” (the way his voice sounded saying that, oh man, as if my headache wasn’t bad enough.) this isn’t a critique so much as it is, the way he said that just fucking creeped me out. Ew.

    I made it up to the 7:48 mark. And he starts talking about how the mean women made reproductive rights all about impregnability and boo hoo they excluded me cos I was born with a peen! I was gonna say more but writing that’s been stressful enough as is.

    ” Rape denying… I don’t think they have a clue about what rape does to women, or about pregnancy… it’s all about their crotches, about getting “laid” by lesbians, about dress up…
    Best to just expose it and let the craziness speak to itself.”

    “They will NEVER get what they want, which is to fuck a willing Lesbian. It is a contradiction in terms. So they go right back into rape mode/mentality.”

    That says it all hey Sheila & Bev. This is the crux of the issue in a nutshell. They don’t have a clue and they don’t want too. They’d rather it was all about them and they’re magical unicorn special snowflake female penis.

    Thank you Gallus for exposing this creep.

  31. SheilaG Says:

    How you look as a child is how you are treated. It doesn’t matter what is going on in your head, if you are a little boy, you will have this level of priviledge and socialization as a boy—it’s why male to trans throw temper tantrums for being treated the way women are treated… they are not accustomed to second class status, nor are they accustomed to how women feel in women on spaces that are being invaded by entitled penis people.

    They don’t know this, because society treated them very differently growing up than it did girls. If they have an established career before getting surgical changes, they achieved the jobs as MEN, not as women. They never had to face the severe discrimination women do growing up in the work place, and that’s a fairly simple example.

    I can think anything I want out in the world, but nobody can read my mind. I can be offended at the blatant lesbian hatred out there, but I can assure you, most het people have no idea they are doing this to me. So some entitled het women assume I was treated the same way they were, and they’d really have no idea.

    These guys have no clue about how women are raised, they have no idea of pregnancy fear, or the worry about birth control, or the awfulness of abortions…. it’s why they don’t realize why women don’t want penis people in our intimate spaces, and the fact that these idiots keep wanting access to our bathrooms, locker rooms and bodies is ample evidense that they are men. And who wants to trust them in a private space? Well I am not giving them the chance to rape me, or invade lesbian worlds I’m in, because I don’t want male entitled people there.
    Anymore than I’d want het women in my lesbian spaces…

    • yttik Says:

      “…it’s why male to trans throw temper tantrums for being treated the way women are treated… they are not accustomed to second class status…”

      Isn’t that they truth? They don’t get it either. They don’t recognize the misogyny and the sexism. They think it’s all transphobia and blame women or rad/fems for it all. Sometimes I just want to laugh, I mean, you feel like a second class citizen, feel like people don’t view you as fully human, well welcome to womanhood! Isn’t this what you wanted? Just once I’d like to hear a transwoman say, “crap, I didn’t realize how much inequality women experience!” The closest I’ve seen is one person complaining about how he earns half the wages he used to as a man for doing the same kind of work.

    • GallusMag Says:

      Het women in Lesbian spaces are awkward but to equate them with males???? Yeah right. I’d rather have a thousand het women share my tent than one male. Gladly. Het women are my sisters. Fully.

      • C. Says:

        I find that statement very comforting. I was just thinking to myself how I had best stay out of lesbian spaces as I’m bisexual. I still think I should in respect, because all the bullshit aside I know for a fact I experience passing privilege as a bi woman. But I feel much happier about doing it when I feel like it’s my act of acknowledgment of lesbians and their social creations and not based on my fear of being hated.

        I have not had any luck finding a bisexual online community that wasn’t ready to throw me under a bus for transwomen, but I have hope. I might try to bluff but I just can’t deal with being called “cis”. It is so deeply violating of my self, my life, my lifelong battle to own who I am to let anyone reduce all these years of struggle to being “satisfied with my gender assignment”. So much erasure of my self, my sister, my mother, my step-mother, my mother-in-law, my friends, my heroines; it’s agonising to find this on “feminist” sites.

        Anyway, thanks for saying that.

      • LC Says:

        What does passing privilege mean to you, C? Genuinely curious.

        Well before I ever started questioning the claims of transgenderism, I found ‘cis’ deeply offensive. I can remember as a child understanding what it meant to be women(as others defined it) and resenting being born one. But because I believe in biology, that makes me satisfied with the gender assignment… I hear you there, C.

  32. SheilaG Says:

    jen– I like your term “entryism” and it is not a women’s issue nor is it feminism guys, sorry.

  33. rahelle Says:

    Feministing and Feministe have always been all about the twanz and their ladysticks. But these last few trans outbursts have just been utterly and transparently hateful. Unfortunately, I’m pretty sure the libfems are too far gone to notice.The “third wave” is toxic.

    • RoseVerbena Says:

      Time to get the fourth wave rolling!!!

      Just say NO to pretendbian lady-sticks, “new and improved” f-holes made of colon and all the other insults and appropriations. Just say no to culturally-enforced, sexist “jendah” stereotypes, coercing baby dykes and “effeminate” boys into transitioning, media hyping of so-called “pregnant men”, sexually obsessed adult males being legally enabled to invade women’s safe and private spaces and the ongoing, accelerating pornification of woman-kind.

  34. BadDyke Says:

    Just googled the listing for this ‘event’ to find the phrase:

    “challenging exclusion in masculine-centric dyke spaces”

    Wot?

    Then I found:
    “Lesbian-feminists, on the other hand, typically argue that trans women should be denied entrance into women-only spaces such as MWMF because we were born and socialized male. These claims are also masculine-centric (as they emphasize supposedly “male/masculine” aspects of our history over our female identities and lived experiences as women) and cissexist (as they presume that our female identities are less legitimate than those of cissexual women).”

    So, masculine-centric means pointing out the bleedin’ obvious then — you’re a bloke, get out!

    Biology or fact-centric would do as well, I guess, in that we favour facts (biology, socialisation), over fantasy (I’ve got a female identity, honest I have), and wishful-thinking (but I’ve been wearing a dress for YEARS, which means I have AS MUCH lived experience as a woman as the rest of you!).

    How you get masculine-CENTRIC though, when surely the problem is that WE’RE being FEMALE-CENTRIC.

    Trans la-la-land all over again. Makes my brain hurt.

    • RoseVerbena Says:

      Yep. The mental back-flips necessary to keep up with their crazy are brain-crushing. I have no idea how they keep it up. I end up with a pounding headache every time I try to follow along in the trans cult song book. Up is down, loving women is racism and excluding males is masculine-centric…

    • fmnst Says:

      “Biology or fact-centric would do as well, I guess, in that we favour facts (biology, socialisation), over fantasy (I’ve got a female identity, honest I have), and wishful-thinking (but I’ve been wearing a dress for YEARS, which means I have AS MUCH lived experience as a woman as the rest of you!).”

      “Trans la-la-land all over again.”

      Too funny! LOL “fact-centric”!

  35. SheilaG Says:

    The problem with het women waltzing into lesbian spaces is that they bring their boyfriends too, and this has become rather a problem at a lot of lesbian places in Los Angeles. Being lesbians, we aren’t supposed to object to their “safe” boyfriends…
    So yes, I have a problem with clueless het women hitting on lesbians, making us into playthings, and bringing men in too.

  36. SheilaG Says:

    Men never admit that they are paid higher wages just because they are men. They never admit that there is male supremacy to begin with. For most people, any kind of oppression seems to be an experiential thing. Whites are clueless about anti-black attitudes, males are clueless at how badly women are treated.

    Then when these idiots cut up their bodies to “become” women, they have no idea that the discrimination is sexism or that the attacks are based on them IDing as women, and thus getting raped or beaten up on the streets. Born women prostitutes are attacked and killed all the time worldwide, but men who dress up in skirts and then get attacked think this is anti-trans; it’s just men attacking who they thing are women.

    Second class status is shocking if you haven’t experienced it before. I think these guys have no idea who women really are, but they modifiy their bodies anyway, and then assume sexually stereotypical clothing…. that’s their idea of being a woman.

  37. BadDyke Says:

    “but men who dress up in skirts and then get attacked think this is anti-trans; it’s just men attacking who they thing are women.”

    Yes, as has been point out before, if they ‘pass’ then they’re liable to get attacked as a woman, but if they don’t, then it’s probably homophobia. Some lousy reality show had a trans male mistaken for a woman on a date, and the reaction of the straight men when he found out was NOT transphobia, but just plain ole homophobia — people might think he was gay for being attracted to a man.

    Unsurprisingly enough, planet trans doesn’t complain endlessly about straight men refusing to sleep with them, because they KNOW that trying to persuade a straight man that their penis is really a ladystick (and you’re NOt gay if you find me attractive, you’re really not!), would get them nowhere.

    Yes, I know some straight men do get aroused by trans porn nonsense, but that just either homophobia (you can fuck a man, but if he says he’s a woman, YOU can pretend you’re not gay), or male porn-sexuality, which is just twisted as we all know.

  38. amber Says:

    Never think, not ever that the general population is any better than attempting politeness to transsexuals. Most dont like us, we make them very uncomfortable. They dont understand and they dont want to. In a sense the gay and/or so-called queer communities are even worse. They should know better, but they dont and many openly despise and disparage us. Cathy Brennan is an insane little virus, replicating her homocidal transphobic crap everywhere she goes. She is also rather unattractive, so Im not sure why she thinks any trans person would want her.

    amber_anne_powell @hotmail.com
    69.168.144.144

    • GallusMag Says:

      You are a 54 year old heterosexual man trying to bully your way into female and lesbian spaces since you “decided to become female” less than a year ago.
      You are horrifically sexist and female-hating.
      YOU are EXACTLY the reason, – the hetero male bullying female-hating reason, that lesbians and all women are rising up in protest of transgenderism.
      You are not now, and will never be, anyone who resembles females in the slightest. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.
      Also, old hetero crossdressers should not try to drop into the lesbian and gay community late in life and tell us how we’ve been “doing it wrong” for the last 50 years. You know nothing about gay and lesbian people. You are an old hetero dude trying to get your freak on now that your male privilege has maxed out your 401k. Go do that, and LEAVE LESBIANS, THE GAY COMMUNITY, AND ALL WOMEN ALONE. I swear the bullying of females is a huge part of the turn-on for these guys.

      • GallusMag Says:

        Good luck with that “thinking like a woman” thing you objectifying hateful freak.

      • BadDyke Says:

        Yep, that one quote from the guy says it all!

        ALL of it is the MALE created version of what they think women should be.

        “They dont understand and they dont want to.”

        As Brennan says, we do, we just don’t believe you and name this crap for what it is.

      • Nobody Special Says:

        I’ve wondered about that myself. If a man claims to really be a woman trapped in a man’s body, then why would he need to learn to “think like a woman”? I mean, if he doesn’t already “think like a woman”, then how in the world does he figure that he’s really a woman, other than that the thought of being one gives him a hardon?

    • Adrian Says:

      Because if we’re not conventionally “hot” no one should be interested, right? That’s how it works?

      You give yourself away so very easily.

      “Oh yeah? Well I wouldn’t want you ANYWAY you ugly thing, don’t flatter yourself” is a set-phrase any woman will recognize for what it is.

  39. GallusMag Says:

    One of the most (of many) disgusting moments in this video is where he says- and accentuates : “Somehow, rhetoric that hasn’t actually led to winning on this issue ..”
    As in, “you dumb bitches, you haven’t even been WINNING this whole reproductive freedom ish that’s so dang important to ‘yall”.
    The utter fucking arrogance and clueless male entitlement that this fellow displays in BLAMING “faulty female rhetoric” for the ongoing battle for reproductive freedom that we have been fighting for fucking millenia. UGH!

    • RoseVerbena Says:

      Do you know what is ironic, GM? I’ll bet you a thousand bucks that the first one of these dudes who has a successful womb transplant is going to get raped and impregnated by some hideous, obsessed, misogynistic freak — and all the priests and ministers from here to Perth are going to be fighting to force him to carry the baby to term — and none of these dudes in dresses will have seen it coming.

      They act like womanhood is really so very easy, that womanhood is in fact wasted on women because we’re doing it WRONG. They’re too narcissistic and obsessed to see how the great weight of the patriarchy is stacked against us like a freaking Great Wall of China’s worth of bricks.

      Women taking control of our own reproduction is so easy that if they were handling the problem it would be done already? Sure. Right.

      I guess it’s simply a matter of finding the right accessories?

      Meh.


      • I disagree. If one of these dudes have a womb transplant and get raped and then pregnant, all the men will be fighting for him to have the right to do what he thinks is best. And, if I know how the deluded male trannie’s mind works, he will carry the rape product to full term and “prove” to all those horrible female at birth women how it can be done. How a “real” woman can endure rape and survive a pregnancy and raise a child to be the next Harvard grad, CEO of the a large corporation destroying the earth.

      • Barbara Di Bari Visconti Says:

        How the heck can a womb transplant and then rape result in a guy getting pregnant if he doesn’t produce ova (eggs)? You don’t actually believe in full fledged embryos being transmitted by sperm, do you?


      • Logic is unnecessary in constructing (hence deconstructing) delusions.

        It is my duty to scream from the rooftops that whatever they do, other males will support them, and females will always be wrong.

      • RoseVerbena Says:

        I believe you’re both correct: “If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.” And of course they’d use the ability to carry a child to term to mansplain to us women-folk how it should be done. LOL

        (Of course, in my sci-fi horror fantasy, I was assuming a “women’s reproductive system transplant”, not just a uterus. Sorry if my post was vague or unclear.)

        The bottom line: they will NEVER be real women, nor will the ever understand our experiences as real women, but whatever bit of faux “woman” they get their hands on, they’ll think they do it better than us because: male.

  40. Bev Jo Says:

    Oh Gallus, after being subjected to pro-trans cult talk tonight that completely derailed an extremely rare Lesbian event with old Lesbian Feminists from the Sixties and Seventies who helped create our movement, it is such a relief to come here and see you and the others say it all so clear. Direct and honest and no convolutions. Love your style!!!

    • GallusMag Says:

      Funny isn’t it how those that call them “women” and “ladies” to their face are the ones that call them “it” and other dehumanizing terms behind their backs?

  41. Bev Jo Says:

    I agree, Kitty, about the support such men would get — well said.

    But I can’t imagine even the whole medical system would be able to transplant a workable uterus. Female bodies interpret sperm as enemy invaders as it is and try to kill them, which is why so many early fetuses die, often without women even knowing. It’s a complicated process for any fetus to survive at all in a woman’s body, let alone a male one. in some cases, if certain elements are lacking to control the early fetal growth it can move directly into becoming a cancer. (Reading about how female bodies respond to maleness does make it sound like pregnancy is actually a form of parasitism, and that maybe reproduction was once accomplished differently.)

  42. Rusty Says:

    “…but penis doesn’t feel like it describes my crotch. I never really understood my body in that way, and my own self experience has always been more accurate than what some doctor might label my parts. And now, as hormones are creating a new arrangement of erogenous zones, as the biological functioning of my genitals changes, the word doesn’t even feel medically accurate.”

    So, just to be clear, mainstream feminism has gotten so far into “I feel” land that it’s perfectly acceptable, admirable and brave even, for a well-known feminist spokesperson to declare that the anatomical term for their body part doesn’t “feel” right?

    It’s a fucking anatomical term! It’s not a theory, it’s not a completely arbitrary label made up by the doctor who delivered you. It’s not a label at all! It’s the term for a body part! Can you imagine: “Yeah but, ‘arm’ doesn’t feel like it describes my limb. I never really understood my limb that way.” Or “People keep labelling it a brain, but it doesn’t feel like it’s a brain. And due to the new arrangement of my neural synapses because of the medications I’m on, it’s doesn’t even feel medically accurate.”

    Seriously, if liberal feminists who keep telling us we’re vile for saying that things like this sound suspiciously like TOTAL BULLSHIT, if they could stop and just think about what they’re being demanded to believe right now instead of assuming that they just have to go along with whatever is said for fear of being alienated by LGBQT and lumped in with the very very bad radfems, so much would change. I still have hope. Transactivists need to just keep saying asinine shit like this and more and more women will realize that it makes no sense at all. I do not think they’re too far gone.

    • RoseVerbena Says:

      That’s the nature of all cults, isn’t it? Cult members start down this slippery slope at the beginning, where they’re being asked to believe more plausible things at first, but the deeper they get into the cult, the more preposterous the nonsense they’re being asked to espouse.

      With the “trans” cult it started with, “Of course people can cross-dress, why not? It’s just clothes, make-up and hair-styles. Actors do it all the time. Why can’t everyone cross-dress, if they want to?”

      Then it was “Of course people can really FEEL more masculine or feminine than ‘normal’, why not? Gender is just a collection of cultural norms. Who is to say what ‘normal’ is, anyway?”

      Then it progressed to “Of course some people can be REALLY male or female in their gender, regardless of their biological sex, because what matters is what’s in our big brains, not in our mere physiology. We’re human beings, after all, not lower animals. Our brains rule.”

      Then it goes careening over the cliff into “Of course I have ALWAYS BEEN really female sexed, not male sexed, because my big human brain says so and in humans, nothing but the brain really matters. I am a REAL female and I always have been; those crazy doctors that mis-gendered me at birth by looking at my normal male genitals are stupid-bad people who deprived me of my birth-right, ideal childhood as a happy, pretty, sweet little girl because they were soooooo closed-minded and didn’t let me pick my own biological sex at birth.” Details on how an infant might pick their own biological sex at birth remain dim, but somehow the doctors and perhaps the parents are to blame for this great miscarriage of gender justice.

      From there it’s a short bounce to, “Of course my penis is really a women’s penis because my brain says that I’ve always been a woman and as such, all my organs are female, including my female testes and my female prostate. Anyone who disagrees that my penis is a female penis and my sperm is female sperm is a hateful, ignorant biological essentialist and they should die in a fire.”

  43. Ashland Avenue Says:

    I wouldn’t worry about a uterine transplant allowing transwomen to be pregnant happening anytime soon. Remember: there’s much, much more to successfully carrying a fetus to term and delivering a live baby than simply having a uterus. The role of the pituitary gland, in particular, as well as other glands (including, you know, ovaries) in a born woman’s body all come into play. The hormonal balances needed throughout pregnancy are incredibly complex. They “tell” the woman’s body (and the developing fetus, and the placenta) when to have certain things occur, and much of of these we don’t even understand exactly how they happen. If the medical field doesn’t know how these things happen naturally, it would be pretty hard to duplicate them artificially.

    Bev Jo brought up how a woman’s body responds to sperm. On a related note, a woman’s body, when an embryo has implanted, makes adjustments to “accept” the embryo and not reject it as foreign and flush it out. Even if a transwoman was on immunosuppressants so as not to reject the uterus, I have to wonder how that would affect the embryo itself.

    I don’t mean to be stating the obvious. I know the smart women here all know these things, and I don’t mean to be condescending. This is more for the trans people out there who think that this will be happening in the next five years or something. Nope.

    The other thing? Good luck getting this past an ethics board, or getting funding for research. It’s a given that many embryos will die in the process of learning how to get a transwoman first pregnant and then keeping him pregnant. As we’re in a nation where many people are upset by frozen embryos that were unused by IVF couples being discarded, imagine what the outcry would be for this. I don’t think America is alone in that, either. Lastly, what with all the diseases around that require research for cures, I think anyone who would allocate hard-to-come-by monies toward getting a man pregnant would come under a considerable amount of fire. Oh yeah, fire! Yeah, they’d probably die in a fire. W’ev.

    • m Andrea Says:

      It’s also a given that all of the first attempts would result in death (which is hey premeditated murder), and then if scientists were to get the fetus to live, the second attempts would result in horrible horrible birth defects. So what ethics board would ever authorize the deliberate creation of defective babies and who would agree to care for them for the rest of their lives (provide health care and so forth) assuming that authorization by a review board could ever occur? If that’s not bad enough, consider the wacked out neuro-psychological brain defects, personality disorders, and physiological behavioral disorders which would predictably develop as a third result of messing with hormonal feedback loops about which they still know pretty much close to nothing.

      A biological male with zero activated female hormonal glands would have to be hooked up to an IV drip for nine months because his own body would never send the proper signals to turn on other processes, assuming doctors even knew what those hormones would be or in what amounts — which they do not, even for biological females. I predict dead deformed crazy babies. The ethic violations alone are kind of astronomical.

      I am not worried that science could eventually succeed, given a willingness to create deformed humans along the way, but I am concerned about any society which would want to proceed down that path. Why is anybody willing to sacrifice the physical health of so many humans merely to satisfy the feelings of a few men? Plus, after being the recipient of so much attention, effort, and money, it’s kind of impossible to continue the argument that they are “oppressed”.


    • Women and science, I fucking love you both.

    • lolliguncula Says:

      Wholeheartedly undersigned. That post about uterus implants is a case of very heavy wishful thinking. Just getting the implanted organ to ovulate is pretty much science fiction stuff – and I doubt it could ever be realized due to the many complications.

      • BadDyke Says:

        Well, Mats Brännström and his team (University of Gothenberg) seem ready to go, and predict they’ll do it within a few years FOR FEMALES. For patients I’ve seen (mother donates womb to daughter), they were going to use IVF using daughters own eggs. The point here, I think, is that the daughter isn’t lacking the entire reproductive system, and is a close tissue match.

        As regards ethics, the mother-daughter case isn’t so problematic — the daughters own eggs would be used. Depends whether using the mothers womb in situ using IVF would be MORE risky than removal and trying a transplant.

        But from this to males, who haven’t got ANY of the relevant organs or biochemistry — frankly, gestating the foetus in a box seems more likely.

        The point isn’t so much what is feasible, but what MEN want — trying to make themselves a fully-working girl-suit out of our bodies (hmmm, didn’t I see that in a film somewhere….) which is a rather different case to the sort of altruistic mother-daughter donation above.

      • lolliguncula Says:

        The point isn’t so much what is feasible, but what MEN want — trying to make themselves a fully-working girl-suit out of our bodies (hmmm, didn’t I see that in a film somewhere….) which is a rather different case to the sort of altruistic mother-daughter donation above.

        Oh, I totally get this. Seems that at this point in time I am kind of unsurprised and therefore less shocked when it comes to trans delusions. I can remember the exact same topic, uterus transplants for MtTs, coming up at Mishka’s and one trans poster seemed to be delighted to be able to disturb us by pointing out: “Soon we will be able to bear children like you and then we are REAL women and you won’t have a leg to stand on anymore, kekeke!” (Of course, he was assuming that we think that women are only women when they are able to bear children… *sigh*) It’s almost comical that we are accused of reducing women to biology when some trans cannot wait to define themselves exactly this way. If an uterus implant ever happens (almost impossible) trans will probably run around and stick their stomachs in everyone’s face and their children will end up as validatory items for their “realness”. Thomas Beatty already did it with her children, being able to get on TV by claiming she was a “pregnant man” because nobody wanted legal trouble. Childbirth was just a means to feed her narcissism.

  44. r1xlx Says:

    YAWN! YAWN! YAWN! What a load of nonsense comments from all the dykes seriously afflicted with BRSS: Bindel-Raymond-Stein-Syndrome – from ingesting all that vaginal estrogen.
    Lesbians must realise that everytime they put their tongue to another woman’s mouth or vagina they get some estrogen and it gives them the same dementia as Estrogen/HRT is know to do to menopausal women.
    This dementia and paranoia then outlets as man hating in general and transphobia in particular.
    The supreme irony and most amusing aspect of BRSS is that it makes the sufferer so crazy that they claim a penis-less post-op transsexual is wanting to rape lesbians – the more dykey the dyke the more ludicrous this idea is and is further proof of the paranoia as how many hetero men really want to have sex with rough of butch dykes?

    • Ashland Avenue Says:

      Of course, there’s no babbling nonsense involved in this comment, no sir! *Yawn* right back atcha. Go jerk off whilst reading Whipping Girl and thinking of all the ways you’re just the most oppressest, fool. The grown-ups are talking here.

    • GallusMag Says:

      Oh MY GODDDDddDDdddDDdd It’s Violet Grey!
      http://zagria.blogspot.com/2010/06/rose-whites-harry-benjamin-syndrome.html

      Violet you should have been here about a month ago, another trans was using your name! It was hilar!
      I’m going to twit Zagria on the twitter and see what they think.
      Hahahahahaha! I KNEW you’d show up ferealz one of these days, lolololol


    • “Lesbians must realise that everytime they put their tongue to another woman’s mouth or vagina they get some estrogen and it gives them the same dementia as Estrogen/HRT is know to do to menopausal women.”

      Wow, that is literally the most fucked up batshit insane thing I have ever heard. This is even more fucked up than some of those hallucinations SWIM had that time they took four tabs of acid in one sitting.

  45. BadDyke Says:

    “then outlets as man hating in general and transphobia in particular.”

    Well, at least we have the CORRECT link between man and transphobia……………

    Plus note the additional demented menopausal women shite (not wanting to be seen as an old woman is one of the reasons I’ve seen for older women transitioning).

    I’m obvously not totally up to speed on this particular set of delusions, but thought that stuff like:

    “BRSS is “a disease of the brain in which the estrogen from vaginal sex in ingested and then upsets the body’s chemistry that is stimulated to produce more testosterone to regain equilibrium. But this continued supply of estrogen causes the output of testosterone to then cause a masculinisation of the brain and the body which makes the lesbian feel male and seek more and more vaginas to get the fix of estrogen. ”

    is just the most bat-shit nonsense I’ve come across in a long time!

    Just when you think you’ve reached peak, another comes along.

    I guess though we’ve got the SAME threads of misogyny/homphobia and totally made-up pseudo-scientific sounding delusional garbage. In fact, if they only added in ‘quantum’ in there somewhere, then we’d be scoring top pseudo-science marks……………..


  46. thanks Gallus.
    nice to know how f***** in the head Teegees resort to childish identity theft.
    and how you rush like a gay wasp to spread your ‘delicious’ bit of tattle to Zig Zag.
    I’ll post it elsewhere to illustrate how TeeGees think and act.

  47. Feuerwerferin Says:

    I have found a pretendbian-phobic film! It starts at 02:24. The wife has fallen in love with a woman and has cheated on her husband. Now, even though she tries to stay with him, the husband freaks out. (I did feel sorry for him because he was cheated on but it’s no excuse to react like he has).
    Warning: violent scenes and repulsive straight situations.

    Apparently, some men don’t snap out of it again.


  48. Bev suggested I share this amusing anecdote here so here goes🙂
    I was watching the video of these tranny creep the other day and my parents walked in and both said in more or less perfect synchronisation:
    “”What the hell is wrong with that man? Who does he think he’s fooling?!””

    Haha, got it in one mum and dad, got it in one.


  49. […] I think the post is written towards young lesbians who actually are already onboard with trans, and when they say “I sleep with women and transmen” it could well include transwomen, because they are “pro-trans” and believe the line that transwomen are women too. Which is kind of ironic that Twitt is all “dear gawd, what about the transwomenz”. It could also mean that the young lesbians know that most of these “transmen” have female bodies (some without breasts), and that’s still a goer as far as the sexual attraction towards female bodies – yanno, the core element of being a lesbian, the attraction to female bodies and not male bodies. Regardless, Jos Twitt feels compelled to give these young lesbians some good ol’ twanzplaining and lecturing on the matter. Of course, this isn’t Jos’ first time twanzplaining. […]

  50. SheilaG Says:

    “Crotch”– that’s what it’s all about with men, and their use of this word. They are just rapists with weird language, they are unsafe for any woman to be around. And I bet that the stupid prefex “cis” was invented by these male idiots to begin with.

    It’s their heads and their male entitlement, and their stupid demeaning attitudes towards lesbians… “crotch”– I can’t recall a time I ever heard a lesbian use that term. Lesbians love women and the bodies of women.

    We want nothing to do with males invading our spaces, telling us what is in our own best interest or derailing the purpose of feminism, which is the liberation of women. The liberation of women worldwide from male dominance and rape. That’s what feminism is. We’ll just have to kick these men out for good, that is always what it takes.

  51. SheilaG Says:

    The classic characteristic of men, is that they are so exhausting. Their words so boring and self serving– it’s such a load of garbage that the trans cult dumps on us, when we have more important things to do than serve their stupid male entitled selves.

    • RoseVerbena Says:

      Yep. They remind me of that old tee-shirt:

      “It’s not the heat, it’s the stupidity.”

      I get sick to death of — completely worn out from — dealing with people who claim to be “women” but who are so farking IGNORANT about what it means to actually BE a woman.

      Women don’t expect other women to endlessly, silently listen to us and agree with everything we say. Women don’t expect other women to wait on us hand and foot. Women don’t expect other women to do our dirty work for us.

      Women CERTAINLY don’t expect other women to sexually service us, for goodness sakes!

      “Trans women” are idiots when it comes to understanding real women, because: real males.


  52. […] prominent Transgender activists – specifically Jos Truitt at Feministing – have decided to take “the personal is political” to an absurd new level, and push the […]

  53. forrealzz Says:

    I think someone more musically inclined than me needs to do a good rewrite and YouTube satire of Aerosmith’s “Dude looks like a lady”. josh truit is one scary looking dude. I got “Girl that aint a lady,” playing to the Aerosmith tune stuck in my head right now.


    • lolololol…..couldn’t have said it better myself forrealzz!! Too funny. I think “she” is really an undercover dude looking to spread misogynist ideologies under the guise of being a woman–just to look credible. So Glad I’m not the only one to recognize that her opinions are unsubstantiated and nonsensical!

  54. richarquis Says:

    I just love how the shadows from the microphones look like sweaty armpit stains.

  55. KittyBarber Says:

    Can anyone ‘splain this quote to me? “. . .penis doesn’t feel like it describes my crotch. I never really understood my body in that way, and my own self experience has always been more accurate than what some doctor might label my parts.”

    What DOES describe your crotch, then? Seriously. Help me out here, m’sister, or mister, for short.

    • Guls Says:

      ‘…but penis doesn’t feel like it describes my crotch. I never really understood my body in that way, and my own self experience has always been more accurate than what some doctor might label my parts’

      I’ve read this article a few times and the same line keeps sticking in my mind: I’m not sure penis (tail) describes my crotch any more than vagina (scabbard) feels like it describes any woman’s from her perspective; rather they reflect societies’ prejudices and the need for a convenient, universal scientific shorthand. Feelings don’t really come into it. We might as well go with todger, and woo-woo. More affectionate, at least…

      And I still decline to believe that females have todgers or men, woo-woos.

      For someone who ‘kind of hates obsessing over language’ Truitt is uncommonly verbose.

  56. Roman Says:

    “Gender’s this big messy thing that we make out of so much shit.”

    Well we agree on something. Though the gender we are talking about has two different meanings.

    I see gender as an oppressive system which forces men and women to behave in certain ways, regardless of their personality.

    You see gender as innate where you identify more with the gender aesthetic associated with the opposite sex and that you internal reality is more valid than the biological reality of sex.

    I acknowledge that you may ‘feel like a woman’ just as many people ‘feel like they a good person’, while continuing to abuse others. I just don’t think feeling something makes it the case.

    So yes despite our differences in definition, I agree with your assessment of gender either way- it’s made out of shit

  57. Sketcher Says:

    Mr Truitt is just sucking up brain energy at this point. Mad.

  58. thisismeandonlyme Says:

    I could not get through the article, because after the third references to “crotches” I couldn’t take any more. This man represents why “feministing” is such a GOD awful site. It is a GOD site for male gods and bodies that obsess where urine exits bodies and where penis goes. Because, that is what women are – either crotches as the low concept of “cis” people, or the “high” concept of the desires of men who elevate female “crotches” to ethereal desire of males gods in transformation to goddess, who still need to piss out of their dicks.

    I discovered “feministing” well before I discovered the so-called “radfem” sites. It boggled my mind how a feminist site seemed so…shallow…and didn’t reflect any female I knew.

    Until I realized this was not a site for smart women. Very sad.


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