The End Of An Era: Michfest’s 40th Anniversary will be the Last

April 22, 2015


Lisa Vogel, the creator and visionary behind the Michigan Womyn’s Music Festival announced today that the legendary multi-generational women’s encampment and music festival will end this year.

After four decades of overcoming every sort of challenge imaginable in order to create the miracle that is Michfest, Vogel posted the following announcement an hour ago on the festival’s Facebook page:

Dear Sisters, Amazon, Festival family,

It has been my honor and privilege to produce the Michigan Womyn’s Music Festival for 40 years. It has been my life’s work, my deepest commitment, my constant challenge and my most profound joy. Every single thing of value I have learned in the world I have learned in the process of being part of building this beloved community. Almost every friend and family member who I cherish I have met on that hallowed ground, and every single way I have learned to put my mind/heart/shoulder into the purpose of creating something beautiful that honors womyn has come from the sweat I earned on that Land.

I am writing to tell you that the 40th Festival will be the last Michigan Womyn’s Music Festival. The spirit of this community will live on forever, the friends and family we have found on the Land are eternal. Everything we have created together will feed the inspiration for what comes next. It’s possible that I will come back with something else, or that other sisters will take the inspiration of the Michigan community and create the next expression of our Amazon culture. What is true for me is that now is the time to bring this 40-year cycle to a close, stepping out on joy at our most incredible anniversary celebration.

We have known in our hearts for some years that the life cycle of the Festival was coming to a time of closure. Too often in our culture, change is met only with fear, the true cycle of life is denied to avoid the grief of loss. But change is the ultimate truth of life. Sisters – I ask you to remember that our 40 year Festival has outlived nearly all of her kin. She has served us well. I want us all to have the opportunity to experience the incredible full life cycle of our beloved Festival, consciously, with time to celebrate and yes, time to grieve.

There have been struggles; there is no doubt about that. This is part of our truth, but it is not–and never has been–our defining story. The Festival has been the crucible for nearly every critical cultural and political issue the lesbian feminist community has grappled with for four decades. Those struggles have been a beautiful part of our collective strength; they have never been a weakness.

For many of us this one week in the woods is the all too rare place and time where we experience validation for our female bodies, and where the female experience presides at the center of our community focus. A place to lay our burden down from the misogyny that pervades our lives from cradle to grave…a place to live in intergenerational community, and to live in harmony with Mother Earth. I know this is true for me. And I have a deep trust that each and every one of us can take what we have experienced on that Land and continue to create space that feeds our spirit, creates diverse community, honors our experience and supports our struggle as womyn making our way through the patriarchal world. Please take what you love about Michigan and use it to create something new and beautiful.

It is important that each and every one of us knows she is empowered to build on what we have experienced together on the Land. Everything you feel on the Land, everything you see – is something of spirit, and love, and passion for female empowerment….for womyn’s community. The Festival’s 40 years of culture and community are a powerful seed and our communal experiences have created fertile ground to plant in. I know that we will find inspiration and vision to create our next time and space.

For those of us who will be gathering for our 40th anniversary this August – let’s joyously hold up our incredible community and allow ourselves to be strong enough to consciously let go of this incarnation of her, with all the love we each hold in our beautiful hearts. Let us gather this August knowing that what we truly cherish about the Festival lives on in each of us, and more will come from this fertile ground. Let’s do this up together – Amazon proud!

I will meet you there in August – my eyes meeting yours, heart wide open.

With all of my love and respect,


michfest nite

124 Responses to “The End Of An Era: Michfest’s 40th Anniversary will be the Last”

  1. Miep Says:

    People I’m talking to who should know, are saying this is *not* a capitulation to transactivism, that Lisa is just tired. It’s pretty obvious that an event like this cannot go on forever if it’s dependent on one person.

    Transactivists will try to paint this as a victory, not being a cohort of people who ever let reality get in their way. I am wondering whether it ‘s politically astute to go along with that. I really don’t know.

    • GallusMag Says:

      If anyone deserves a break it’s Lisa Vogel. This thing has eaten her life for forty years. She’s been talking about restructuring it or stepping back for years. I’m sure the outrageous attacks and threats from men and anti-lesbian forces didn’t help.

      It will be interesting to see what the future brings. Perhaps a private membership-only festival where women are vetted. Amazons only.

      Maybe smaller, traveling festivals. We shall see what women come up with.

      Michfest Reunion Festival 2016. lol.

      • Miep Says:

        One of the very best things about the Internet is how it allows people with specific agendas (such as holding women-only festivals that are extremely lesbian-friendly) to find each other. I don’t know the details of the land ownership, but maybe MichFest will go on and Lisa can get to be a guest for a change 🙂

      • margaret Says:

        beautifully put Gallus – i needed that !- i believe that Lisa Vogel started the festival when she was 19 so as she approaches 60 i’m sure that she wants her own time – i remember how stunned we were when my Mom said that she didn’t want to host every event for our huge Irish family – how we took her for granted – Lisa Vogel is a true feminist champion and so are you Gallus

      • emmajune Says:

        Lisa Vogel is a business owner. She owned and ran a business and made her living off of it for 40 years. So, no, she doesn’t need a “break”. Who wouldn’t love to have that job? I love Fest, I will miss Fest. It meant a lot to a lot of people, me included. The loss of Fest is incalculable.

        But Vogel was a business owner, not a saint or an activist. She made a pretty good living running Fest. And she got rid of everybody else who was part of running it so that she ended up the sole owner and operator and decision maker.

        I have friends who say there’s no way we would’ve had Fest for as long as we did if Vogel hadn’t been a benign dictator. And I don’t disagree with them. But Vogel simply chose to run her business a certain way and this is the result. This isn’t about needing a “break” or anything else. If she just needed a break she could’ve tried succession planning for her business. She either didn’t or couldn’t.

      • coelacanth Says:

        Gallus, FYI.

        This is what the Canadian Trans-Propaganda-Machine-Inc. is demanding their followers believe about Michfest:

        And since Canada is a TransQueer country (or else — insert photo of man in a wig with a knife and psycho sneer), it has moved on from Michfest to a new “movement” (bowel?) called Occupotty:

        Canada is perhaps the only country in the world that has both a right wing and a left wing dictatorship happening at the same time.

        Canada is also the world’s first pluralistic theocracy — all religions are equally empowered above the law because they now ARE the law, especially identarian secular religions like Trans, whose highest courts are the Human Rights Tribunals that rule Canada with a left wing fascist force that would impress even Robespierre or Pol Pot.

        Speaking of identatian secular religions, here is news on a new Speshul Snowflake Inc. sect. From the Demisexual Resource Center:
        If your Queer group does not provide full accommodations for Demisexuals, you are going to jail for hate crimes against a religious group (traditional or identarian religion), you bigot you! Canada, total madness from Atlantic to Pacific.

    • no its called throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Could of had a great inclusive festival but she chose to make this the last one. What a copout.

      • GallusMag Says:

        Indiana Kelly Edwards is one of the most violent anti-lesbian anti-woman death-threaters known to our community. Read more about him here:

      • michelle Says:

        A festival that has to include the pigs in wigs is NOT what many women would consider “great.”

        The tranny contingent refuses to do ANYTHING on their own. They instead want to colonize women’s refuges and women’s festivals and any other space women want to themselves, no matter for how short of a period of time. The males simply refuse to take no for an answer. And yes, “indy” that means we are saying NO! to opening doors to the likes of you….

      • michelle Says:

        oh, and to expand on my thoughts…

        Some years back, in Houston, we had the Houston Womyn’s Music Festival that was held at the Garden in the Heights. It was only a weekend event, but it was all women. No trannies, and back then, the trannies respected the boundaries set by women.

        My now-ex and I went with her daughter. She was one of a small number of girls there in attendance. We had no compunction whatsoever about letting her eventually wander the grounds on her own. There were no fears of some male taking her into a secluded space to rape her. When it came time to find her and see if she needed anything, all we had to do was ask someone and within seconds, we had women that had her location better than if she was wearing a GPS tracking bracelet. We would NEVER have let her wander like that if we had to deal with the predators entering the grounds…and until the tranny brigade learns to police its own, that is ALL they will ever be as a collective group.

        We would repeat the same sort of experience when we attended Friends Fest in Dripping Springs. That event was a camping event held on privately-owned property.

        Sadly, neither event exists anymore…in large part due to the unreasonable demands of males to be allowed entrance.

      • Miep Says:

        So, Indiana Kelly, you wanted to come to MichFest so you could hunt down and murder all of us radical feminists? well how horribly bigoted of us not to want to let you in.

      • kesher Says:

        “Inclusive” == completely male dominated according to trans activists

        Nothing was keeping you from going, Indiana. No one would have stopped you, but you would have been one MTF among thousands of women, and, as a man, that makes you uncomfortable, doesn’t it?

      • ybawife Says:

        You cheeky nasty mutt!

      • mayimoktoo Says:

        Indiana Ike, why would you think anyone would want an “inclusive” festival? What’s wrong with WBW wanting to be with each other?

        I’ve read everything from the MtT side. it comes down to this: “We trans are ‘not-men’ and we like pretty things therefor we must be women. So now women must hand over every space and right that they worked & bled for to us. Don’t expect us to work or bleed because we’re super suicidal, totally oppressed and already doing our share of Tumblr!”

        With you personally, women also get “or I’ll kill you!” Because, as so many have pointed out, that’s so very ladylike. /s

      • Miep Says:

        I’ve got some guy commenting on my blog telling me his brain didn’t get enough androgen in utero and now he’s become a social construct and is feminine like all women. He is simultaneously recognizing the existence of social constructs and apparently arguing that they become physically real. Or something. Also he says neuroplasticity doesn’t matter because laydeebrain parts aren’t neuroplastic. I have asked what he is talking about.

      • Ashland Avenue Says:

        Oh, THAT guy! I remember him (thanks for the link, Gallus)!

    • michelle Says:

      In no way do I view this as a capitulation to the pigs in wigs. If anything, the statement being made is that women will indeed take a stand and tell the men to FUCK THE FUCK OFF!

      Trannies drew a line in the sand, made their threats and swore they WOULD be in women’s space…MichFest basically countered and told them NO! Again…

      I am extremely sad to see it leaving the picture, but it has been forty years of women taking a week for themselves, free from male intruders.

      Hopefully, the attention this drew will prompt other festivals to gain strength and resolve, or perhaps even see the rebirth of some that have gone into the memories (just in the past decade here in Texas, we lost the Houston Womyn’s Music Festival as well as Friends Fest [Dripping Springs]).

      It is times like this that I regret not having acquired some property near Big Bend and Terlingua that I looked at in the 90’s…it would have been a logistical nightmare for people trying to get there, but the land was cheap (under $50 an acre) and you could find multiple sellers that had more than 200-300 acres they were willing to part with.

    • Margie Says:

      “It’s pretty obvious that an event like this cannot go on forever if it’s dependent on one person.”

      I agree, but wouldn’t it have been obvious to MichFest too? So if they found themselves totally dependent on 1 person, why not divide tasks or have a rotation of responsibilities? Ask more people to carry the load. If there’s a shortage of volunteer leadership, then pay some people. If you need money to hire, then raise it. Do a GoFundMe, etc.

  2. mon Says:

    If someone could have offered me a million dollars to have never experienced Michfest, I would not have taken it.

  3. Lauren Says:

    I’m crying over something I’ve never been able to personally experience. It was my hope that I was going to be able to make it in 2016. Life.

    I will now develop high hope that something just as amazing will be created to fill this void and that it will also be a truly female-only space free from the destructive influence of males. I’ll also do my best to stabilise my life in such a way that I’ll eventually be able to experience whatever the new event will be.

    • soporificat Says:

      These are my thoughts as well. I’m too ill to go this year, and I didn’t even know it existed until last year. I was hoping that next year would be a better year for me, and I could bring my daughter.

      I can only imagine what it might be like to be in a place like that. I’m so tired.

  4. mayimoktoo Says:

    This is a lovely send off for a wonderful event that last 40 years against all odds in a hostile world. I wish I could be there for this last fest. My heart goes out to all the women who will be heartbroken by this notice.

  5. GallusMag Says:

    Lisa Vogel is a class act all the way. What an incredible woman.

  6. elfkat Says:

    Reblogged this on Adventures and Musings of an Arch Druidess and commented:
    This is so sad and so wrong!

  7. After all those years she deserves rest. I don’t think this will be the end of fest. Perhaps it will have another name – but I think it will be happen again.

    • gunhild Says:

      So angry that he can’t invade the women’s festival this time…
      I wonder what other people involved with MMA think about this guy?

      • Anon Male Says:

        I can’t speak for all the dudes in dudeland or mma fans in general, male or female, but the consensus seems to be that it’s ok to say you don’t like “her” as “she’s” a terrible person, but you don’t dare say anything beyond that:

        It turns out that knowledge about the “correct rules of gender” is a powerful way for elite males to demonstrate their elevation over other males. And this applies even in discussions about “human cockfighting,” strangely enough.

        Couple that with the fact that so many people involved in these discussions are believers in science, given the shit they have to commit to memory regarding steroid abuse and other chemicals, being that people accept trans’ doctors dogma on the matter, brain sex skeptics are treated like anti-vaccination types. “Science” says some people are born in the wrong body and that 2 years of estrogen doses makes someone a woman. And macho men believe in science!

        Given that the sample size of trans being terrible people = 1 for most of the MMA world, they have no idea how common that terribleness seems to be for the demographic or how someone’s personal choice / born that wayness theories are altering reality for lesbians and female sexed people in general.

        Also, given that some people will only encounter Fox documentaries and other PR pieces without ever seeing the twitter…

        Just like Zoey Tur could say women are too hormonal to fly and then have the media act as if people are being sexist for saying Tur is too hormonal to fly and thus Tur is a hero for fighting stereotypes — without any reference to his own sexist behavior…

        Correct pronouns aren’t about showing respect or proving humanity, they’re about enforcing a narrative — I wouldn’t be surprised if Fox’s narrative remains glowing and heroic despite his attempts at every juncture to sabotage it.

      • Zemskull Says:

        Gunhild: Some women in MMA, such as Rhonda Rousey and Peggy Morgan, refuse to fight Fallon Fox. So far, the league for which they fight, UFC, has not sanctioned them. UFC did fine and suspend a male fighter named Matt Mitrione who said that he couldn’t bear to watch Fox fighting women because it reminded him of singer Chris Brown beating Rhianna.

  8. Fallon Fox shows again how trans activists are their own worst enemy. As if lesbians would continue to support sick fucks like him. The worse they behave the more women finally see what’s going on.

    There are more lesbians then these gross men and I highly doubt that they will let deranged trans women rule over and control them.
    I know that there are lesbians that will still support them but that doesn’t matter if the majority of women fight against these monsters.

    • putting us all in the one basket makes you an ignorant bigot. We are all individuals and have very individual stories. When you exclude us you are feeding the patriarchal machine you hate so much. Ver y very sad. Nobody wins. Game over.

      • GallusMag Says:

        Indiana Kelly Edwards is one of the most violent anti-lesbian anti-woman death-threaters known to our community. Read more about him here:

      • Thank you for mansplaining the patriarchal machine to me, Indiana. I’m only a third-generation feminist who marched with my mom at ERA rallies as a child. I should ignore my grandmother, who practically went to college on horseback, when she taught me to trust my instincts and be vigilant around biological males.

      • Em Says:

        @somesickfuck, 11:13 “We are all individuals and have very individual stories.”

        Yes, and thanks to Gallus Mag, we’re reading them.

      • Bea Says:

        You are all male, Indiana. Putting all males in a big basket labeled “male” is not bigotry.

      • neme Says:

        It’s precisely because of males like this that we’ve reached the point of needing to set limits. If m2ts fit in with women, their presence wouldn’t be a problem. If “transwomen are women” were true this would not be an issue. But violent males on hormones screaming that they want to murder us simply prove the point. No one with any sense of self-respect or self-protection wants to be around these creeps.

      • Wassat? NAMALT? Don’t bother …. Thats EXACTLY what that is.
        You might be a saint for all I know, but could you tell your trans “sisters”, the ones who aren’t, to wear badges, rather than expecting ACTUAL female people to abrogate their fears and safety in order to ameliorate your lady feels?

        Of course you won’t.
        That would be owning your behaviours and growing the fuck up, and given the almost permanent adolescence of the average – MALE – I’m not holding my breath.

      • shediogenes Says:

        LOL. indiana’s individual story: you women bow down or I’ll kill you. boyd burton’s individual story: you women bow down or I’ll fuck you up. toby hill-meyers story: I fulfill my womanliness by jerking off on camera. and on and on and on. Why in the world we lump them all in one basket, its just so wrong. That would be the: you’re a sick, scary fuck, stay the hell away from us basket.

      • Dogtowner Says:

        Thank you, Bea, for that comment. A big basket labeled male, and if some males had to be in a basket with IKE they couldn’t climb out fast enough.

        Why don’t the trans create their own festival? Because, despite some slight evidence to the contrary, most males are mind-bogglingly LAZY. When you think you’re privileged and entitled, someone else is supposed to do the work. It is NOT work to sit at home and threaten people on the computer, but it is WORK to organize a festival, find a site, and do all the endless chores to make it happen.

        You can call yourself a trans, but until you get off your ass and clean some toilets, do some laundry, cook for others, vacuum and dust, you aren’t even a decent human being (yes, I apply this same philosophy to the upper classes, particularly those useless slobs, our “leaders”).

      • kesher Says:

        “most males are mind-bogglingly LAZY”

        It’s interesting given the latest line/lie from the trans brigade. The young ones in particular are convinced that just about anything women have achieved wouldn’t have happened without the support of MTTs, even setting up public restrooms, which happened before any of this madness started up. I’d sure like to know what imaginary MTTs were participating in first wave feminism.

        They don’t lift a finger to help themselves or us, but they’re content to take the credit for anything we’ve ever done. They really are the manliest of men.

    • mayimoktoo Says:

      If they were truly women, if they had even the slightest understanding of lesbians, if they had just the smallest taste of female socialization, they would be mourning Michfest.

      Of course, if they had even the barest hint of what being a woman actually means, they would have stayed away in the first place.

  9. Atranswidow Says:

    So very sad. Lisa sounds like a wonderful person. Her letter is very moving. That there are people out there who would sully her words with hate filled profanities is beyond comprehension.

  10. gunhild Says:

    I am saddened to hear that Michfest will end, as I’ve heard that it has meant a lot to many visitors. If the force behind it was mostly just one woman though, it’s understandable, and she seems quite amazing.
    I don’t live in the US, but wish I could’ve visited Michfest once. It seems like a liberating place for women. Of course, I hope that many other similar events may happen in the future instead.

  11. Kitty Barber Says:

    I’ve been a part of Michigan for almost all of its 40 years. I’m tired, and I’ve not had to personally face the challenges and the storms of hate that LV has.
    I think most of us with any history of the festival has known for some time that this is our last year together. Perhaps it’s just run its course. And while I’m very sad, I’m grateful for having had the experience of celebrating these many years with like-minded sisters.
    And no, there is no victory for transactivists. Despite all the threats, all the harassment, all the attacks–it’s STILL not about them. It’s about us. And Lisa is an incredible woman.
    I am a different person because of this gathering. It has shaped my life, my music, and my sensibilities.
    Thank you, Lisa. And thank you, Gallus. Thank you all for being a part of my life. A very big part. And for now, I’ll just say, “See you in August.”

    • Ashland Avenue Says:

      You nailed it when you said “…it’s STILL not about them”, Kitty. I think that was at the heart of men’s rage about MichFest; that they weren’t the focus or even a consideration.

      Anyway, job well done, Lisa. You done good.

  12. Tallon Nuñez Says:

    From the ashes we will RISE AGAIN! I have no doubt that we will create another festival or similar space. We will because we need it, and that means it ain’t negotiable!

  13. Jane (the first) Says:

    This news makes me very sad, but as Gallus said, Lisa Vogel deserves a break, and I think it’s better to end this landmark festival in glory than for it to possibly become another watered down pomoqueerbie thing in someone else’s hands.

    The question is where will the Fallon Foxes and Julia Seranos focus their hair-trigger tranny rage now that their bete noire is passing into legend? Whatever happens, their unjustified crowing over this will just keep the peak trans ball rolling, since as we all know, the more they get their way, the angrier and crazier it makes them.

    • kesher Says:

      It’s interesting how the rage just amplifies and goes on to find another target once they’ve achieved some victory or another. This just supports my theory that these are deeply unhappy people, and the victories only serve to make them angrier since every achievement just reminds them that they will never be content, certainly not until they find some sort of inner peace. As if these guys are capable of self-reflection.

  14. silverside Says:

    I fear that we may be devolving towards pre-1970s patterns of lesbian socializing and organizing. That is through small, inter-lapping of networks and get-togethers that are by invitation only or word of mouth. And they will be harder to monitor than before, since men and trans are apparently more intent on crashing and destroying than before. I think many younger women just don’t know that there is a whole history of men invading and infiltrating lesbian bars and other rare public spaces. Insisting that men and “trans women” be admitted is not a new form on “inclusiveness” or progressive policy. It’s really just the latest manifestation of a very old pattern of male abuse, harassment, and control, but one that is now being articulated under a new propaganda line of being “anti-bigotry.”

    Because I am drawn to history, I like concrete examples. Karla Jay once mentioned straight men who stood around the edges of the dance floor and masturbated–that was at Kooky’s in NYC in the 60s. Somebody might say that was just the way mob bars were back then. But look at NYC’s Dalloway from around 2012-2013. Also reports of “corporate voyeurs” in what was supposedly an upscale lesbian bar. 50 years of LGBT “progress” and it looks just the same? Okay, well what about the 70s when things were presumably different? Then we had men standing outside Peg’s Place, a SF lesbian bar, and threatening to “get the dykes.” When management threatened that they would call the police, the men smugly informed them that they WERE the police. That was in 1979. So many other examples: How about the Sweetheart Bar in Detroit, where men regularly waited outside to beat up lesbians as they left the premises? That was in the 1940s. How about Kansas City’s Tootsie’s, a lesbian bar taken over by predatory males and swingers looking for a threesome? The place got so out of control that a woman was raped in the bathroom of a “lesbian” bar in 2008–long after we were told that all these men were now our “queer” comrades. What about the man, a convicted felon, who was arrested at Reno’s Blue Cactus for possession of a firearm in 2002? Men assaulting women bouncers outside Portland’s Egyptian Club in the mid 90s? That’s not even going into larger scale male violence like the bombing of Atlanta’s Otherside Lounge in 1997. Or the raids by male police through the 1960s. Or the takeover and destruction by men, both straight and gay, of former lesbian bars through gentrification and economic coercion. I could go on and on. But the point is that there is not a magic time and place where men truly and peacefully co-existed in womyn’s space. Never happened. Young “queer women” should perhaps put down their theory books and start reading history.

    • Lauren Says:

      “Young “queer women” should perhaps put down their theory books and start reading history.”

      As a still relatively young lesbian woman I couldn’t agree with this more. I know what our community has been through and I know that history will repeat itself if allowed. Men will NEVER stop trying to silence us and keep us from having places where we can get together without their presence and permission.

    • I stopped going to lesbian clubs after so many “bi” chicks cruised me with their BFs. Made me feel like a piece of meat…

    • liberalsareinsane Says:

      It’s ridiculous that lesbians cannot live public lives; that meetings and partys must be done in private like a lesbian underground railway. Jaysus. Men are basically the stasi or the SS. All because they demand to be the centre of ALL women’s lives. What a pathetic, useless group of losers men are!!

  15. Angie Says:

    Those of us who are not yet tired will carry the torch – for ourselves and our daughters, and our granddaughters. We will be there in August 2016 to see what we can do about it. Let’s do this, sisters!

  16. Jane (the first) Says:

    The loss of any metapatriarchal space is tragic. The legendary Michigan Women’s Music Festival is a lot of things, including a useful barometer of political integrity. Anyone who opposes all-female gatherings will be hostile to true female autonomy, and supporting the reproductive rights that help to ensure unfettered male access to pussy doesn’t count, lefty bros. It ain’t enough to be “pro-choice”.

    Anyone who takes a cheap shot at Michfest or the women behind it goes on my permanent shitlist. Attacking it and so-called “TERFs” are safe channels for liberal lesbophobia and misogyny. Since the left as well as the right runs on female labor, a group of women eschewing the care of males for even a week is a threat to many lefty men. Women who say NO to men with their very lives are even more threatening. Words cannot express the contempt I have for liberals who take such a risk-free public stand, while pretending it puts them right up there on the cross next to Jesus.

  17. Margie Says:

    I’m confused by the timing of this. It comes only days after the transjacked “Task Force” pulled out of the boycott. Even the TransAdvocate pulled out of the boycott. Both incurred the predictable rage of trans activists. Then, just days later, MichFest announces that it is ending. Is there a connection? Was there a deal of some kind?

  18. Jane (the first) Says:

    The gloating begins:

    If I were a libfem, I wouldn’t be so happy to see Michfest go away. One of the main buffers that stand between them and insatiable tranny rage is no more. Then again if I’m smart enough to understand that, I can’t be a libfem, can I?

    Ask not for whom the tranny screeches, gals. Sooner or later he’s coming for YOU.

    • Ashland Avenue Says:

      Jane, that last line of yours! You are freakin’ brilliant. (Sorry I don’t have something more incisive than that to add to the conversation, but sometimes I just have to show the love, especially for something so good it made me spit my pinot grigio onto my monitor. And actually, I restrain myself here a lot. Otherwise, almost all my comments to everyone would simply be one of the following:
      1) THIS.
      2) Brava!
      3) YES!
      4) ^^^
      5) Exactly.
      You get the idea. I love all y’all.)

  19. Bev Jo Says:

    Michigan meant so much to us as a people. I remember when it started and desperately wanted to go, and was thrilled when I finally could. I’ve gone to the benefits for it here, and continued to support it all these years, in print, online, and in community discussions. It felt like the best of our Lesbian Feminist community, with Lesbians coming from all over the world. Our last bastion really.

    So much is about money is terms of what we have or can do, with so many Lesbians barely able to survive. Men have so much more money and the options that go along with that, like Gay men owning entire neighborhoods. We have not one bar left in this area with thousands of Lesbian.

    It’s no coincidence that men have tried to invade or destroy Michigan from the beginning, and yet, like their demanding sexual access to Lesbians, even the few who got in will never experience what it is to be with a Lesbian or be part of Michigan, because by definition we are not about men.

    Thank you, Lisa, for one of the best gifts to our community ever. Thank you, Gallus, for continuing to support us as Lesbians and as women. They can never stop us.

    • Men have so much more money and the options that go along with that

      and it’s another thing that the lefty, supposedly ant-capitalist, crowd are quite happy to gloss over when it comes to the position of lesbians in the (l)gggggbttttttttttttqqqqq hierarchy. We don’t have money or institutional power, men, including the trans males do.

  20. Jane (the first) Says:

    This is a great post by a Michfest veteran, and I recommend you read the whole thing:

    Lisa Vogel was 19 when she started this place. When she carved out this space that would give women air in their lungs. That would allow them to put down burdens the didn’t know they carried. To belong in their bodies and ignore the conditioning they never had lived without. 40 years later, she is tired and her work has been completed. She is a crone. She has other magic to spin.

    I didn’t know she was only 19! I bet she didn’t start out with much money. Contrast this with the entitled, often affluent trans “activists” *snort* who’ve spent decades whining about the festival, without doing anything at all themselves. These lazy bastards do nothing because they think women exist to do all the shit work for them. How dare some poor lesbians pour their blood and sweat into something that does not accommodate and prioritize me! The trans cult is disgusting, and their libfem enablers should be ashamed of themselves. There are no victims of Michfest, least of all them.

    • GallusMag Says:

      Here is the story of the first Michfest, told by Lisa Vogel herself. It is quite a riveting, even unforgettable, account. I highly recommend a read.

    • They can gloat, but they will never understand. That requires feminine instinct, which they will never have.

      Sisterhood is powerful…and out of the reach of men regardless of their “gender identity.”

    • Margie Says:

      I actually once asked a trans activist very directly: You folks spend so much time and energy protesting this lone music festival, going even to the extreme of renting property to create a protest “camp” – so why has no trans person ever even thought about creating an alternative festival, completely inclusive? Why has there never been a trans-created music festival anywhere on planet Earth, at any time, ever?

      The trans activist had no answer, but I already knew the answer: First, with a few exceptions, trans activists don’t create, they co-opt and they take. Whether it is transjacking the LGB movement or pushing their way into MichFest, it’s what they do best. And second, they wanted to get into MichFest not for the music or the cultural enrichment, but because entry would be validation of their beliefs about their gender. Just like the “transman” who is currently competing to be on the cover of Men’s Health. It isn’t about the magazine cover; it’s about external validation.

      • Miep Says:

        Dudes who crash MichFest aren’t interested in camping. They just want to get away with getting inside.

      • kesher Says:

        Not that I’m worried about men’s welfare, but it seems unfair to me that an FTT would be able to grace the cover of a men’s magazine. Who’s to say she isn’t taking doses of testosterone that are much higher than what you find in a biological male? FTTs aren’t the same kind of threat to men as MTTs are to women in the area of sports and fitness, but it still strikes me as ridiculous to allow someone who has such a masculine physique due to *artificial hormones* to have anything to do with a magazine promoting natural methods of getting buff.

        Sure, the male readers of Men’s Health can get those kinds of results with testosterone poisoning. Too bad about the tiny testicles.

      • LC Says:

        @kesher, I was talking to a friend about that magazine recently, and the defense he gave of it is that her levels of artificial hormones are *only* at the normal level for males… which completely misses the fact that males and females do not just equal different levels of hormones. Normal levels for male bodies are very high for female bodies. But even if it were true that her testosterone levels now fall within the normal ranges for men(and that she is suffering no adverse health effects from it- unlikely), what advice is a biological male supposed to take from her story, to promote her as a role model for men’s health? It’s impossible to compare the two!

        He had no answer for that, of course, though I’m sure my questions were quite transphobic.

      • kesher Says:

        “her levels of artificial hormones are *only* at the normal level for males”

        Can they verify/have they verified that though?

        According to Gallus, MTTs take a ton of estrogen. Their doctors give them a hefty dose, and they often order even more off the internet. They’re looking for the best possible physical transformation, no matter how toxic it is. Long-term excessive levels of estrogen increase cancer risk, and, if it has the same side effects as birth control, blood clot/stroke risk as well.

        Are FTTs only taking as much testosterone as would appear in a biological male or are they taking more?

      • neme Says:

        @kesher, Yes, lots of f2ts are taking twice the dose of T that their doctors prescribe. They get obsessed with trying to pass. Their hair falls out and their livers start to fail. Some of them get terrible roid rage. But once the obsessive thoughts are there, it’s hard to get them to rethink what they are doing.

  21. KgSch Says:

    I will see if I can possibly go to the last Mitchfest. It is sad that it’s ending, but I can admire Lisa Vogel for putting on this festival for 40 years, despite the attacks from terrorist men. Plus, it did have a very good run and it’s nice that the festival never gave in and decided to let men in, despite their attacks and the traitor women supporting them.

    We can still have women only gathering, including music ones and carry the spirit of the event with us.

    • neme Says:


      But one thing: Who’s Mitch? It’s Michfest, as in Michigan. Not “Mitchfest”. 🙂

      I’m hoping that is just a typo. That crazy man who posted on Indymedia kept misspelling it that way, and it’s disturbing to see it here. Not to detract from the rest of your post, just needed to say something before it gets repeated again.

  22. biodyke Says:

    Lisa has done a wonderful job for many years and I am grateful for the time and effort she gave so we could have such a unique woman centered experience.

    Wish I could say the trannie reaction was a surprise but it isnt. Here are people desperate to be accepted in our community, yet over and over again they demonstrate they do not have a clue or understanding of women and why certain things are important to us. They display, regardless of their chronological age, pre-adolescent male behavior, pre-adolescent male emotions, and toddler male anger. They display a disturbing lack of empathy for others…..the hallmark of narcissistic personality disorder.

    But, even more disturbing, is the depth of their anger. This surpasses the usual misogyny and sexism. This anger is so intense it is palatable thru a computer screen. To me, it feels like nothing short of a loathing for women.

    If we had to lose MichFest, I’m glad Lisa chose to go out under her own terms. The last thing I wanted to see was MichFest turned into a trannie circus.

  23. GallusMag Says:


    (Nic Cage voice) I’m gonna crash the Michigan Womyn’s Music Festival (self.asktransgender)
    submitted 13 hours ago by somefknusername18 MtF Pre-Everything
    At least I want to. I’m not sure how many of you have heard but this year’s festival is going to be the last ever. The festival has a pretty shitty history with trans women as they are completely exclusionary. They have recently changed their stance, but it’s just because they got an incredible amount of shit. I want to get completely dolled up, go there and have a great time, also possibly get belligerent drunk? Also I am not yet on HRT so kinda probably not passing at all but that’s not the point. Do you have any advice/recommendations/inaudible whispers of warning for me? Am I gonna get arrested or something?
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    [–]asdasdblahhi! 10 points 13 hours ago
    Please don’t do something stupid..
    I don’t wanna see yet another headline about “breaking news: yet another trans woman makes a fool of herself, let’s laugh and hate!!”.
    I would love for the public to think of trans people as normal down to earth people, but every trans woman who gets on the media seems to make either a spectacle or a fool of herself, which puts everyone else in a bad light as well.
    [–]somefknusername18 MtF Pre-Everything[S] -5 points 12 hours ago
    Yeah, I don’t plan on doing anything too stupid, just reasonably misguided. I’m a fairly restrained person, so I don’t think I’ll do anything too crazy.
    [–]gnurdette43 yo MtF 1 point 5 hours ago
    Even slightly misguided will be misreported as far worse than you actually do.
    Three thousand people all intent on catching you in something – anything – so that they can slander us all forever with it. Why would you feed yourself into that?
    [–]Thessalonike 5 points 5 hours ago
    Please don’t do this. If the festival is dying, then let’s let it die with dignity.
    [–]gnurdette43 yo MtF 4 points 5 hours ago*
    Worst idea I can even imagine.
    Why would you waste a week that’s supposed to be all about togetherness with people who don’t want you there?
    And they will be striving with all their might to find anything that they can possibly construe as bad behavior by a trans person.
    possibly get belligerent drunk?
    In which case TERFs will be publishing and re-publishing exaggerated descriptions of your slightest misdeeds for the rest of their lives.
    And all that’s in a normal year. This year all the TERFs will be busy riling each other up about how evil trans people destroyed their precious festival. It’s their last chance to demonstrate to one another in person how much they hate you.
    Do. Not. Go.
    [–]emily_purdy_pants 1 point 13 hours ago
    The organizers say it’s not a rule, it’s a guide line they would like people to follow, blah blah blah honor system blah blah something like that.
    [–]somefknusername18 MtF Pre-Everything[S] -2 points 12 hours ago
    … rules were made to be broken?
    [–]Slutty_SamLesbian pre-transition dweeb -5 points 13 hours ago
    So was your whole post in a Nic Cage voice or just the title?
    I say go for it girl. The worst that can happen is you get kicked out. Well there’s also possible harassment and bullying but to be honest from your post it sounds like you don’t really care since you’re not interested in passing or anything. There is the getting piss drunk part that could get you arrested but that’s a whole other story. But yeah, if you don’t care about what people think do it. You’ll have fun. Bring some friends so you’ll have protection and people you can talk to.
    [–]somefknusername18 MtF Pre-Everything[S] -3 points 12 hours ago
    Oh, I’ll get hella protection. I would never do this alone, b/c that’s scary as hell. Safety first.
    [–]Slutty_SamLesbian pre-transition dweeb 1 point 6 hours ago
    Ah okay good for you!

    • mon Says:

      Sticking your dick in a bee’s hive sounds like a fun idea too.

    • Ashland Avenue Says:

      Aw, little boy all pumped up on testosterone! You’re damn right we would document EVERYTHING. And tag it with your name, so it would follow you around online forEVER (I’d make damn sure of that), revealing you as the drunken abuser of women that you are. Go ahead and do that, little boy. See how that works out for you.

  24. This is incredibly sad, though I can certainly understand why the founder would end it. I’m not an outdoorsy type woman, so Michfest wasn’t my cup of tea, but I still thrill at the notion of a space that’s totally occupied by women-only. It sounds like a dream, a chimera. Though I didn’t want to attend myself, I had hoped to sponsor a young black woman and might still do so if finances permit.

  25. Reblogged this on musingformuses and commented:
    I wanted to go last year but was too busy, too afraid. I’m going this year, “Lord willin and the creek don’t rise” as my Grandma would say. And I’m going to give as much as I can to the scholarship fund. I hope to meet some of the radfems who have inspired me in blogland.

    • marymacha Says:

      Right, ’cause it’s always all about them.

    • Miep Says:

      Yes, Sophia, if transgenders are interested in a woman’s business, everything she does is always about them. That is, if you’re clinically paranoid.

    • uterusesb4duderuses Says:


      Even though this is the end, I am kicking my own ass and getting it to Michigan this year. I want to have the chance to experience it as it is before something new bubbles up.

    • they make everything about themselves. Typical narcisstic behaviour.

    • AreUSayingWhatUThink Says:


    • K Says:

      Wait– ‘attack’? Because now you can’t sneak in and tell everyone that you were ‘so stealth’ you fooled every woman there? Is there ANY time these guys aren’t completely obvious about themselves…

  26. weirdward Says:

    When I heard about this, I thought of all the young, clueless women who are probably celebrating and happily anticipating all those old dinosaurs going to their graves. And then I thought, if the 2nd wave ever does truly disappear, those young women are going to be utterly shocked at how bad things get for them and with what speed, because right now the remnants of the 2nd wave are all that’s standing between those clueless women and a misogyny more virulent and ugly than any of them can imagine. And if that day ever comes, not one of their male allies is going to help them; in fact, the male allies will be there gleefully doing the abusing.

    • Miep Says:

      Yeah, enabling damage to other women like this requires a great deal of denial. And the more damage you enable, the harder it is to stop lying to yourself, because then you have to deal with a lot of guilt. It’s like some kind of spell.

      It’s hard not to be angry at enablers, even while seeing they are victims too.

      • weirdward Says:

        I agree they are victims of men, and we should never forget where the true responsibility lies. At the same time, these women really are utterly clueless. They have no idea what they’re doing, and no idea what’s coming if real feminist consciousness and activism dies out. If it ever happens, which I truly hope it won’t, it will be an horrific awakening for a lot of them.

      • KgSch Says:

        Frankly, I am angry at the enablers/collaborators and I don’t see them as victims. There’s nothing wrong with being mad at people who betray you; you don’t have to suppress your anger. Yes, their behavior will eventually bite them in the butt when their male “friends” impersonating women (and other male “friends”) turn on them, but everyone has free will and right now they are choosing to betray other women, especially lesbians to the trans cult. Plus, we all know that when things get really bad they will come crying to the radical lesbian feminists who they have previously told to die in a fire. We don’t call prominent female Republican politicians victims (at least I hope not) so I don’t think we should call women celebrating the end of Mitchfest victims either.

      • Miep Says:

        I would never call any prominent politician a victim. Once you have enough money to live in comfort for the rest of your life, no matter what work you choose, you have to try harder for me to consider you a victim.

    • australopithecene Says:

      Weirdward, absolutely spot on. The misogyny of transactivism and the mra movement of the last decade is unlike anything I’ve seen. As a mother of daughters, it really scares me.

      • Atranswidow Says:

        Yes, and as the mother of sons it scares me. I feel a great responsibility to raise them so that they have the qualities necessary to respect others, but also to question what they are being told, and to resist the allure of following the crowd.

    • liberalsareinsane Says:

      This X10.

    • Come on! You sound like there is not a single young woman who supports second wave feminism.

      Quite the opposite is true. More and more young women go from being a libfem to a supporter of radical feminism because they realize how misogynistic and homophobic the third wave movement, queer theory and identity politics are.

      This is also thanks to the gross behaviour of trans activists.

      • Miep Says:

        Yeah, I have quite a few young female friends on the Book of Face who are substantially identified with radical feminism, some of them are brilliant.

    • Ashland Avenue Says:

      Exactly, Weirdward. I grew up with a working mother during the ’70s, and the stories she would tell of her work day…the funfems have NO clue as to how bad it can be. I listened to second wave feminists, and I’m so glad I did.

    • Loup-loup garou Says:

      I agree about how bad things have gotten and how much worse they could get. However, I’m cautiously optimistic that we’re about to see the mother of all backlashes against third-wave faux-feminism from the women who had to grow up with it.

    • K Says:

      @KgSch: I second this opinion. The reality is that this is 2015, and there are other places to read about feminism than commercialized media blogs run with the specific purpose of molding young women.

      They have more access to the words of past feminists than ever before, and there are incredible places like GT where actual discussions happen almost daily. Even if they completely buy into the notion that they must champion for men in skirts, the words that our people have written and continue to write can’t just be ignored. Sooner or later, people who are honest about reality are preferable to someone who looks at you as a validity prize.

      The options are there, and those that chose not to take them are actively choosing to be against women and lesbians.

      • KgSch Says:

        Thanks! That’s a good point too. It is easier then ever to read radical feminist blogs and books thanks to the internet. Women can betray other women, so I have no pity for women doing the trans cult’s dirty work. If they ceased their behavior, it would be a lot easier to have women/lesbian-only spaces.

  27. It doesn’t surprise me that Men’s Rights News is celebrating the end of Mich Fest.

    Well said weirdward,

    “…And then I thought, if the 2nd wave ever does truly disappear, those young women are going to be utterly shocked at how bad things get for them and with what speed, because right now the remnants of the 2nd wave are all that’s standing between those clueless women and a misogyny more virulent and ugly than any of them can imagine. And if that day ever comes, not one of their male allies is going to help them; in fact, the male allies will be there gleefully doing the abusing…”

    In future sexpozzie Pomo world, if “TERF” ever goes out of style, I wonder what kind of word they would come up to describe women who won’t submit to “50 Shades of Grey” sexy play time with the boyfriend or husband.

  28. Mary Sunshine Says:

    Reblogged this on Female Biology Matters and commented:
    If you haven’t read GallusMag’s tribute to Lisa Vogel on the occasion of the last Michfest, here it is. For 40 years, female biology had a place of her own. It was bliss. Thank you, Lisa. I love you.

  29. silverside Says:

    Generally speaking, the political middle (liberals generally, liberal feminism specifically) only has power insofar as it serves as a buffer/negotiating tool between the powers that be and the radical wing pushing for change. They can concede all these things to power while saying, now grant us these crumbs because there are all these crazies (“militant dykes” etc.) agitating for more. So they get approval, some pats on the head for being the good girls (abortion rights from liberal men who want responsibility-free access to female bodies and so forth). In return they help verbally bash the radical wing and work on denying it free speech rights (no access to major LGBT/liberal media) and no right to public meeting or assembly, at least not without major chaos and disruption. What these women don’t understand is that if the radical wing disappears or is effectively driven underground, they have no negotiating power left. The men don’t need them anymore. They don’t need their token leadership in their organizations. They don’t need to listen to the demands, no matter how sweetly they are articulated, no matter how modest they are. Anybody who reads any account of any political movement should know that this is the essential dynamic. It’s all about what used to be called political opportunism. What these women apparently don’t get it that they NEED the radical wing, or even their personal petty power position with these dudes is toast.

    One other thought. Has anybody else had the impression that the gang up on Michfest was a lot like domestic violence by proxy? For those who aren’t familiar with the concept, it’s not just that batterers physically beat up their victims. It’s that they enlist those in authority–doctors, lawyers, judges, police–to do a lot of their dirty work for them. So you get women arrested and charged with crimes for what was essentially self-defense. You get women diagnosed with “personality disorders.” You get women losing custody of their children in family court for believing their kids were sexually abused. On and on. In other words, the trans couldn’t just have a peaceful picket outside the doors. They had to bring in Gay Inc. and force Michfest in to dealing with economic sanctions, lawyers, lawsuits. They didn’t do this against a major corporation or establishment entity. They did this to a once a year women’s festival in a remote area of Michigan on private land. To my mind, this is totally like DV by proxy.

  30. @Silverside, well said…

    “They had to bring in Gay Inc. and force Michfest in to dealing with economic sanctions, lawyers, lawsuits. They didn’t do this against a major corporation or establishment entity. They did this to a once a year women’s festival in a remote area of Michigan on private land. To my mind, this is totally like DV by proxy.”

    Silverside always has insightful comments, and I love the way she phrases things.

    Lesbians have never had any power in any major LGBT organization. The attack on Mich Fest is just further proof that the HRC – HuMAN Rights Campaign, etc. are nothing more than MRA (men’s rights) organizations. Men control most of corporate America, so why would women think that the Gay Inc. actually cares about women? Gay Inc. takes misogyny one step further. Even the most misogynistic CEO wouldn’t go after a small women’s music festival, and tell women what they can do on their own land.


    “One other thought. Has anybody else had the impression that the gang up on Michfest was a lot like domestic violence by proxy? For those who aren’t familiar with the concept, it’s not just that batterers physically beat up their victims….”

    It does actually feel like DVP in that it is designed to break the will of women, to wear them down, physically, and emotionally.

    Similar to the sexist and lesbian phobic “Cotton Ceiling”, it’s all about violating the boundaries of women, and breaking the will power of women. Men have always felt entitled to violate the boundaries of women. Women reacted so negatively towards this hateful attack on Mich Fest because it does, indeed, feel like a violation. Women will be harassed and forced to submit, even if it’s on their own property.

    They knew how offensive the “Cotton Ceiling” was to lesbians, but they did it anyway. They knew how bitterly divisive the attack on Mich Fest was, but they did it anyway. It’s easy to attack lesbians and women because they have no power.

    The “Cotton Ceiling” felt like the rape of my lesbian soul, and the hateful attack on Michigan Women’s Music Festival felt like a kick in the gut.

    Women, do not give one cent to any major LGBT organization. They will sell us out time and time again.

    • KgSch Says:

      That’s a good point. Even far-right conservatives and misogynistic CEO don’t pull the domestic violence by proxy move on Michfest. Gay Inc did.

      For anyone who supports women/lesbians, it might interest you to know that the main reason lesbians end up included in the LGBT+ is because when AIDS first showed up, gay men needed caretakers. Including lesbians in the ever-expanding alphabet soup labels has always been since the beginning a way to steal resources from us. A good example is AIDS charities where the executives make six-figure salaries. Do you know how many lesbians have AIDS? Not a lot because males are the primary vectors of STDS. Instead, a lot of us have cancer, reproductive health issues, illnesses from chemical exposure (comes from having a high poverty rate), and really all the health issues you have from getting older. Guess how much of the budget from the “L”GBT+ organizations goes to those issues.

      Anyway, the point is it has always been a money grab, though we may have had ever so slightly more return a couple of decades ago. Or at the very least weren’t expected to believe that violent hetero males were really women.

      But SkyLark Phillips is absolutely right! DO NOT give money to these people if you care at all about women/lesbians! I wish I could suggest alternate charities/organizations, but I know of none at the moment.

  31. biodyke Says:

    I fear for the future of this generation of young women. They truly have no clue what or who they are dealing with. If they arent in bed with their oppressors, they think they can negotiate with them. They dont even understand there is a war on women going on.

    Their neoliberalism has already set women back a good 30 years. MRA’s have never had as much power as they do now. Rape is now a public sporting event. Domestic violence rates are going up. Male anger, in and out of dresses has surpassed the usual misogyny and sexism, and has reached full force loathing.

    It is also disturbing that 24% of all new cases of HIV are transwomen, most of whom are not being treated. Considering the trans community and gay male community believe in screwing anything and everyone regardless of sex or sexual orientation, it is just a matter of time before this becomes a woman’s issue via sexual transmission. Straight, bi, lesbian ….we are all at risk.

    As a second waver, I am tired of fighting for and educating young women who dont even know they have a problem.

  32. silverside Says:

    One other impression. I have wondered if other women’s festivals have served as the same lightening rod for trans activists, and it appears that they haven’t. And at least I haven’t seen any readily available evidence on the Internet. Maybe because these other festivals have mostly caved in to varying degrees–either they admit everybody (i.e. even self-identified men) or they admit “trans women” based on whatever. At any rate, the trans activists appear to have been (temporarily) placated–just as abusive men may lay off the “good” new girlfriend (temporarily) because they are still fixated on stalking/harassing/beating up the “bad” ex-girlfriend or wife. Similarly I think the abuser trans women brigade (apparently) didn’t show up in many numbers at these other festivals–and those who did (apparently) more or less “behaved”– because the worst of them were mostly fixated on “punishing” Michfest.

    My prediction: watch this change. Now that the last victim is effectively dead or “disappeared”, they will be looking for new victims. This is how abusers operate. The ex-wife is now “out of the picture” and now the sweet, supportive new girlfriend, the one he has not abused up till now, will be finding out that the new boyfriend has a “Hyde” side she hasn’t seen before–at least not directed toward her. In other words, I think we will see increased trans militance on their part, more “in your face” tactics at these other festivals. The fact that men and/or trans people are already officially admitted or welcomed won’t matter one whit since so many–despite the rhetoric–don’t simply want to pass as “one of the girls” but must strike out with narcissistic displays of dominance and sexual boundary pushing. Look for reports of vandalism, inappropriate behavior in bathrooms (cameras, masturbation, “casual” exposure), and disruptions at workshops and events where there has apparently been little to none before.

  33. You know what women’s only space transwomen should infiltrate next? Miss America.

    They need to start competing in women’s beauty pageants. Think about it…it’s right up their alley. They can wear tons of makeup, wigs, dresses, heels, jewelry, etc. Compete on walking, talking, and smiling the best.

    Trump would love it.

    Let’s see how other contestants feel about sharing a dressing room with these fuck dolls incapable of getting pregnant (aka the ideal

    And let’s see if America really thinks a man can be a woman.

    If they were serious, they would have started there rather than boycotting a music festival. But we know this is all about invading women, not really being women.

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