The Men of Snopes.com clear up the whole Midwife thing…

October 2, 2015

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http://m.snopes.com/transgender-birthing-individuals/

86 Responses to “The Men of Snopes.com clear up the whole Midwife thing…”

  1. Spinster Says:

    Wait… I’m confused…


  2. I just had this long exchange on FB with people saying that using the word “woman” for repro health services is transphobic. complete with the invoking of their trans friends committing suicide if we continue to question this. I can’t believe Snopes is unaware of this attitude.
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    • celtyradfem Says:

      At the bottom of the article the refer to the midwifery association referring to them as ‘terfs’ they know about these attitudes because someone who believes in this bullshit wrote it.

      It is very sinister how they manage to get their hands on everything. I have seen people talking about how ‘the discourse’ manages to end up in unexpected places in the internet. Like people whinging about ‘terfs’ in non-political video game forums. There is a concentrated effort to spread this kind of propaganda around.

      @Ennis Demeter what they are doing is called emotional extortion. They are being manipulative and emotionally abusive. Abusers often like to hold that over the heads of the people they are abusing.


      • Not really ‘unexpected places on the internet’, with IT being one of the most common occupations of M2Ts. Two plus two equals… of course they are everywhere on the internet, sometimes by stealth churning out their propaganda.

        You can tell it is a trans, most likely M2T, that wrote up the Snopes thing, because of the inclusion of ‘TERF’. It’s a compulsion with them, they can’t write anything without dropping that in there.

        The thing of it is, the usage of TERF now directly translates to ‘gender infidel’, because most of the people being called TERFs these days haven’t even heard of radical feminism.

        Further, we live in the days of a Gender Jihad (hence the ‘gender infidel’ thing). It is not any coincidence that DIAF etc has been used against us extensively.

        Sorry dudes, I will remain an unbeliever in your stupid gender bullshit, mainly because you show yourselves to be quite dudely with shit like this.

      • celtyradfem Says:

        Hi Davina I am a fan of yours I link your work on my blog especially about male violence.

        I remember there a lot of transmales in IT (notoriously hard to get into if you are a woman). Which is why they manage to get their bullshit everywhere. I wonder why others tolerate them using their platforms as their outlets to spout their nonsense. I get weirded out their ideology manages to turn up in non-political places.

        I’ve noticed they keep bringing up ‘terfs’ and other things no matter how irrelevant they are. I’ve even seen them call men ‘terf’s. They really are using the word to mean anything and anyone.

        Speak of threats have you seen this guy making online threats to radfems because of non-existent violence.

        We even have our own archives for this on tumblr.

        http://violenttransmalewitness.tumblr.com/

        http://violentreceipts.tumblr.com/

        I show what they do to transmales and supporters and they often deny it or more often say we deserve it.

  3. Imelda_66 Says:

    Didn’t I see a post here or somewhere pointing out that MANA’s lawyer who either wrote or consulted on their new guidelines is a trans MtT? In which case – yes, someone in the T community did in fact pressure MANA to exclude references to “woman” and “women” from their guidelines.

    • stchauvinism Says:

      That was on FourthWaveNow in the comments on this article http://4thwavenow.com/2015/09/10/of-uterus-transplants-hysterectomies-and-pregnant-individuals/

      The lawyer for Mana, Indra Lusero (see here: http://mana.org/about-us/divisions-committees) is also the Director of the Transgender Military Initiative (see here: http://www.palmcenter.org/blog/research_needed_transgender_military_service) which is a project to study getting trans in the military that is funded by billionaire conservative transwoman James N. “Jennifer Natalya” Pritzker.

      “The Palm Center, the research institute which coordinated research into the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy for more than 10 years, has received a $1.35 million grant to study transgender service in the U.S. armed forces over the next three years, reports BuzzFeed.

      The Palm Center’s Transgender Military Initiative project director, Indra Lusero, has commissioned 11 studies to be conducted by 16 scholars, that will investigate whether the inclusion of trans troops in the military would undermine readiness of the U.S. armed forces.”

      from here http://www.advocate.com/politics/military/2013/07/30/transgender-military-service-examined-135-million-grant

      The Transgender Military Initiative is funded by Pritzker’s Tawani Foundation, which is also funds the transition of children and pays for kids to get Lupron (Maybe Pritzker is invested in an company that manufacturers “puberty blockers, that would be a smart way to launder stock profits to fund ideological/political beliefs.) see here on GenderTrender https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2013/03/09/dr-rob-garofalo-lurie-children-hospital-of-chicago-transgender-is-really-a-pediatric-condition/

      Pritzker has also funded many conservative candidates who are very anti gay and lesbian (see here: http://www.advocate.com/print-issue/current-issue/2013/11/12/trans-billionaire-reporting-duty)

      “Over the years, Pritzker has primarily supported conservative causes, like the National Rifle Association, and Republican politicians, including Sen. John McCain, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, and Illinois figures like comptroller Judy Baar Topinka, pundit and presidential candidate Alan Keyes, and Rep. Aaron Schock.”

      Thats from the Advocate, think they’d care about a billionaire cross dressing heterosexual who funds anti-gay candidates suddenly identifying as one of the LGBTs, but they dont.

      • GallusMag Says:

        http://www.westword.com/news/indra-luseros-pitch-to-help-colorado-midwives-is-catching-heat-in-the-legislature-5111481

        “She considered coming out [as lesbian] in high school but decided against it. It was the early ’90s, and though her family was accepting of gays and lesbians, she says she still considered it “risky” to admit that she was queer.”

        The 90’s? Really? LOL.

      • kesher Says:

        Having the military pay for transition is a giveaway of the highest order to the trans brigade, and, yes, it absolutely would affect military readiness.

        A super special trans laydee (non-HRT, non-op, of course) joins the military to get some of that transitioning paid for by taxpayers and, as soon as the military allows for it, is laid up for how many months once he’s undergoing HRT and recuperating from “medically necessary” cosmetic surgery whether on his face or genitals or both. How does that not affect military readiness? When you join the military, you’re supposed to be healthy, and, if they find out you aren’t healthy enough to get through basic training, you’re discharged. That happened to my sister, and all she had was shin splints.

        It’ll be interesting to see if the military makes special exemptions for the trans to not have their medical issues sorted out before they even apply. If the military, which is more than happy to kick anyone subpar to the curb, caves on this, then I think it’ll become clear who’s really calling the shots on this issue, and it’s not the angry men in dresses.

  4. LC Says:

    That makes no sense. No one just decides to do something different or use completely different language for no reason- of course the T’s pressured them into it. Common sense would refuse to believe otherwise.

    • Mortadella Says:

      It reminds me of those cliché scenes in thrillers when someone is being held captive in their own home at gunpoint. Cops come to the door, ask if anything is wrong, and the victim, though visibly stressed, says something like, “Uh, no officer. No. Huh-uh. Everything is great **panting** Everything is fine!” **nervous chuckle** “No problems here.”

  5. dsgr554 Says:

    Its really disappointing about snopes.

    Who wrote that cult propaganda?

    Motherhood is not about men, and it doesn’t allow time to put men’s brand-new sexual identity first. It is horrifying we are letting men bully young expecting mothers, and they seem to have no shame in going out of their way to tell these new young mothers that they are not special just to make males not feel left out? These are men openly being emotionally abusive to young pregnant women and terrorizing them when they try to form breastfeeding/young mothers groups.

    Some of these guys wish to break up any reference to women existing in culture. Going along with it to appease them does no good- it gets worse.- I stopped catering to their obsessive woman-hating mental illness. Now there are men that dress like women and find ways to torment and exploit women upclose in their faces.

    There are so few women’s doctors and these men are demanding that the women’s doctors cater to their male biology, and they get pretend pap smears in the same office. It is a creepy type of woman-obsession where the women do not get to consent. You can keep your distance and ask for a separate waiting room. I keep my distance from frustrated suicidal men seeking attention from women and playing dominance games, they are all dangerous.

    • CisWomanPrivilege Says:

      The worst thing is to see countless women on the facebook comments saying stuff like “who says only women can give birth?” and bringing up Ms. Thomas Beatie as the “true example” that men can give birth too…

      It’s truly disappointing that some women seem to not have any problem when the own rights of womanhood are being taken off in front of them.

      • GallusMag Says:

        “It’s truly disappointing that some women seem to not have any problem when the own rights of womanhood are being taken off in front of them.”

        Related, and powerful, in case anyone missed it:
        https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2015/06/12/identity-politics-will-be-intersectional-or-they-will-be-bullshit/#comment-61010

      • dsgr554 Says:

        So far, according to science, no male has ever given birth.- a female i’ding as a male is not a male. This is direct bulling of females by males that are jealous of female biology.

      • I'm No Cissie Says:

        Yeah, all Thomas Beattie proved was that a woman could abuse her body by ingesting testosterone for a period of time and still give birth to a healthy baby.

        Which is amazing, but it wasn’t a case of “the first pregnant man” FFS.

      • dsgr554 Says:

        no, this was a case of women who formally ingested drugs gives birth, hopefully with no side effects. she injected steroids for recreational reasons, to appear more male, to get treated different-she did this for vanity/cosmetic reasons.

        . When she got pregnant,- She was trying to get on TV [dancing with the stars was it?]-and become famous -as well. I hope she values her baby and I hope she stopped T while she was pregnant/breastfeeding.

        And because of this ‘one’ woman, men want to remove ‘woman’ – the population that gives birth -from pregnancy literature? These men really hate women.

      • Zemskull Says:

        Beatie wasn’t the first T-using woman to give birth. A number of female athletes who used T–legally and otherwise–gave birth long before Beatie came on the scene. Florence Griffith-Joyner and Marian Jones are two examples.


  6. What I don’t understand is what possible reason would a tranny need a midwife for anyway???

    I cannot wait for the pushback, it’s coming and it’s gonna come down hard.
    Rush Limbaugh is losing his simply mind over this (I only listen in a know thy enemy kind of way).
    In his nasty devious, passive/aggressive technique, he has been planting little seeds and dropping little bombs daily about tranny issues for months.
    It’s TRANTASTIC!

    • Oceans Says:

      Breitbart has been tweeting about these issues too. The “liberal” and “progressive” communities have been so bamboozled by this PC crap they can’t think critically at all. Conservatives and the right wing media are going to push this into the mainstream. Unfortunately, when that happens they’re going to take full aim at all of the LGB (see? this is what happens when you allow gay marriage, etc., blah blah blah). But at the very least they will raise the issue of someone like this being in your daughter’s or mother’s changing room at the gym, school, community pool: https://daphneshaed.wordpress.com/2015/09/30/city-of-victoria-needs-anti-oppression-training/

      GM, you’ve got to find a way to use the photo in that link. Lol

      • GallusMag Says:

        Oh mah gawd!Mah eyez!

      • MaryMacha Says:

        Is that a trail of napalm in the background?

        Besides the obvious, the other thing that bugs me about this story is that this guy was prevented by the pool staff from using the MEN’S changing room. Now that doesn’t seem right and I bet no one is calling them out on it. Of course that’s not the issue for him but he does mention it. I swear, I could get behind these folks (albeit at a distance) if they were at least fighting the right battles.

      • prozac Says:

        Here’s the person who was rejected from the ladies changing room:

      • Ashland Avenue Says:

        Why did I look why did I look why did I look why

      • Newbie Says:

        Oh wow, that “Daphne” person is a piece of work. Protested a ribbon- cutting of ceremony for a LGBT rainbow crosswalk at a university, yelling at the lesbian speaker that she was “perpetuating violence” against, wait for it, the trans.

      • kesher Says:

        He claims he was prevented from using the men’s, but who knows if that’s actually true.

    • MaryMacha Says:

      I can’t imagine that windbag being on the correct side of any issue. If he is it must be for all the wrong reasons.

    • kesher Says:

      Limbaugh loves the trans though. He knows full well they aren’t women. If he thought they were women, he’d hate them too.

    • Jummy Says:

      You honestly don’t want that. A resistence led by conservatives – as massive a one as you could imagine, with Glen Beck holding rallies and the whole nine yards – would be filed under Stuff Rightwing Bigots Say and forgotten within a news cycle.

      You noticed how completely they’ve lost on every front of the culture war?

      • Oceans Says:

        I don’t know about that. I doubt that Suburban Dad is gonna shrug his shoulders at these guys wanting to be in the changing room at the Y with his 10 year-old little girl or his elderly mom. The rightwing is desperate for an “issue” and with a dozen Republican contenders for president, the time is ripe.

        You’re right that the Conservatives have lost the culture war and deservedly so. But none of their issues had any valid public safety angles. This does. And the “liberal” and “progressive” media is terrified to say anything.

  7. Kitty Barber Says:

    Language matters. The cultishness here is unmistakable–the story is ripped from the pages of “1984,” Anyone who has been keeping track of the Phenomenon of Trans_____, (by reading GenderTrender, for instance, one of the best resources for gender-related news and information written from a feminist perspective) knows that unlike other civil and human rights advocacy work, trans_____ “rights” are gained at the direct expense of another oppressed group, that being women, of course.

    When an adult male gains the ‘freedom’ to expose his genitalia to anyone present in the women’s locker room, and he likes this and it makes him happy, women pay for that. Women pay with our safety, our privacy, and sometimes much more. Our very identity.

    When the very word “Woman” is banned from use in a REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CARE SETTING, you must know you’ve been had, if you didn’t before. Wouldn’t you think? Just exactly how far are liberal-minded sheeple going to go before they end up cheering on an actual emperor, who is walking down the street naked, proclaiming his “womanhood” while he waves his penis in the air for all to see?
    (Hmm. That’s not quite a mixed metaphor, but not a very good one, either. Whatever.)

    When will Peak Trans arrive? It seems as if the minute I think I’ve seen the worst of it, then THIS kind of thing happens. Is happening, has happened. And is going on at a pace as fast as the internet itself. Faster than any comparable campaign, ever. It’s no accident, of course, seeing that so many trans_____ people work in IT.

    I wonder sometimes if this phenomenon (I can’t call it a movement, as I understand them) could crash in the same frenetic way it has grown. It isn’t a grassroots thing, it’s something else entirely, all based on the lie of gender. Not a strong foundation, that.

    • stchauvinism Says:

      it’s a social contagion in part “Behavioral contagion is a type of social influence. It refers to the propensity for certain behavior exhibited by one person to be copied by others who are either in the vicinity of the original actor, or who have been exposed to media coverage describing the behavior of the original actor.”

      I think most people really believe in gender, that there are “right” ways of being a man or a woman and that people are still very homopnobic and the idea of trans is just an outgrowth of that. I mean, why would anyone think that a male who likes “feminine” things or who wants artificial breasts or surgery to appear to be female is somehow actually female and a woman instead of just another sort of man? Why would anyone think that a woman who has taken testosterone and had her breasts cut off is somehow now male and a man instead of just another sort of woman?

  8. Bea Says:

    LOL. Fuck Snopes. They are the mansplainers of the website world.

    • nonny Says:

      I don’t f— with Snopes anymore, ever since they posted about the youngest pregnant girl known. In explaining how she came to be pregnant (the medical and social conditions) they didn’t mention rape once- just called the circumstances “presumably nonconsensual” in parentheses. “PRESUMABLY NONCONSENSUAL.”

      • nonny Says:

        Correction: the age was five, and the language was “presumably involuntarily.” Language which is even more lurid when applied to a child imo (what five year old could “volunteer” for that? Wtf is wrong with men???)

    • Newbie Says:

      That snopes article is horrifying. They call the story “discomfiting” because it posits that
      “a child barely of kindergarten age (presumably involuntarily) underwent an
      experience we associate with physical and psychological maturity,
      [wait, do you mean rape? Rape is associated with physical and psychological maturity? Or maybe you mean pregnancy, because the 34% of American girls who become pregnant before age 20 are bastions of psychological maturity]
      but also because it implies the commission of an act now considered to be nothing less than child molestation. ”

      “An act NOW considered to be nothing less than child molestation.”
      This was 1939, not 1639, and the “act” committed (child rape) was considered as such at the fucking time. The child’s father was jailed but released due to lack of evidence that he was the perpetrator of the ILLEGAL “act.”

      Now, the really disgusting part.

      THE STORY INCLUDES CHILD PORN, A NUDE PHOTO OF THE CHILD, PREGNANT, WITH HER EYES BLOCKED OUT.

      Is this actionable? The photo was, I take it, taken from the medical journal cited in the story.

  9. ex home birther Says:

    MANA is a trade organization for charlatans that prey on pregnant women. There has been enormous pressure on them to change their guidelines to better protect women and their children but they haven’t. They kept mortality data secret for years and then refused to act on it once released. The change in language was just about increasing the number of potential customers, so of course they did it. It might backfire because of the popularity of homebirth with super religious populations. Jill duggar is the type of”midwife” mana represents. None of them could be bothered to get a nursing degree and are barred from practicing in hospitals. I hope their choice to try and delete women from childbirth prevents someone from hiring a non nurse midwife.

    • JoannaDW Says:

      Agreed! Thank you for this comment, and I hope there is that silver lining…that religious women will reconsider their birthing options if their current preference is controlled by trans people. And this absolutely is a business move to attract new customers and placate the ultra cool fun fems that frequently patronize midwife services. Screw them all. Here’s to peak trans for more people.


    • Yes, thank you for this info. MANA is an appropriate name…manna for men. We should girlcott them.

      Come to think of it, I don’t think our side has had a boycott. The Ts boycotted MichFest and the Stonewall Movie…maybe we should refuse to fund a single, high-profile organization that would actually feel it.

      Who can we girlcott…? Who needs us, but sold us out?

      I made the mistake of reading T threads on reddit recently. The Ts are aggressively recruiting our children. What the Ts are doing to GNC children who may grow up as gay is the stuff of Hitler. They are sterilizing children who are likely gay. And the liberals are more than happy to help them!

      T is for Trojan horse. They are wiping us out. A whole generation of gay kids will be mutilated, medicated, sterile and broke. They should be preparing for college and saving for a home. Instead they’re obsessed with cosmetic surgery that does absolutely nothing to change their bio sex.

      • sellmaeth Says:

        “Who can we girlcott…? Who needs us, but sold us out?”

        If “we” refers to women, the problem is not whom to girlcott, but where to buy the things we need.

        If you are talking about lesbians or feminists, though, I do not know who would feel a girlcott.


      • By “we” I mean women who do not think that men are women.

        This includes lesbians, feminists, and feminist lesbians, and any other woman who knows that it’s biologically impossible to change sex.

        Boycotts launched the civil rights movement of the 1960s.

        Personally, I’m boycotting the Indigo Girls. They’ll never notice, but it’s a big deal to me since I’ve been a loyal fan since the 1980s. My friends are very interested in knowing why I no longer listen to the Indigo Girls, and this provides a great opportunity for me to discuss the harm that transgenderism causes women.

        We need to picket something. We need to raise awareness. Because we are being censored, bullied and threatened for simply speaking our minds. Our voices are not being heard.


  10. Excellent, well written and insightful letter, “Open Letter to MANA”. I urge everyone to read it, and scroll down to look at all the names of the women who signed it.

    Open Letter to MANA – Sign-On

    Open Letter to the Midwives Alliance of North America regarding the recent revisions to the organization’s standing Core Competencies document:

    August 20, 2015

    http://womancenteredmidwifery.org/take-action/

    Apparently, Snopes thinks it’s the world’s expert on debunking so-called urban myths, and it has the ability to ferret out truth from fiction.

    I don’t think I would go as far as to say that Snopes is lying, but I would say that what they do and say on this particular subject is a rather creative way of bending the truth. This is the worst one-sided biased “truth seeking” effort that I’ve ever had the misfortune of reading.

    This is the claim:

    “Claim: Transgender people are demanding midwives and doulas drop the words “pregnant women” in favor of “birthing individuals.”

    http://m.snopes.com/transgender-birthing-individuals/

    Isn’t it true that the word “woman” has been erased from the MANA core competencies document and replaced with “pregnant individual” and “birthing parent”. They don’t dispute it. An individual can be either male or female, and parent could mean male or female. The human species is sexually dimorphic and all primates reproduce sexually. Males don’t give birth.

    Not only are transgender people demanding midwives drop the words “pregnant woman”, they have been telling everyone for years that penis = woman, and FTMs (biological females) like Thomas Beatie and Trevor MacDonald who had multiple births are “men”. They will pitch a fit if FTMs like Beatie are “mis-gendered”, and woe to the person who says a male who fathered half a dozen children isn’t really a woman.

    Notice the strange round graphic that says “Mixture” in red and green. What does this mean? What is “Mixture”. Is it a mixture of truth? So, it’s basically true, but they are going add their opinion whether people want it or not.

    FACT CHECK: Are transgender people demanding midwives and doulas drop the words “pregnant women” in favor of “birthing individuals”?

    http://m.snopes.com/transgender-birthing-individuals/#4uxtbDWGaKbuRUlT.99

    The way that they phrase all this cockamamie nonsense is disingenuous to say the least.

    WHAT’S TRUE: In September 2015, the Midwives Alliance of North America (MANA) updated its literature to be more gender neutral where applicable.

    (*I didn’t know that there was such a thing as a “gender neutral” pregnancy until now.)

    WHAT’S FALSE: Transgender people are forcing or demanding midwives or other obstetrics-based care providers remove the words “pregnant” or “woman” because they “promote trans hatred”; MANA’s revisions were based upon the “offense” of individuals in the transgender community.

    http://m.snopes.com/transgender-birthing-individuals/#4uxtbDWGaKbuRUlT.99

    To fully understand where they are coming from, scroll down and read where they bring up the emotionally charged derogatory term “TERF”, and all but imply that it’s the fault of the dreaded “TERFs”. Notice the biased way that everything is phrased. They just had to toss in, “(characterized by some as trans-exclusionary radical feminism, or TERF”). They fail to mention that many people consider “TERF” a derogatory slur, intentionally used to silence women. Women who don’t even identify as feminist have been called “TERF”. They don’t mention this fact. They also fail to do a quick google search to find numerous examples in which “TERF” has been used in phrases like, “kill terfs, slit their throats, horrendously murder terfs in saw like torture machines”. Scroll down and click on the links. This is nothing new, and has been going on for years.

    Snopes biased, one sided truth seeking, urban myth busting bull crap expose is here for all to see, and they can’t hide it.

    “In short, it’s true that MANA (and CAM) publicly affirmed the inclusion of all women (transgender and cisgender) in their scope of care. In response, some midwives registered an objection (characterized by some as trans-exclusionary radical feminism, or TERF) objecting to the changes. But no information supports the claim that transgender or LGBT advocates ordered or pressured MAMA into making the changes, and by MANA’s description the decisions were based on their own standards of care, inclusion, and position on gender identity.”

    http://m.snopes.com/transgender-birthing-individuals/#4uxtbDWGaKbuRUlT.99

    These are some of my questions too Snopes:

    (1.) How does Snopes define “ordered or pressured”. Incessant pressure from transgender organizations and individuals did, indeed, influence MANA. We all know it’s been going on for years. Is constant hounding, belittling, and berating people guilty of “mis-gendering” (using the wrong pronoun) pressure? It sure seems like pressure to me. How long has this been going on? What about “TERF” death threats? Is this pressure? Does using significant political pressure and money to influence a decision fall under pressure? As stchauvinism in an earlier posts points out. transgender organizations have amassed a great deal of political clout, and cross dressing and trans identified men like Pritzker, Jenner, and Martine Rothblatt are wealthy. Being as wealthy as cross dressing Pritzker and Martine Rothblatt (the highest paid “woman” CEO who was born with a penis) can buy a lot of influence.

    http://nymag.com/news/features/martine-rothblatt-transgender-ceo/

    (2.) Why does Snopes think all these women who signed the “Open Letter to the Midwives Alliance of North America regarding the recent revisions to the organization’s standing Core Competencies document” are “TERF”?

    Did Snopes personally ask each person if she or he is a “TERF”?

    MaryLou Singleton LM, FNP, Albuquerque, NM

    Michelle San Buenaventura Peixinho LM, CPM, IMH-E Española, NM

    Katsi Cook, Traditional Midwife, Mohawk Nation

    Barb Pepper, LM Albuquerque, NM

    Makeda Kamara, DEM, CNM, MPH, M.ED, APRN Christiansted, St Croix

    Ina May Gaskin, MA, CPM, PhD (Hon.) Summertown, TN

    Laura Marina Perez, LM, CPM San Francisco, CA

    Sora Colvin, CPM Davao, Philippines

    Erin Sweeney, LM, CPM ID

    Elsie Kemmons, CPM (retired) Eugene, OR

    Mary Sommers, CPM, IBCLC, MPS Chicago, IL

    Vicki Johnson, LM, CPM Loves Park, IL

    Andrea Bukiewicz, CPM, LM Grayslake, IL

    Sarah Kellog, CPM Windsor, Maine

    Dusty Marie RN, BSN, CPM (retired) Albuquerque, NM

    Louse Self LM, CPM Albuquerque, NM

    Miriam Khalsa LM, CPM Comptche, CA

    Hilary Schlinger, CNM, MS Albuquerque, NM

    Tai Carson, BA, DEM (retired)

    Karen Quigley-Trejo LM,IBCLC Albuquerque, NM

    JayVon Muhammad, LM, CPM Marin City, CA

    Corrinna Edwards, DEM, PT, CBS

    Asasiya Muhammad, CPM Philadelphia, PA

    Tianne (Cole) Varicak, CPM Mancelona, MI

    Basia Klincewicz DEM (CPM 1996-2002), IBCLC

    Irene Ann Garden, CNM Albuquerque, NM

    Judy Luce, LM, CPM Berkeley, CA

    Stacy Vandenput, CPM, LM Green Bay, WI

    Patrice Bobier, CPM

    Rivka Cymbalist, CPM Montreal

    Joanne Gottschall, CPM, LM RNC Charleston, SC

    Jenee Ohrvall, CPM, LM

    Lisa Byrd LM, CPM, CLC

    Erin Reynoso, LM, CPM Bryan, Texas

    Beatrice Arzt, CPM, Hebron, CT

    Beatrice Arzt, CPM, Hebron, CT

    Alexandra Wagner, LM, CPM, South Carolina

    Lisa Riell, LM CPM

    Barbara Parker, CPM St. Joe, IN

    Elizabeth Gaby, ND, NHCM Concord, NH

    Carol Downer JD, Life-long women’s health activist Los Angeles, CA

    Susan Hodges, MS, South Strafford, VT

    Cindy Sheehan, Mother, Activist, Author. Vacaville, CA

    Miep Rowan O’Brien, Carlsbad, NM

    Lierre Kieth, Crecsent CIty, CA

    Nicole Bessent

    Jennifer Hall

    Susan Smyth, RN, Vancouver, BC

    Mindy Brandt

    Katie Stone, Albuquerque, NM

    Liz Waterhouse, Australia

    Raeleen Redzuan

    Drena McCormack, Powell River, BC

    Karen Mazur

    Susan Hyatt, Moab, UT

    Sylvia Black, Atlanta, GA

    Charmae Bartlett, Terners Falls, MA

    Suraj Kumar

    Janice Dunlop

    Kathy Scarbrough, PhD, mother, feminist, and reproductive biologist

    Jennie Balise

    Laura Mikles

    Ellen Grogan, RN

    Elizabeth Pickett, LLM Ontario, Canada

    Meike Matarrazo, Oakland, CA

    Amy Pancake, Austin, TX

    Ness Fraser, Full-Spectrum Doula

    Cindy Morrow, student midwife, Woodstock, GA

    Lisa Trost, Ontario, BC

    Natalie Arsenault, Moncton, NB

    Laurie Fuchs, Cedar Grove, NC

    RadFem Collective, UK

    Maria Bartlett, MSW, LSW, Neptune, NJ

    Sabine Ehrenfeld, Northridge, CA

    Laura Rifkin PhD, Emeryville, CA

    Suzan Atwood AB, MS Atlanta,GA

    Melissa Howard PEng, RHN, RYT Fredricton, NB

    Kristen Dolgos MT, ASCP Iowa City, IA

    Melody L. Griego, Woman Santa Fe, NM

    Tara Rado Oakland, CA

    Simone Snyder, NJ

    Kate Ater, DOM Albuquerque, NM

    Anita Stewart Ridge Manor, FL

    Ali Psiuk, MA, MFTI Berkeley, CA

    Elizabeth McNamara Colombia, SC

    Cathy Brennan JD Baltimore, MD

    Danielle Bojckuk

    Nora Calhoun, RN Chicago, IL

    Deborah Burns

    Rachel Fabbi, DC Geneva, IL

    Charmine Mallipudi, LMT, NTS Anchorage, Alaska

    Max Dashu

    Cindy Kane, Mother Aurora, CO

    Pat Gargaetas, Woman Crescent City, CA

    Maggie Middleton, Homebirth Mother and Aspiring Midwife Kansas City, MO

    Peggy Luhrs, Former Executive Director Burlington Women’s Council, Burlington, VA

    Carolyn Hammack, Homebirth Mother, Albuquerque, NM

    Amy Lesario, Homebirth Mother, Albuquerque, NM

    Magdalena Zawojska-Smith, Dallas, TX

    Stina Selander, Homebirth Mother, Albuquerque, NM

    Melissa Coffey, Homebirth Mother of 10, Hephzibah, GA

    Nancy Crase, Seattle, WA

    Marc Angelo Cummings, (FtM) Transitions Radio, Silver City, NM

    Lynna Arielle Cummings, (MtF) Transitions Radio, Silver City, NM

    Giovanna Capone, Librarian Oakland, CA

    Suzanne Cheryl Gardner, Artist of the Sacred Feminine, Kingston, WA

    Mary Scully, Feminist Activist McAllen, TX

    Cynthis Wease-Cebuhar, Homebirth Mother of 10 Chandler, AZ

    Nicki Harris Los Angeles, CA

    Linda Conroy, Woman Sheboygan, WI

    Claudia Susana Vico Buenos Aires, Argentina

    Ruth Barrett Los Angeles, CA

    Falcon River Los Angeles, CA

    Karen Cayer Los Angels, CA

    Helen Harwood Oxfordshire, UK

    Fran Luck, Executive Producer, Joy of Resistance Feminist Radio NYC

    Ellen Mateer, Breastfeeding Counselor, W. Yorkshire, UK

    Lorene Custer, Mother, Activist Cotchogue, NY

    Molly Johnson, Mother, Grandmother, Great Grandmother, Woman San Miguel, CA

    Thistle Pettersen Madison, WI

    Lisa McLeod Sahuarita, AZ

    Rosita Libre de Marulanda, Brooklyn, NY

    Kaitlyn Lindsay Johnson, Black Mountain, NC

    Terre Spencer, Atlanta, GA

    Joanna Jiriden

    Ruthanna Barrett

    Peg McCuaig, Canada

    Mindy Gerken

    Elizabeth Levin

    Monika Beatty, Manitoba, Canada

    Kerry Noonan, PhD Burlington, VT

    Lucy Johns, MPH San Francisco, CA

    Deborah A. Gerson Ph.D, RN (retired), Doula

    Katherine Denison, Rochester, NY

    Julia Long, London, UK

    Sareyeh Hadian, London, UK

    Simone Watson, Australia

    Lynn Schirmer Seattle, WA

    Bronwyn Williams Hobart, Australia

    Elizabeth, Concerned woman

    Amanda Fischer Doula Miami Florida

    Evetta Fitz, Mother, student birth worker

    Diane Mullican, woman, mother, grandmother, RN

    Asian Women Coalition Ending Prostitution

    Victoria Vanasco, mother

    Diana Boston

    Margaret Smith, IBCLC Vashon Island, WA

    Sebrina Parker, Birth Doula, Edinburg, TX

    Virginia C. McClary, Certified Labor Doula Chattanooga, TN

    Carol Hanisch

    Cheryl Biren, Feminist, Mother, Pennsauken, NJ

    Alicen Grey NYC

    Victoria Norvell Kennesaw,GA

    Marina Strinkovsky Swindon, United Kingdom

    Kitty Garn, Columbus, Ohio

    Cheryl Bergen BSW, RSW Prince Albert, SK

    Margaret McCarroll Londo, Ontario

    Bo Novak, Bath, England

    Mickey Z. Astoria, NY

    Jessica Silverman, Mother Ontario

    Elizabeth McKeown, natural childbirth advocate and author

    Shoshana Handel Albuquerque, NM

    Trina Weaver

    Elizabeth Cholet Paris, France

    Noel Muscutt, Pastor, Newcastle, Ontario

    Regina Muscutt, Teacher & Homemaker, Newcastle, Ontario

    Ruth Muscutt, Mother Wyoming, Ontario

    Julia Gatina, Burnaby, BC, Canada

    Marlo Muscutt, Birth and Postpartum Doula Vancouver, BC

    Karla-Ann Reycraft, Homemaker and Bookkeeper Sarnia, Ontario

    Hilary Killam, B.Sc. Toronto, Ontario

    Molly A Patterson CD (DONA)

    S. Perry Davis, CA

    Trish Oliver, WoLF, Toronto, ON

    Carmen Malcolm, CBE, CBD, CPD, CBC Michigan

    Xan Sam Joi

    Kirsten Weems Tracy, CA

    S. Grace Skrobisz, Birth Doula, Reiki Practitioner Pensacola, FL

    Jennifer Green Colorado Springs, CO.

    (3.) Since Snopes brought up “TERFs”, what does it think of numerous “TERF” death threats?

    http://terfisaslur.com/

    https://radfemsrespond.wordpress.com/recent-anti-feminist-hate-speech/

  11. Charlotte Says:

    If I have to be a “person who births” or a “uterus bearer” then I’m calling these jerks “people with prostates” or “dick owners”.

    Use their bullshit rhetoric right back at them.

  12. Mel Says:

    Wow, it’s quite amazing how you people are blaming this on trans women when it has absolutely nothing to do with them (as they can’t give birth).

    Place the “blame” for this horrible affront where it belongs, on us trans men. Yes, I know you think seeing the term “birthing individuals” somehow scars and traumatizes you worse than being misgendered hurts us, yet somehow I’ve never heard of a cis woman committing suicide because she was referred to as part of a gender-neutral group.

    We have just as much right to access midwifery care and be treated respectfully by midwives as you do. Sorry.

    • GallusMag Says:

      If women like yourself are going to commit suicide when your biological sex is observed by others you have much bigger issues than “transgender”. But thank you for showing the suicide threats used by those of you demanding silence from other women about our physical reality. Can’t make this shit up.


      • Killing the authentic self is a form of suicide. Mutilating one’s reproductive organs is an act of self-destruction.

      • gchild Says:

        “If women like yourself are going to commit suicide…”

        The suicide threats are genuinely bothersome to me. But also enraging because a startlingly large numbers of VERY SPECIFIC psychological behaviors that contribute to suicide exist as “normal” in trans ideology.

        For example, Cognitive Distortion- exaggerated, irrational thoughts that perpetuate (or can cause) psychological disorders. I’m sure everyone who reads this blog will recognize the following in trans dogma.

        Magical thinking
        Splitting (all or nothing beliefs)
        Magnification/minimization
        Emotional reasoning
        Labeling /Mislabeling
        Personalization
        Narcissistic Rage

        These people are being set up and encouraged to acquire the same kind of distorted thinking patterns that are MAJOR contributing factors in many suicides!!

        Until doctors actually help people who are “trans”, nothing “cis” people say or do will be enough. Nothing. Not ever.

      • stopthemadness Says:

        Precisely. Anybody prepared to commit suicide because a stranger online told them something they don’t want to hear is already highly unstable.

        Especially since we aren’t even harsh about it. Comments about trans-anything on male dominated sites are brutal. I’m always baffled at hysterical trans activists accusing radfems of hate speech and “violence” during arguments, when most radfems are pretty cordial and (too) accommodating. On male sites, they don’t even try play nice.

        Somewhat ot but has anyone seen this festering pile of shit blog by a FtT lashing out at trans allies – wow shocker – who don’t date trans people. So many gross comments trying to shame and coerce women, yet towards the end a straight guy commented and quite bluntly stated that he’s not interested in MtTs with no backlash. The comments appear to be moderated so how many women do you think commented declaring their right to sexual autonomy had their comments rejected?

        http://jensgender.com/2015/09/28/i-respect-trans-people-but-i-would-never-date-one/


      • Poor delusional woman. I’m pretty much convinced that a very large percentage of these trans folks have never had sex—with ANYBODY. Why on earth would a woman who is into dudes have sex with a woman who is only a man in her head when there’s so many real guys out there? Call me a penis fetishist if you want, I really don’t care, but I like to have sex with men. Women don’t look like, smell like or taste like men and no a plastic penis in no way substitutes for the real thing. The fact that she doesn’t know that tells me that despite her claim to be good in bed, girlfriend knows fuck all about actual sex and sexuality. There are pheromones involved. Long before you get down to the genitalia there’s a base attraction that involves scent and hormones. I’ve rejected many guys over the years simply because I didn’t like their smell. They weren’t smelly they just didn’t appeal to me on that base level. I think women in particular are very attuned to smell and even if we don’t recognize that someone is not the sex they’re presenting to be we know something is “off.” Passing is so much more than packers and facial hair.

        I’m not sure what it is, but they don’t seem to understand human attraction or socialization at all.

    • liberalsareinsane Says:

      Hon, there is no such thing as “trans”. Sorry. You’re a hairy chick who walks around calling herself “mel”. See a mental health professional.

      • morag99 Says:

        But she likely did see a mental health professional! That’s the problem. Most of them now legitimize the “wrong body” narrative and validate the notion that naming someone’s actual sex can cause suicidal feelings and suicide attempt.

        These “professionals” are putting women’s lives in grave danger. They have always done that, throughout history. There are very few places the most vulnerable, most confused girls and women can turn to for ethical, good-faith, non-misogynist psychiatric care.

    • dsgr554 Says:

      Not according to the born men protesting the use of ‘women’. What is more amazing is that you don’t see you are tricked into supporting a Male rights activist campaign. You are tricked into supporting the men as their subordinates in a male /female binary that puts males that trans at the top, and females that trans at the bottom as the hand-maiden helpers,

      I been there, done that. but you should open your eyes and notice- women that trans rarely receive any of the benefits from transgender orgs., Your labor and efforts serve born males and you put them first thinking you will get some trickle down of equality if you go this route and call yourself a dude, but if you have not already noticed, the men impersonating women are canceling programs for women[like you may need at some point in your life] that refuse to cater to men and they don’t care about you- past how they can use you..

      Men going fem is what is ‘in’- you will be treated like you are mentally ill, no matter how you explain queer. because they do not treat men & women that trans the same. They are treating the men with kid gloves, even after these men commit violent crimes/get caught with child porn, but the women get the worst punishments for stepping out of the line the born men set up/making the wrong joke/etc.., and the least help from trans orgs..Call your self a unicorn if you like- but the men that trans will always see you as a ‘women’ to use. You are still in the subordinate position for men to use and they can get what they want from you by tossing out a cookie or two to validate you by making a ‘bro’ joke.

    • Siobhan Says:

      I was involved in a discussion in a group of women a few months ago regarding Elinor Burkett’s NYT article “What Makes a Woman?” The young libfems in the group were flabbergasted when gender critical women like me pointed out that trans idealogy primarily serves men and is a form of MRA. Their refrain was “You are wrong, because trans men (sic) exist.”

      Trans “men” (females who have become convinced that they are “really” men) and trans children are the cannon fodder in the gender wars. They are used by the men who control the trans movement as a smokescreen to hid the real goals of the men’s rights activists who form the bulk of the transgender movement. These activists don’t care if these females and children lose their health, their fertility, their minds, and even their lives. As long as these martyrs open up more opportunities for the males to destroy women’s culture and break down barriers to their sexual exploitation of women and children, they do not care.

    • Magdalena Z. Says:

      People who are that close to committing suicide if others don’t play along with their delusion are mentally fractured, disordered or just mentally fragile. I won’t say mentally ill because i’m not a doctor, but if a person claimed they were Napoleon Bonaparte or Marie Antoinnette and were at risk for suiciding if people around them didn’t call them your Highness I can’t really see the difference. No, women who are quite sane will not kill themselves if called biologically neutral labels for something clearly female like childbirth but it’s still erasing and harmful and wrong.

    • gchild Says:

      “Birthing individual” is NOT gender neutral. Only FEMALES give birth. Do you think anyone will view ANY “birthing individual” as a actual man?

      A leading cause of death of pregnant women is homicide. Perpetrated by males who see them as objects, incubators, or “birthing individuals/givers”. Not as equally human female beings.

      But you don’t care about that because being a trans man means you dont have to right?

      Of course you think the suicidal threats and ideations of people who despise their biological sex (which no one can do a fucking thing about since its inside your own damn head) are more important the lives of lowly, mundane “cis” birthing individuals.

      Its all about YOU YOU YOU!

    • MaryMacha Says:

      Look Melissa, you are glossing over some important details here. Has any midwife or midwifery organization actually denied care to a pregnant so-called male? Did someone in need of midwifery services actually get turned away in their moment of need? I don’t think this has happened.

      The problem is that by changing the language you erase women. The people who get pregnant are women, they are not men, though some are wannabe men. The half of the species that does the reproducing is known as the female half. This is well established and biological. It is not a matter of opinion. You can deny this all you want and frankly no one cares how you personally choose to live your life or want to call yourself. But no one is obligated to participate in your fantasy either.

      Just because you’ve decided to bat for the other team doesn’t mean you have to destroy women’s organizations. I swear sometimes, you folks behave like you are trying to prove yourselves to the boys’ club. So please understand that even if you get some bones tossed your way, the men are never going to accept you as male either. But if they can get anything out of it, they will placate you until it’s time to toss you under the bus.

      Hurts, I know. But it’s the truth.

    • morag99 Says:

      “I’ve never heard of a cis woman committing suicide because she was referred to as part of a gender-neutral group.”

      You should really think a little bit harder about what you’re saying here, Mel.

      Look closely at mainstream media. When women are harmed, BECAUSE we are women, suddenly we fall under the terms “person/people” and “humanity.” But when women can be put in negative light, ridiculed, and shown to be non-persons, we are clearly named as “women.”

      Women and girls are constantly being subsumed into gender-neutral groups. To camouflage sexism and misogyny and to erase our sex-specific situations and needs as women.

      I don’t have any problem assigning some blame for this to you. Because you, personally, are contributing in small part to this ongoing female erasure, Mel. First, by refusing to tell the truth that you are a woman, and, second, by insisting we follow suit (that we submit) for your own personal comfort.

      How about you stop that, eh?

      • gchild Says:

        “Mel. First, by refusing to tell the truth that you are a woman…”

        Morag99,
        It takes big brass balls to be a woman, Especially GNC, lesbian, minority, poor, White… well, any kind of woman. I accept that it is hard.

        But do transmen really see women as “other”?

    • Janetwo Says:

      Mel? Is that the latin word for useful idiot?

    • Biscuit Says:

      If you need midwifery care (i.e. are pregnant), everyone knows that you are a woman.

      Why is being recognized as a women so horrible that you would commit suicide if that happens?

    • Magdalena Z. Says:

      And how is it that you’re near suicidal death if someone points out that you’re a female yet you are incubating a human being inside your very female uterus at the same time and that isn’t making you dysphoric? I swear trans people have got to have some kind of cognitive splitting or something, I just don’t know.

    • charlson Says:

      Mel, it does not scar or traumatise me to be called a birthing individual. It minimises me and what I have done. It makes me feel less than you. I don’t know why anyone needs to make up new terminology for what is a natural function of a female. Why push me sideways so you can shine.
      Why be so short sighted and self absorbed. You admit you are different, the new order of things, the new normal so why do you speak of suicide of someone who was referred to as gender neutral as if it were my fault? If that person was my child my first thought would be mental frailty .
      I don’t get why a man wants to perform a female process either.They aren’t usually programed to carry babies, they are programed to fertilise. You are male as you say, so be a male.

      My ex wanted to carry a baby even though it was not possible and admitted he wanted to have it all,have lived both genders. A man usually has no desire to have midwifery care, why would they, why do you want access to it? Gynecological care of course, but midwifery?
      The whole thing is bent out of shape and confuses me .

  13. Jummy Says:

    This, my friends, is what it’s like to be the Left’s enemy.

    Did you notice how they lumped you in there with InfoWars?

    • Jummy Says:

      Just you wait. The center-left is content for now to portray all criticism of transgender ideology as biblically-informed rightwing reaction. When they do finally get around to acknowledging the leftwing critics…the SPLC probably already has a ‘TERFist’ category prepared for it.

      • kesher Says:

        Trans activists have tried to get the SPLC to label Gender Identity Watch as a hate group. So far they’ve refused, but I question how long they’ll be able to hold the line on that.

        At this point, seeing the SPLC extend that label to a group is about as meaningless as someone being nominated for a Nobel peace prize. Since there are no standards for nominations, many nominations are unbelievably laughable (even worse than the actual selection). George W. Bush was nominated for starting the Iraq war.


    • We have a lot in common with the Right, just for very different reasons. We didn’t used to be as partisan and extreme as we are today. But both sides (at least openly) oppose porn, prostitution, and pedophilia.

      Unfortunately, the liberals are now pro porn and prostitution. This does not push me to the Right, but I cannot possibly identify as Liberal anymore.

      Ask any M2T if the age of sexual consent should be lowered, and he will say yes. If they pursue changing those laws as aggressively as they have for T, then we will finally see outrage from the Left. But not until then, because women do not matter to the Left. We saw that in the misogynist attacks against HRC the first time she ran for president.

      Call me naive, but I don’t think grandmothers are into porn and prostitution. But men at that age who “think” they are women, most certainly are into porn and prostitution.

      Men and women really are different. We are not interchangeable.

      • stchauvinism Says:

        “we have a lot in common with the right”. Speak for yourself.


      • Speaking for myself, I grew up in a matriarchal household. My mom, an activist feminist, created and maintained our home environment, and she taught me, through her demonstration, to meet people where they are, and not judge them because they are different from me. She supported gay rights when it was considered a mental illness. She marched for the rights of migrant farmworkers. Of course, she marched for the passage of ERA — that was routine. She also protested trains that carried nuclear warheads across the country. I was by her side during all this, or as she would have said, “attached to her hip.” I’ve mentioned several times here that she is the founder of my city’s only state certified domestic violence shelter.

        She did all this because she loved people.

        Our home environment was not about separating ourselves from our neighbors. Rejecting people because they have different beliefs is what is done in a patriarchal society. But my mom was the head of our household, and we did things her way. She didn’t want more fighting. She wanted to do things differently. She wanted change.

        Dr. Maya Angelou said, “we are more alike, than unalike.” Personally, I have no enemies.

        Speaking for myself, I have a lot in common with people on the right: I’m human. I’m American. I want what is best for children. I don’t support the legalization of prostitution. I don’t support pornography.

        I don’t support pedophilia.

        My point is that we can find common ground with our ideological “opponents.” They love their children, too. And they don’t want men in women’s showers. They don’t want to lower the age of sexual consent.

        The Ts are lumping gender-critics with “The Right” as if that is the worst slur on earth — to be in agreement with republicans. Even if some republicans support gay marriage, or climate change, or not going to war. We can’t possibly be in agreement with them, or we’re just as bad as they are.

        Obviously, the T strategy is “divide & conquer.” They want gay men to hate gay women. They want blacks to hate feminists for being “white.” They want feminists to split into liberal & radical, and fight each other. They want anyone who questions transgenderism to be slurred as a right-wing republican.

        The worst thing we could do, in the eyes of the T community, is unify with the right. Even if it accomplishes what we want: to keep men out of women’s spaces.

        That is *their* strategy. Let’s throw them off *their* game, and not play by *their* rules. The matriarchy is not like the patriarchy. Let’s prove it.

        Lastly, I am a grown-up gender nonconforming child. Mom gave me the “Free to be You & Me” book when I was small, as well as newspaper clippings of women in men’s clothes, such as Marlena Dietrich in a tuxedo, or Sandy Duncan playing “Peter Pan”. I learned Sojourner Truth’s “Ain’t I a Woman?” when I was young — nothing can make me not be female, regardless of my clothing choices. I am free to dress however I wish — I will always be female. And I love being a woman. Even as an adult, I am gender nonconforming. I am not and never have been and never will be “trans.” I will never seek to kill the female within my, and I love sisterhood.

      • cerulean blue Says:

        Edruminations, thank you for sharing the story of your mom–how lucky you are to have had such a role model.

        I completely agree with you about liberals versus conservatives, and the way each paints each other as the absolute worst. It is all about dividing us, and about finding the one or two hot button issues that will cause us to hold our noses and vote for the party we don’t much like because the alternative is unthinkable.

        Like you, I’d rather form a temporary coalition with people I wouldn’t agree with otherwise. The alternative is to be forced to walk in lockstep and watch things I do not believe in get forced upon me. Until now, my hot button issue has been abortion. Because of that issue, I’ve held fast to my party, as free trade destroyed the economy, as a bipartisan effort to destroy schools was shoved down our throats, etc, But the party i was raised in (also by my mom!) and have always voted for is all about men in dresses now, and taking away the rights of women to support the illusions of those men. And it’s about prostitution, and porn, and hell, probably even pedophilia. And frighteningly, there is absolutely no room for debate. Those planks are nailed firmly in the platform, and it’s not a big political tent. Rather, we are all expected to think the same thing.

        I can say from experience that the group think in places like Portland is much worse than what I encountered in comservative states. I was actually able to have political discussions with all but the most die hard conservstives. But here in Portland? No way. I’ve been shamed, publicly and privately for speaking up. I thought I was a liberal until I’d lived here for a couple of years and witnessed the demonization of anyone who doesn’t toe the liberal line, and repeat the same, empty slogans. But I’m done, and i have a feeling I am not the only one. I predict women will be leaving liberalism in droves, once the supreme court does its worst to abortion rights, and they see plainly the remainder of key liberal beliefs.

  14. Caroline Says:

    There is a petition against one of the women who signed the letter saying that she should not speak at a birth conference because signing the letter means she is “transphobic.”

    Sounds like pressure to me

  15. Meg Says:

    I remember reading snopes way back in 2003 and they have changed many of their pages. I remember distinctly that the “girl falling on a broom” story specifically pointed out that such urban legends were the result of sexism. I went back to the site today to look at the page, and it was updated in 2011, removing the information about how sexism fueled the rumors about teenage girls killing themselves by falling on brooms. I went to archive.org to try to find an earlier version of the page, but archive.org said that the URL was excluded by it’s wayback machine.

    This is how women’s issues are erased. I’m going to take a wild guess that the site was taken over by the transactivsts a long time ago.

  16. KgSch Says:

    Looks like more of the usual denial of biology. And as others have mentioned, anti-abortion groups love this shit. They always try to frame pregnancy and abortion as a men’s issue. And by men’s issue, I mean that the man gets all the say even though he’s not the one who’s putting himself at risk of dying and destroyed health by carrying a pregnancy. Now the liberals are doing it too because of trans pressure. Pregnancy and abortion aren’t women’s issues, anymore, they’re “people who can get pregnant issues”. There’s no way that group switched over to bizarro-world language without pressure from violent men in dresses.

    Again, very much anti-science and anti-reality. If you can get pregnant, have ever been pregnant, or were capable of being pregnant you’re female. And if you are an FtT, aka a wannabe man then it makes no sense to me that you’d want to get pregnant since only females can get pregnant. Screaming “I’m a man” while you’re pregnant is foolish and anyone who plays along is even more foolish. Similarly, if you had or ever had a dick, you’re a dude and just like with the right-wing men, this issue doesn’t affect you.

    And really, I’m an anti-natalist and I don’t reproduce and encourage others not to do it, but at least calling pregnancy a women’s issue is biologically accurate.

  17. charlson Says:

    Life of Brian:
    Stan: I want to have babies.
    Reg: You want to have babies?!?!
    Stan: It’s every man’s right to have babies if he wants them.
    Reg: But … you can’t HAVE babies!
    Stan: Don’t you oppress me!
    Reg: I’m not oppressing you, Stan. You haven’t got a womb! Where’s the foetus gonna gestate? You gonna keep it in a box?

    Judith: Here, I’ve got an idea. Suppose you agree that he
    can’t actually have babies, not having a womb, which is
    nobody’s fault, not even the Romans’, but that he can have the right
    to have babies.

    Rogers: Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for
    your right to have babies, brother. Sister! Sorry.
    Reg: What’s the point?
    Rogers: What?
    Reg: What’s the point of fighting for his right to have
    babies, when he can’t have babies?
    Rogers: It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.

    Reg: Symbolic of his struggle against reality.


  18. Re: “The Men of Snopes.com clear up the whole Midwife thing…”

    “The snopes.com website was founded by Barbara and David Mikkelson, who live and work in the Los Angeles area.”

    http://www.snopes.com/info/aboutus.asp

    I’m pretty sure Barbara is not a guy.


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