Man undresses in front of girls in Seattle locker room, cites “Gender Identity” regulation

February 17, 2016

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A young man undressed twice last week in front of young girls in the women’s locker room at Seattle’s Evan’s Pool facility and police were not called due to confusion over Washington State’s new Gender Identity regulations. The rules allow any male to enter women and girl’s locker rooms, showers, restrooms, saunas, etc. by invoking his belief in “Gender Identity”, a psychological form of reproductive sex unrelated to actual biological sex. Males who enter such facilities without proclaiming a personal belief in psychological sex are subject to arrest under sex crime statutes.

The man in question twice reportedly entered the female changing facility and observed the women and girls in various stages of undress, and removed his own clothes in front of them.

From KIRO Seattle:

“Seattle Parks and Recreation has confirmed an adult male inappropriately used a female locker room at Evans Pool in Green Lake while a youth swim team used the facilities on Feb. 8

Was the individual a male inappropriately using the facilities or a transgender female well within her rights?

“This didn’t seem like a transgender issue to staff — someone who was ‘identifying’ as a woman,” Seattle Parks and Recreation Communications Manager David Takami told me via email. “We have guidelines that allow transgender individuals to use restrooms and locker rooms consistent with their gender identity.”

At around 5:30 p.m. on Feb. 8, an adult went into the locker room to change. Takami says that at “no time did he verbally ‘identify’ as female,” nor did he request to be treated as transgender.

At the time, a local youth swim team was using the facilities. Young girls and some of their parents “became alarmed” that the male was changing in the female locker room and alerted the front desk staff. Staff members then “asked the man to leave and offered the availability of a family changing room.”

He did not accept the offer.

After his swim, he “again entered the women’s locker room to change.” Front desk staff once again asked him to leave “and he eventually did.”

Perhaps complicating matters, a witness who contacted KIRO Radio indicated this male was wearing men’s clothing as he entered the locker room.

Takami maintains that the parks department wants everyone to feel comfortable. But if this individual was, in fact, transgender, was this situation handled correctly? And is it appropriate to call the individual a male?

If this isn’t a “transgender issue” why didn’t staffers call the police? Critics of the failed transgender bathroom bill indicate there are already rules to punish people who break the law.

According to the law: “If another person expresses concern or discomfort about a person who uses a facility that is consistent with the person’s gender expression or gender identity, the person expressing discomfort should be directed to a separate or gender-neutral facility, if available.”

But Takami says everyone involved (the patrons complaining and the male individual) were offered a separate accommodation.

The law further states: “Any action taken against a person who is using a restroom or other gender-segregated facility, such as removing a person, should be taken due to that person’s actions or behavior while in the facility, and must be unrelated to gender expression or gender identity.”

There is no indication that this individual did anything inappropriate, if the person identifies as transgender. But Seattle Parks and Recreation did not believe he was transgender. So why didn’t they call the police?

“That was an option, but staff try to deal with issues immediately, and try not to call police as the first option,” Takami said.

This incident raises questions that go to the heart of the issue and controversy over gender-neutral bathroom protections. We’re told that the concern that a male using a female locker room is overblown and rarely happens. If you were to look into this incident, because police weren’t called, there’s no paper trail that the average person could discover indicating this issue happened. The only reason we’re aware of the incident is due to a KIRO Radio listener who spoke up. So it’s problematic for activists to claim these incidents don’t happen if police aren’t always being called.

Yet another concern is whether or not this was done by an activist to make a political point.

“In following guidelines laid out by the Washington Human Right Commission, the person did not exhibit a gender presentation or gender identity consistent with gender of the locker room as was asked to leave that locker room,” said Gunner Scott, transgender advocate and former LGBT Commission for the City of Seattle. “A concern I have is if this was a setup by opponents of LGBT equality to try to exploit the recent debate of basic rights of transgender youth, adults and families, as that tactic has been used by these opponents in different states.”

It’s a valid concern and one I fear will happen just to make a point. But that’s another reason parks and recreation failed by not calling the police to report the lawbreaker.

Here is Takami’s full statement to the Jason Rantz Show:

On Monday, Feb. 8, around 5:30 p.m., an individual, a young adult, came into the pool lobby, paid the fee for lap swim, and went into the woman’s locker room to change. At no time did he verbally “identify” as female. Staff didn’t see which locker room he entered as it was a busy time of day with a lot of swimmers coming and going. Previous to lap swim time at the pool was a local youth swim team practice. After lap swim was another children’s swim time.

Seeing this individual in the locker room, parents of swim team members (girls) and women who had paid for lap swim became alarmed and alerted our front desk staff. In response, an Evans pool staff member entered the women’s locker room and asked the man to leave and offered the availability of a family changing room. Other patrons were also offered the alternative of the family changing room. He eventually left the women’s locker room. After the lap swim, he again entered the women’s locker room to change. Front desk staff again asked him to leave and he eventually did.

This didn’t seem like a transgender issue to staff — someone who was “identifying” as a woman. We have guidelines that allow transgender individuals to use restrooms and locker rooms consistent with their gender identity. We want everyone to feel comfortable in our facilities.”

 

Seattle’s King5 News Station provides further details:

“As far as policy to protect everyone, Seattle Parks spokesman David Takami says they’re still working on the issue. Right now, there’s no specific protocol for how someone should demonstrate their gender in order to access a bathroom.  Employees just rely on verbal identification or physical appearance, and this man offered neither.”

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144 Responses to “Man undresses in front of girls in Seattle locker room, cites “Gender Identity” regulation”

  1. Jessica Says:

    But the funfems told me that this type of thing would never be a problem because:

    1) you should expect to get perved on in public

    2) no one ever looks at other peoples bodies or genitals in change rooms

    3) if you don’t want to see dick, go hide in a stall or behind a curtain

    4) lesbians perv too so why are you so obsessed with dick???

    5) women and girls rape just as much as men, so don’t pick on innocent harmless MTT

    6) why are you so obsessed with genitals it is YOU who are the sicko

    7) a few rapes and sexual assault is OK so we can protect oppressed MTT from their oppressors

    I despise libfems.

    They make the same excuses for rapist islamists.

    • Sketcher Says:

      I absolutely bloody agree! And now I’m getting really, really pissed off.

    • KgSch Says:

      Seconding the agreement! I’ve heard all of those lines before too. Frankly I’m getting sick of the lesbian-hatred and misogyny from these “feminists”.

      (I don’t get why they get called funfems though. I’ve seen that term around and these people are not fun to be around.)

      To them, I guess it doesn’t count as rape if a non-mainstream man does it.

      • rebel13 Says:

        They are called “funfems” because Andrea Dworkin said, “I’m a radical feminist, not the fun kind.” They are the fun kind, i.e., the kind men like.

      • KgSch Says:

        @rebel13

        I see. They’re “fun” from the perspective of men. Thanks for the clarification.

    • Janetwo Says:

      Honestly, anybody expected anything good coming out of women thinking showing your boobs would improve anything significant for women, like less harassment, less rape, less poverty? Do see any woman who has accomplished anything of value or exert any sort of power showing her tits? Jane Goodale, Hillary Clinton, Margaret Thatcher, Marie Curie, Rosa Park? Anyone? Self-objectification is the farthest away from empowerment that I can imagine. Funfems are the useful idiots of the patriarchy.

      • Sketcher Says:

        Left-wing men and Hugh Heffner pulled a fast one there – hey girls, it’s actually feminist for you to take control of your body by having botox injections and titty enlargements! Prostitution is economic freedom. Burkha is a choice! (Same as FGM and foot-binding). Do what you want with your own body…

        Heartbreaking, really.

      • Susan Nunes Says:

        Sex and women’s rights have always been the Achille’s heel of the male left. They really don’t care about women at all; it is all about easy sexual access and male privilege for them. This is why they are big on porn and prostitution. That is why they support abortion; it entirely consistent with their view of easy sexual access without consequences. It has nothing to do with women’s rights with them.

        Their knee-jerk support of transgenderism is entirely consistent with their anti-woman stance.

      • KgSch Says:

        If exposing yourself meant empowerment, men like Bill Gates, Trump, Obama, etc. would be in all the centerfolds but they aren’t. Because acting like a stripper is not empowering.

        I’ve also heard the arguments that those things are choices free of consequences and it is disgusting. Or that if you don’t support them, you’re being culturally insensitive or a misogynist. (Kind of like how if you point out that men in dresses are just that, you’re a misogynist.) Shit like this is why I can’t in good conscious identify with liberals or the left-wing despite sharing more common political beliefs with them than with conservatives.

        Of course, women do make choices and in countries like the US we do have the lee-way to say no to female-hating choices like Botox, plastic surgery, and genital surgery. I’m not referring to “SRS” surgeries, but women who get surgery on their vulvas to make them more attractive to men. That said, the surgeries, breast binding and testosterone that FTTs do is on the same continuum.

        By the way, botox is a neurotoxin and while it does have some valid medical applications, getting rid of wrinkles because you feel old isn’t one of them.

        I strongly recommend “Beauty and Misogyny” by Sheila Jeffreys.

      • Sketcher Says:

        @KgSch – thanks for that recommendation. I’ve read ‘When God was a Woman’ too, but not any Mary Daley, who’s been referenced quite a lot. (Sorry don’t know and haven’t read her, but will do). Can anyone recommend any research into spirituality/religion and women? Any history?

  2. Elle Driver Says:

    Ugh. I’ve been fighting the fight on another website over the South Dakota school locker room bill, and the amount of anger and hatred and downright D-E-L-U-S-I-O-N… I want to laugh to keep from screaming.

    One the MTF claimed deep insult at my words yet marveled that I hadn’t even known I was debating with a trans woman the whole time! (Untrue. Boyfriend had a five o’clock shadow to rival Fred Flinstone.) I was told that my days as 0preZZZorrrr! were numbered by a white boy from Ohio.

    I just don’t get it. Why are we so shit on? Why is this fight even happening? I know the outcome. I know what will happen 30, 40 years from now, after the inevitable lawsuits, the medical and psychiatric communities u-turns, an accumulation of lives damaged and lost to this… this mania.

    I remember the satanic panic hysteria of the 80s– children used and manipulated, quacks passing off their ramblings as expertise– and the psychiatric community embracing it wholeheartedly. Did we learn nothing from that fiasco? What the hell is going on?!

    I just want to say, I don’t know how you do it Gallus, but thank you. Thank you for your words and this space and the voices here.

    • GallusMag Says:

      I’ve been amazed and delighted to see quite a few highly informed comments left on various gender related articles lately. Putting the information out there is the only way to educate the general populace. It really makes a difference. Thank you for doing the work. x

      • Jessica Says:

        Wherever I go now, I paste multiple screenshots of MTT stating that the cotton ceiling is genocide.

        I also post photos of Stefonknee and that Coyote Varmint “woman” and ask if such beautiful women should be in girls locker rooms.

        And my fave quote , which I use sarcastically, is of zinnia Jones stating that 100% of convicted rapist are entitled to women’s bathrooms if MTT.

        Trans allies will of course dismiss the above as “no true transwoman” , but I still like to have the info out there. Trans psychos in their own words , for people to see.


      • Where can I get those screenshots about the cotton ceiling being “genocide” ?

      • Jessica Says:

        @purplesagefem

        This is the post that I have saved to a .txt file and that I paste all over Disqus on various SJW blogs:


        A person’s gender determine their sex
        So, if you have no gender, then you have no bio sex




        Look, it’s not like I require the women I date to be cool with having my dick inside them. In fact, I’m fine if that never happens. But being shut off from the very idea of it, not even considering that having my penis inside you is different from having a man’s penis inside you? That hurts. It’s such tiny slight that I wish I could get over it, and not let it fester into something I feel the need to write an essay about, but apparently I can’t.
        Also: I’m sure you personally aren’t violently transmisogynistic, but the same things that lead you to ask these questions are the things that lead to trans women’s deaths. This sexuality related disgust is shared by men who treat trans women (especially trans women of colour) as sex objects. This disgust is by far the most common cause of their brutal murders.

        https://transgenderreality.files.wordpress.com

        And I was trolling twitter the other day, when I stated that lesbians who refuse to have PIV sex with trans women are committing genocide and two MTTs retweeted it. Lulz. I may have already mentioned this, all apologies.

    • GinaG Says:

      There was no “Satanic Panic”. Organized child abuse exists. Child prostitution and child pornography are billion dollar businesses. The bizarre aspects of the day care cases in the 1980-90’s were blown way out of proportion in order to discredit the idea that parents or caregivers in the US were trafficking children. Sometimes organized pedophile rings use mentally manipulative tactics, like dressing up in costumes, drugging their victims, and giving them post-hypnotic suggestions, in order to confuse them and make them sound incredible. Archaeologist Gary Stickle found tunnels under the McMartin property, exactly as the children had described them. This didn’t make the news because the backlash rhetoric was already solidly in place by that time.
      The perpetrator created conspiracy theory about therapists and police comforted worried parents everywhere, and allayed the general public’s fears. It obtains today as reflected in your post, as consensus reality, with disastrous results for trafficked children and survivors. This is the real fiasco. There is yet no effective institutional response to this form of organized crime, and survivors do not have access to adequate care, because what they experienced “isn’t real”. See the work of criminologist Dr. Michael Salter, or the UK pedophile scandal to understand how trafficking networks can influence the justice system and the media.

      • GallusMag Says:

        Yes there certainly was a well-documented U.S. “Satanic Panic” fueled by a false belief in recovered memories obtained under hypnosis, among other factors. That doesn’t mean that real pedophile rings don’t exist.

        I don’t want this comment thread derailed into that topic. Keep your comments related to my post. Thank you.

      • Zemskull Says:

        Hi Jessica: Thank you for re-posting that. Seems that the MTT who wrote that is Orwellian, telling lesbians they’re committing a thought crime for not considering having sex with his penis.


  3. Reblogged this on stop trans chauvinism and commented:
    And they say this never happens. Yes, men deliberately exposing themselves, and placing themselves in a place where women can undress, is sexual predation.


  4. “Employees just rely on verbal identification or physical appearance”

    Isn’t a penis PHYSICAL APPEARANCE enough to prove a person is a MAN? Not his VERBAL IDENTIFICATION? Since he could be UM mistaken? Or maybe even LYING?

    • Susan Nunes Says:

      What these trans advocates are doing is legalizing sexual harassment and assault. If men are exposing their genitalia, it is by definition sexual harassment or indecent exposure.
      What they “identify” as is irrelevant. Of course nobody “identifies” as one sex or the other–one just IS.


    • Oh my gosh, now when I go into a women’s locker room in a “man’s” t-shirt and jeans, and maybe “men’s” running shoes (cause they are cheaper sometimes, way cheaper than women’s), I’m going to be sent to the men’s locker room? Because of my “gender presentation?” Or if I wear earrings and a necklace, that will up my female gender presentation quotient (FGPQ and MGPQ), and then I can still use the women’s locker room.

      • GallusMag Says:

        I’m not going to wear any of those things, I’m just going to stand coquettishly off-center a lot, and wave my hands around delicately a lot when I speak. In a falsetto, of course.😉

      • michelle Says:

        Gallus, don’t forget to smirk alot…oh, and the faux clutching at pearls.

  5. Mary Sunshine Says:

    Non-tranz males everywhere obviously have this figured out. How could they not?

    And as usual, males don’t have to answer to anybody. (Unless they’re black, and being addressed by a male cop).

  6. Annoyed Bi Chick Says:

    Have you guys seen this one? Man posing as woman to obtain child porn. He really looks like a 25-year-old woman to me…

    • Susan Nunes Says:

      Nah, he has the telltale jaw line

    • kesher Says:

      That is definitely not the predator’s photo. Catfishers use other people’s photos, if they use a photo at all.

    • sarineal Says:

      Assuming it’s not a fake picture stolen to go with the fake persona or otherwise doctored. If it is real, there’s a reason why it’s grainy, taken at a funny angle, it’s a head shot devoid of context (for FtT this often includes upper torso) and with heavy makeup. Any photographer can tell you it’s easy to deceive and make someone look completely different to what they would normally. This person is however, acting very typically as a predatory male and well knows that cultivating a woman persona makes it much less likely he will be suspected and detected.

      Have to say this law is working exactly how it was intended to do – make areas separated by sex areas where males can enter unfettered, and make anyone that has this inflicted on them suffer the consequences. Staff that have to deal with this are hung out to dry as by the rules, they are not able to remove this person or make them uncomfortable, preventing them questioning their presence there and the presumption is they are using the “correct bathroom”. How transphobic is it to suggest a set up too, I thought it was beyond the pale to reduce people down to genitalia and an absolute crime to question a males authentic female body.

    • michelle Says:

      yeah, it was a stolen picture…from a different article:

      “Police, who released a photo of the woman as part of their investigation, said that they know her real identity and she had nothing to do with the crime.”

      Photos of the perverted male are found at http://www.durhamregion.com/news-story/6310868-update-bowmanville-man-facing-luring-charges-free-on-bail/

  7. Bob Doublin Says:

    Didn’t take long,did it? Just last week, the Seattle Times published an article about the state Senate failing to repeal this law. In their print version (the online version of the article edited this part out) a trans supporter proclaimed that shit like this had NEVER happened (implying fallaciously that just because it hadn’t happened yet-and I think that is more than likely false-means it will never happen.)
    Also,just Monday, the Seattle Times published an Oped from a local father worrying about his 6yo SON (whom he claimed was his daughter) having to use the men’s bathroom with a bunch of predators. Apparently he doesn’t care that girls have to undress in front of predators. (And why can’t he accompany his son to the men’s rr until the kid is older?)
    Here is the link to the editorial,if it is okay to share.http://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.seattletimes.com%2Fopinion%2Fmy-transgender-daughter-should-not-have-to-use-the-mens-restroom%2F&h=kAQG8AwSR&s=1

  8. QS Says:

    Wasn’t Colleen Francis also in Washington State? How many young girls need to suffer indecent exposure before they realise the law was poorly thought out? There’s no way that the police wouldn’t have been called on this man before all of this madness.

  9. shediogenes Says:

    So they offered alternative facilities to everyone. What happens when 30 women and girls ask for alternative facilities and demand them immediately? Do we have to wait to use a single stall room one at a time because some dude is given the option to waste all women’s time? I assume when they said he left EVENTUALLY, they mean to say after he took his time and got dressed.

  10. Zemskull Says:

    “Employees just rely on verbal identification or physical appearance”

    If one conflicts with the other, which one holds supremacy?


  11. How quickly can a man expose himself or assault someone? It takes almost no time at all and yet it is treated as a non-emergency now because asking his opinion about himself is now legally neccessary before protecting girls from danger.

    • GallusMag Says:

      Yes, women and girls are supposed to be alarmed about a dude waving his dick around the women’s locker room only after questioning his beliefs about the existence or nonexistence of reproductive personalities (“gender identity”).

      • SkepticalMom Says:

        But isn’t it rude and transphobic to ask the dude whether or not he’s a laydee? I don’t think questions are allowed — I think we’re supposed to stand back and marvel at his loveliness, aren’t we? What was that Clayton Williams said back in the day about rape? Ahh yes, that women should just relax and enjoy it!

      • Magdalena Z. Says:

        Well, you see, after they are apprised that this is in fact just a dainty harmless female penis, they can all relax *whew!* and laugh at how silly they were being and have a great time, I’m picturing a Mentos ad here.

  12. Zemskull Says:

    Does the Evan’s Pool facility have surveillance cameras in its public and outside areas? Just wondering here if there’s footage of how masculine this man is, if he actually went for a swim (as opposed to just peering at young girls in the pool area), how long it took staff to address concerns from parents each time, and whether there’s footage of his license plates (assuming that he drove).

    • kesher Says:

      Speaking as someone who’s used Seattle’s public pools, but not at this location, I think it’s safe to assume the facility does not have surveillance cameras.

  13. Bob Doublin Says:

    http://www.wcnc.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/02/17/transgender-rule-washington-state-man-undresses-locker-room/80501904/

    Looks like they’re trying to defuse this whole thing by calling it a “test” and trying to connect the guy to the side opposing the law.In a perverse sort of guilt by association? Has anyone else seen anything else taking this tack?

    • GallusMag Says:

      Because apparently a conspiracy theory is more likely than some random creep getting his jollies by perving on women which happens innumerable times every day. Okay.

      • GallusMag Says:

        Unconvincing. I’ve seen a thousand times more evidence that male “transwomen” who bear no resemblance to women whatsoever intend to use, and demand the right, to occupy those spaces that are sex-segregated for female privacy and safety from male predation. There are tens of thousands of posts from “transwomen” all over the internet to that effect. This is pure spin and damage control. It is interesting however, how quickly the gender lobby utterly abandons all their principles and arguments and how unconcerned they are about “disrespecting the womanhood” of what is likely a “transwoman” who fails to pass or who rejects “cisnormativity”. Even though they claim doing so may cause suicidality, and is an act of violence.

      • Zemskull Says:

        I am also unconvinced. It appears that a couple of men in January posed the idea on a Facebook page that groups of men should occupy the women’s bathrooms at a Y locker room or Capitol building in order to attract media attention and “shut down the business.” There were no further discussions on the page regarding the idea, and no news stories that these mass protests ever happened. Apparently these men were just blowing off steam.

      • GallusMag Says:

        Here’s a good example of a transgender “hero” and “rights activist” whose story exactly parallels the man denounced by transgender activists as a fraud in the Seattle case.

        http://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/transgender-woman-denied-change-room-access-at-victoria-pool-1.2587395

        A man shows up at a Canadian pool and asks if they abide by a “say the magic words” gender identity policy. They said yes.

        “city protocol allows transgender people to use whichever change rooms they identify with”.

        The man had taken no hormones nor undergone any surgical procedures. There was no objective difference between him and any other typical man. He left and returned in an ugly dress and demanded access to the women’s locker room. He refused use of the unisex/family changing area. When he was cock-blocked he claimed a human rights violation based on failure to affirm his feelings of psychological sex/gender identity.

        This was a man whose sole expression of his “gender identity” was his desire to access the female locker room. News reporters did not identify him but deferred to his fictional made-up name, “Brittney Remington”, and referred to him as a “woman” and decried his “humiliation”. The city formally apologized for hurting his gender feels.

        For what reason were women and girls required to sacrifice their privacy in the change room to the Creepy Man? For what possible reason did this male need to use the female facility? In what way does the case of this individual, hailed as a transgender hero, differ from the one that played out in Washington State?

        So no, I don’t believe either of these men were right wing conspiracies trying to make transgender people look bad. I think they are by definition, “transwomen”, whose male fantasies and feelings override the rights of women and girls to protect ourselves from Creepy Dudes, voyeurs, peeping toms and sexual fetishists as a matter of law.

      • KgSch Says:

        I agree. The right-wing doesn’t need a conspiracy to make these dudes look bad; they do it on their own. It’s common knowledge (or at least it should be for anyone reading this website) how these men react towards being told “no”.

        Men, women impersonators or not, commonly perv on women in places like bathrooms or locker rooms or at least try to. The reason for the separate bathrooms is so that if a dude tries to do this, at least you can call the cops. Also, most businesses don’t want the reputation of “that place where dudes can perv on women” because they’d lose business.

        It should not be surprising that a law like this will allow MTTs to do what they’ve been threatening to do all along.

      • Zemskull Says:

        It’s possible that, at some point in the future, a group of conservative men will stage a mass demonstration in a women’s bathroom, and invite the media to document the spectacle. I’m just not finding those two Facebook posts particularly compelling.

    • Oak and Ash Says:

      Let me get this straight–they’re claiming this is some kind of false flag incident?

      It sounds like they’re preparing to blame radical feminists when the inevitable instances of autogynephiles and standard-issue creeps perving on women in our private spaces start piling up.

  14. born free & female Says:

    But what riiiiiiiiight does anyone have to say that this guy wasn’t transgender? He shouldn’t haaaaaave to verbally identify himself! Asking if he’s trans could endanger his safety! And his feelings!

    • Trish Says:

      Well it actual genitals aren’t a reason to conclude which sex/gender a person is, why should someone with a penis wearing men’s clothes not be presumed to have a female gender somewhere inside “her” head?

      • waddel lkelly Says:

        Don’t know why! I don’t wanna expose myself to your children or grandchildren or your mom in a ladies room however….I will strip naked and shake it up for avroomful ofnpartying females and for a damn goodbprice as well! Buzz Kelly for reviews!!!!!

    • GallusMag Says:

      It’s interesting how quickly the transgender community embraced “transmisogyny” and “misgendering” in disowning this individual who claimed protection under gender identity statutes. Suddenly they invoke transphobic standards of “cisnormativity”, calling their transsister a “man”, ignoring the potential hair-trigger suicidality they claim is caused by doing exactly that.

      • Jessica Says:

        @Gallusmag

        Of course.

        A ‘real’ TW would *never* do such a thing. Ever.

        And if such a thing happens, well, it is a man, not an innocent TW

        Oh, and we can’t do anything to prevent such abuses, because then real TW will be harmed. So, just ignore all those dicks in your faces, ladies and girls.

        One thing that I have noticed, however, is that many of these progressives have a habit of sticking their head in the sand and expecting the rest of us to do the same. Oh, Muslim rape in Cologne? Well, white men rape too, so just shut up about it. Oh, TW or men lying about TW raping women in DV shelters/bathrooms/changerooms? Well, it can’t be prevented, and if it does happen, it’s ok, cuz a few rape victims a year is an acceptable sacrifice!

        And you know what this leads to? It empowers the right wing. Because a few more incidents like this and people *will* notice. And they will get upset. And it will feed the fires of the rightwingers, who *will* harm trans persons even more than these idiots could eve imagine.

  15. Trish Says:

    Wow – that was quick.

  16. leeda Says:

    Just posting in case anyone wants to try and talk some sense in these comments.
    “wakame”‘s actual sex is betrayed by his textbook mansplanationing in response to every argument. He shows up everytime there’s an article like this and the same bullshit links to the same dubious studies.

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/16/separate-bathroom-bill-transgender-students-south-dakota

    • GallusMag Says:

      https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/46b82s/the_guardian_publishes_an_article_on_bathroom/

      “The Guardian publishes an article on ‘bathroom bills’ then deletes all women-centred comments. This article went from 40+ comments, some of which were brilliant, then went down to 20 pro-trans comments.

      Please send an email to the… editor at the Guardian, the person who is higher up than the moderators. It is highly likely that the manager is unaware of how the moderator is brutally censoring the comments. I did that somewhere last year and the manager obviously changed either the moderator or the moderating policy, because after that, gender critical comments were staying up.

      https://www.theguardian.com/info/about-guardian-us/contact

      https://www.theguardian.com/info/complaints-and-corrections

      I also included the very polite and very factual comment which had been removed, as an example of the kind of thing deemed too horrible to publish by the transgendered moderator.”


      • I just wrote to the editor to complain. Two very polite commenters’ comments were repeatedly deleted, Wakame’s responses to them over and over again, stating that that he is and has always been a woman, remain.

      • Susan Nunes Says:

        I was banned from commenting there. The Guardian is one of the worst for censoring comments they don’t like; i.e., that tell the truth. The Daily Mail also heavily censors comments on virtually all articles on trans though less so than in the past. because they get so many that are critical.

      • LC Says:

        Ugh… reading some of the comments there- and especially, the polite responses to wakame- is insane. No matter how polite, how reasonable, it is -never- enough. You must agree with every word they say or you want them all to die. I knew that, it’s just sometimes they make it so clear.

        It gets to be impossible to support them on any grounds, because compromise is impossible. I’d be willing to concede that they do need some protections in some circumstances, but who can even take that position anymore? Makes me wonder sometimes if the trans activists are trying to destroy their own movement, as I can’t believe the public is going to tolerate their unreasonable demands forever.

    • Magdalena Z. Says:

      I sent a message to megan.carpentier@theguardian.com
      I hope that is the right person, and I hope it’s not actually a dude. I’ve been banned like twice from guardian for not toeing the line on CI. It’s extremely maddening reading insane comments from wackadoo wakame when he writes things like “trans women and cis women are subsets of woman” and “Basically, I was born me, and I happen to be female, even if that wasn’t obvious when I was born due to a masculine body-type.” and not being able to respond.

    • Kalmia Says:

      Regarding Guardian comments, I’ve found that whoever is moderating the sports threads is pretty relaxed about letting polite and factual comments stand. Any time there’s been a “trans in sports” thread you get an endless string of . . . you know I was about to write “guys commenting that trans competing as women is bullshit” and I just realized I answered my own question about why things are moderated differently on the sports threads. Sigh.

  17. LQ Says:

    TL;DR legal playbook – Woman is uncomfortable, woman gets to leave. Man is uncomfortable, woman gets to leave.

  18. WTF Is This Nonsense? Says:

    How did they “confirm” anything “inappropriate” happened? How exactly do they confirm that beyond any doubt? That person might have had a FEELING! Who can say? Sounds like they made a wild guess that something inappropriate happened. 8P

    Does html work for everyone here?
    checking
    feeling
    sorry 😛


  19. @Gallus,

    “I also included the very polite and very factual comment which had been removed, as an example of the kind of thing deemed too horrible to publish by the transgendered moderator.”

    My comments were deleted too. It doesn’t matter how polite or factually correct a comment is.

    This issue impacts half the human population, and women are being silenced. The Guardian is acting like the thought police. It’s deeply Orwellian and disturbing.

    • WTF Is This Nonsense? Says:

      2+2=5! “Female” is just a magical feeling (and stiletto heels) that can’t be put into words.

    • Sketcher Says:

      Yes. Those are my thoughts exactly. The Guardian UK and Independent didn’t comment on the Cologne mass assaults for four days – the only news outlet that did was Breitbart UK, home of misogynists and right wing nutters below the line. Problem is, the BTL persons can’t attack fundamentalist Islam and women at the same time without making themselves look idiots. I’m having fun in the comments section🙂

  20. lovetruthcourage Says:

    Expect more incidents like this one. How many are enough?

  21. Toots Says:

    you cannot use “clothes, and physical appearance” as an indicator of who is a “real” trans & who is not. It can’t work that way. There is no one way that women dress, wear their hair, etc. “Style” is not what makes women women. This is why males no matter how they identify can NOT be allowed to use female bathrooms etc. I hope male allies use womens bathrooms etc just to make a point abt how wrong these rules/laws are. Sadly it may be the only way to get them repealed.


    • “I hope male allies use womens bathrooms etc just to make a point abt how wrong these rules/laws are.”

      No! Think about the women and girls. They don’t have to suffer so that men can prove a point.

    • willforageforfood Says:

      The only type of male who’s going to go get naked in a women’s locker room to make a political point of any persuasion, is a self serving, exhibitionist who enjoys violating the boundaries of women and girls, not an ally.

  22. Jessica Says:

    When I troll pro trans SJW blogs, I quote this tweet of Zinnia Jones and link to it:

    Any MTT who agrees with the above does not care about women. Not one bit.

    And the stench of entitlement.

  23. Franklin Says:

    “The law further states: “Any action taken against a person who is using a restroom or other gender-segregated facility, such as removing a person, should be taken due to that person’s actions or behavior while in the facility, and must be unrelated to gender expression or gender identity.” ”

    LOL — like a man stripping naked in front of women isn’t an ‘action’ or ‘behavior’! I wonder if getting an erection would count as an ‘action’ or ‘behavior’ unrelated to ‘female’ gender expression or identity. Probably not, in our brave new world.

    • kesher Says:

      Regarding erections, I’ve been asking that myself. There’s no real way to prove whether a woman is sexually aroused in a women’s only space, so how can a business justify removing an MTF and his raging erection? MTFs constantly insist that any differentiation between them and women in terms of anatomy is “discrimination”.

  24. Susan Nunes Says:

    I don’t see this posted above. Sorry if it is. This organization is probably a conservative outfit, but there is a movement to get this regulation or law repealed in Washington: https://justwantprivacy.org/

  25. Magdalena Z. Says:

    I can’t even deal with this, it’s making my lunch come up.

    http://www.thestranger.com/news/feature/2016/02/10/23549761/senate-republicans-anti-trans-bathroom-bills-are-unlikely-to-passandmdashbut-the-damage-is-already-done

    “In addition to Neiman, cis women survivors of sexual assault and another teen girl testified during the public hearings that they’d be scared to share a locker room with a trans stranger. Never mind that the Bureau of Justice Statistics reports that 6 out of 10 rape or sexual-assault victims know their attacker as an intimate partner, family member, friend, or acquaintance. Never mind that in a couple of years, when the teens who testified in support of the bills go to college, an average 9 out of 10 sexual-assault victims on their college campuses will know their attackers.

    Instead of informing teens about the realities of sexual assault, legislators are using them as pawns. Those same teens are being taught to fear a community that suffers from some of the highest rates of sexual victimization in the country, but not taught to recognize the much larger threat of straight, cisgender men they may already know.”

    Women learn early to be wary of ANY male when we are alone in public, or even men we know casually. Intimate partner, family member, friend, or acquaintance, add stranger and that’s the lot. Are the saying we should ignore our feelings of the creepy stranger because we’re statistically safer than with someone we know? We know if it’s a man in a dress, and personally I’d be just as concerned of an obviously mentally disturbed male in a dress in the bathroom as an average male in the women’s bathroom. Informing teenage girls of the realities of sexual assault? We know you couldn’t care less! These people make me sooo sick!!

    • Janetwo Says:

      I can only concur, this is sickening. Blaming and shaming victims for expressing valid concerns share by 99% of women. Its like common sense has taken a long vacation on Mars and decided to stay there. And we wont talk about decency. Of course we learn to be distrusful of men mostly from men we know, they had the most opportunities to molest, rape and harass us. Most crimes are crimes of opportunity, which implies familiarity with places and people. Men case women like burglars case houses. That’s why we want at least the choice to decide which ones we allow in our private spaces and we want none in the public ones we are most vulnerable. When men are going to learn that with the epidemic of sexual abuses, the pervasive harrassment women deal with, anybody with a dick is at first considered suspicious until some trust is earned? Men agressions toward women are not like shark attacks or meteorites falling on people heads; they are so common its not even funny. I never met one woman who did not have an horror story to tell.
      I am never alone in a secluded place with a man that I do not know well. Its that simple. I’d like to say it came out of reading books, sadly like most, it came from life experiences. No law on the book should ever supersede our survival instinct own by experience and our conviction that we have every right to take any measure we judge necessary to protect ourselves. Its not a statistical game where its ok to increase the risks of women to accomodate the delusions of a minority of men. Women have every rights to insist they are not put in harm way for political correctness. Women do not feel the need for protection around other women. Thats fact. Its a prey reflex we feel specifically around men, all men, wearing lipstick or not. Men fitting the definition of having XY chromosomes and a dick. We all know wearing the skin does not turn a wolf into a sheep. And the crime statistics and general behavior of tranzies toward women just confirm they are men. My attitude has always been to let the predators live as long as they dont cross the fence and eyeball the sheep. If they do, they become fair game. I honestly dont want to start carrying bear spray because I use the public toilets. But eh, dude in the lady’s room? Spray first and say sorry later😉 .

    • kesher Says:

      So that leaves 4 out of 10 women and girls who are attacked by strangers. Clearly nothing to worry about, ladies!

      And interesting that they bring up college rape. Rape on women’s college campuses is nearly unheard of, and, when it does happen, the administrations take the crime seriously. How quickly will that change with shenis on campus, and with the insistence of trans apologists that MTFs are above reproach?

    • Zemskull Says:

      Regarding girls and women generally knowing their attackers, this actually bolsters the argument that men shouldn’t be in women’s bathrooms. For example: a predatory man at a college has noticed a specific young woman who lives in one of the women’s dorm and/or regularly exercises at the college gym. It’s now become easier for this man to attack the woman if he has been granted access to her shower room.

      • Zemskull Says:

        Another scenario comes to mind: a woman breaks up with an abusive boyfriend. She either changes the locks to her home, or he never had them in the first place. Her workplace requires a badge to enter. Ex-boyfriend knows she jogs at a local high school track after work, and she often uses the bathroom before she works out. This ex now can now go wait for her in the women’s bathroom, and his entering the bathroom is no longer cause by itself to alert the police.

  26. belinda Says:

    And if my baseball bat happened to slip in my tiny delicate hands and made contact with her/his balls–I’d be sorry, I guess.

  27. Janetwo Says:

    The parents should literally go beserk on that one. Its going to come to the point they will have to repel all these inane gender laws. When people start pulling out their daughters out of schools and homeschool them and women cancel their gym subscriptions, they will have to do something. Its going to become untainable for business owners who will have to manage that shit show. Can you imagine 85 years old granny running into one of the laydeez dick at the YMCA change room? How is this any fair? There is no way anybody with common sense will allow their 12 year old girl going by herself in a public bathrooms where dicks are allowed. Most people wont let their kids be babysat by a teenage boy and are suspicuous of any males working around kindergarden kids. There are very good reasons the employees at daycares are primarily women. Common sense supercedes political correctness when it comes to kids. The day they allow tranzies in the women restrooms at my work is the day I start petitioning for organic vagina segregated bathrooms. Its like these asshats assume we are all pornsoaked pervs who dont give a flying fuck about safety and privacy. I dont know one single woman who has not an horror story about harassment and sexual abuse and we should just shut up about asking for a modicum of protection?

  28. juno Says:

    I used to swim at a Seattle facility and I see some big problems ahead.

    One of the services that the pools offer is a block of women’s only swim time. In my old neighborhood this was primarily a service for the women of the local religious communities who were not allowed to be in public, let alone bathing, with males. A guy crashing the locker rooms and possibly female swims as well in a community like that would potentially discourage women from these communities (as much as I disagree with such philosophies) and deprive them ofa much needed outlet for exercise and socialization.

    It will be interesting to see how far this will go and what will be done about it.

    • kesher Says:

      As much as I dislike misogynistic religion, I will always prioritize the right of women in those communities to get away from males, regardless of their reasons.

  29. Janetwo Says:

    A bit of a stretch to post here in regards to the topic, but one more example why the LGBT needs to ditch the T: http://www.ibtimes.com/bills-protect-gay-transgender-workers-discrimination-are-stalling-nationwide-2314745
    Like many old school progressive, I always and will always support gay rights and I dont want to choose between protecting my rights as woman and the rights of gay people. I cant imagine the dilemma for lesbians. Gender identity has no business to figure in any law text when sex and sexual orientation are there.

  30. Larichus Says:

    This is my surprised face.

  31. govinda1 Says:

    I’m puzzled about why they the lobby is portraying this issue as “the key battleground”.
    I guess the strategy is to try and make people think of vulnerable teen transgenders who just want to “fit in” and have an innocent pee, rather than the problematic trojan horse that this represents.

    But it seems as if the strategy only makes people focus on the fact that this represents an invasion of female-only places. Obtaining the “right” for biological males to be in these places involves taking away the existing right of women (and people responsible for public safety) to keep biological men out.

    They’re seriously misguided on this one. The right don’t like it, neither do many people on the left. I hope it contributes to this stuff going down in flames


  32. This is from a Guardian article entitled, “Public toilets – the key battleground for bigots wanting to legislate trans people out of existence” by Lindy West.

    “And, anyway, as Marcie Bianco reported Mic last year, claims that letting trans people use the toilet is somehow a “safety” issue are founded on literally nothing. “Vincent Villano, the director of communications for the National Center for Transgender Equality, told Mic in an email that there isn’t any firm data to corroborate these lawmakers’ claims, and that NCTE has ‘not heard of a single instance of a transgender person harassing a non-transgender person in a public restroom.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/21/public-toilets-battleground-for-bigots-legislate-trans-people-out-of-existence-south-dakota

    Not only is this not true, transgender identified males offend at the same rate as males, and have committed all kinds of crimes against girls and women.

    This is from an earlier gendertrender post. I know it’s a long post, but the Guardian isn’t being truthful.

    I’m not aware of one woman who has raped a transwoman (male), but it’s a fact that there are transgender registered sex offenders who have molested girls or raped women (Paul Witherspoon, Sandy Jo Battista, child rapist Ronny Darnell, cross dressing sex offender Thomas Lee Benson, etc). Richard, “Sherri”, Masbruch not only raped two women, he sadistically tortured them with electrical wires before raping them. There isn’t anything that so-called “cis gendered” men haven’t done to women that transgender identified males and cross dressing males haven’t done to women. I’m talking about from cold blooded murder (wife killer Robert, “Michelle”, Kosilek, Kenneth Hunt aka Ketheena Soneeya , etc) to helping to murder a 13 year old black girl and dumping her body in a box, and sitting the box on fire (Synthia China Blast). Currently, in Washington State transwoman Douglas “Donna” Perry is on trial for first degree murder of three women. For all we know, there could have been more women, but he is being charged with three murders. Dainty “Donna” served time on federal weapons charges because he was in possession of a pipe bomb, 49 firearms, and 20,000 rounds of ammunition. Do you really think they have special “lady brains”? They offend at the same rate as other males. There was even a 30 year study that states,

    “…regarding any crime, male-to-females had a significantly increased risk for crime compared to female controls (aHR 6.6; 95% CI 4.1–10.8) but not compared to males (aHR 0.8; 95% CI 0.5–1.2). This indicates that they retained a male pattern regarding criminality.

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

    Males identifying as transgender or “women” have raped women. In fact, there are numerous cases.

    A transexual and transvestite were found guilty of raping a woman and inflicting grievous bodily harm as well as burglary. This was in 2012, and the judge described the case as the worst he has ever seen.

    http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Transexual-transvestite-guilty-raping-woman/story-22359000-detail/story.html

    A crossdressing cabbie was convicted of raping a woman and recording the attack on his cell phone. He was wearing makeup, wig, and a dress when he attacked the woman. The woman was so drunk she passed out. He raped her in the back seat, and even took photos of it on his cell phone.

    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/crossdresser-cabbie-convicted-of-rape-958087

    Part of this is from earlier gendertrender posts. Sorry for boring regular readers, but women need to know this information. Gallus, I’m sorry for the long post, but these Guardian articles aren’t being truthful.

    It’s a fact that males dressed in wigs, skirts, and makeup, or identifying as transgender have been convicted of committing crimes in women’s restroom, locker rooms, and women’s homeless shelters. In fact, there are numerous cases. They have also murdered and raped women.

    The sexual predator Christopher, “Jessica”, Hambrook identified as transgender just long enough to gain access to two different women’s homeless shelters where he sexually assaulted homeless women. Imagine the terror that these homeless women felt. Trans activists say that Hambrook doesn’t count because he really wasn’t transgender. At the time he was assaulting women in homeless shelters he called himself “Jessica” and said he was transgender. How else would he get into the women’s homeless shelters? If he wasn’t allowed in the women’s homeless shelters, trans activists would have pitched a fit and sued.

    I see this as statistics and probability. The more that biological males have access to women’s restrooms, locker rooms, showers, women’s homeless shelters, etc. sooner or later there will be another Hambrook, Mr. Colleen Francis, or Mr. Carlotta Sklodowska incident. It’s just a matter of time. We know three things.

    (1.) There are far more male registered sex offenders than female sex offenders. Look at the crime statistics.

    Center for Sex Offender Management
    A Project of the Office of Justice Programs, U.S. Department of Justice 2007

    National criminal justice statistics reveal that of all adults and juveniles who come to the attention of the authorities for sex crimes, females account for less than 10% of these cases (FBI, 2006). Specifically, arrests of women represent only 1% of all adult arrests for forcible rape and 6% of all adult arrests for other sex offenses.

    http://www.csom.org/pubs/female_sex_offenders_brief.pdf

    Females don’t rape males, or other women, anywhere near the same rate as males rape women.

    (2.) Most violent crime is committed by males, and there are more males in prison.

    This is actual Federal Bureau of Prisons statistics in the U.S. as in who is actually incarcerated by sex. Look at the graph.

    https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_gender.jsp

    (3.) Paraphilias such as voyeurism are more common in males. I’m not saying they can’t occur in females. They are more common in males. If people aren’t sure what paraphilias are, below are a few examples.

    Tutu-Clad Assault Suspect Suffers “Transvestic Fetishism” (Google Gregory Phillip Schwartz)

    http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Tutu-Clad-Assault-Suspect-Suffers-Tranvestic-Fetishism-Attorney-Gregory-Schwartz-Big-Lots–288752051.html

    The defense said his transvestic fetish was caused by drug use, and this is why he got high, stole a pink Barbie outfit, and terrorized a woman in a Big Lots women’s restroom.

    Cross-dressing Russell Williams, a highly decorated Canadian Air Force colonel, was sentenced to life in prison in 2011 for 88 sex crimes including 2 counts of murder and 2 counts of sexual assault. After each of these crimes, he photographed himself in his victims’ underwear and bras.

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/secret-life-of-crossdressing-killer-colonel-revealed-20101019-16rt2.html

    Stefonknee Wolscht and Carlotta Sklodowska – males with obvious sexual fetishes who claim “gender identity” and demand access to women’s restrooms, locker rooms, and women’s homeless shelters.

    https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2015/11/29/transwoman-stefonknee-wolscht-lives-life-as-a-six-year-old-girl/

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3356084/I-ve-gone-child-Husband-father-seven-52-leaves-wife-kids-live-transgender-SIX-YEAR-OLD-girl-named-Stefonknee.html

    https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/tag/carlotta-sklodowska/

    This is link from a conservative website that compiled a list of crimes. Lots of links to crimes committed by cross dressing males and/or males identifying as “women” that happened in women’s restrooms and locker rooms.

    http://nounequalrights.com/information/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/The-Threat-to-Women-and-Girls-Illustrated-1.pdf

    Link to the actual campus police report in the Colleen Francis and “her male genitalia” incident in the women’s locker room at Evergreen State College in Olympia, Washington.

    http://www.adfmedia.org/files/EvergreenPoliceReport.pdf

    More links (from a woman who was married to a cross dresser):

    https://outofmypantiesnow.wordpress.com/2013/08/23/this-is-transgender/

    • lovetruthcourage Says:

      Excellent post, but it is the Guardian readership that needs to hear it. No one here needs convincing. Of course, the comment will be scrubbed. Post it anyway. Some will see it and that is all you can do in the face of British censorship. Keep posting the truth and let the staff run after it.

    • Magdalena Z. Says:

      Speaking of the Guardian and their propensity for trying to put women at risk for the “safety” of male criminals with lady brains.

      http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/feb/25/safety-fears-for-transgender-woman-in-solitary-confinement-in-mens-prison

      “She faced court via video link from Hakea on Tuesday on charges of grievous bodily harm for allegedly knowingly exposing a male partner to HIV, and was refused bail. She is yet to enter a plea.

      Rebecca Davies, president of People for Sex Worker Rights in Western Australia, said Palmer was “very distressed” and currently separated from the general population for her own protection. Davies said she was concerned Palmer may be put in solitary confinement.

      “We are concerned for her safety and her mental well being,” Davies told Guardian Australia.

      “It’s been shown repeatedly that solitary confinement is really bad for people’s mental health, and also solitary confinement is usually reserved as a punishment … she hasn’t done anything wrong in prison to be in solitary confinement.

      “I don’t think that she would be safe if she wasn’t, though.”

      “Based on the information we know, placing this trans woman in a male prison seems inappropriate and puts an already vulnerable person at risk of psychological harm, whether from being treated as male or living in fear of abuse.””

      No mention of what this might mean for women’s safety if this male with HIV were to be housed among them. The guardian does not care about women at all.


  33. In addition to physical safety issues, the Guardian articles ignore the emotional well-being and mental health of female students. In 2009, there was a brutal gang rape of a young woman at a Richmond, California high school. She was found under a picnic table. Her injuries were so severe that she was air-lifted to a hospital in critical condition. I want Lindy West and the Guardian to explain to me why a male student’s “gender identity” is more important that this young woman’s PTSD?

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/05/member-in-brutal-california-gang-rape-taunted-me-alleged-victims-father-says.html

    This is from the National Sex Offender Public website.

    https://www.nsopw.gov/en-US/Education/FactsStatistics?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

    Child/Teen Victims

    In a 2012 maltreatment report, of the victims who were sexually abused, 26% were in the age group of 12–14 years and 34% were younger than 9 years.

    Approximately 1.8 million adolescents in the United States have been the victims of sexual assault.

    Research conducted by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) estimates that approximately 1 in 6 boys and 1 in 4 girls are sexually abused before the age of 18.

    35.8% of sexual assaults occur when the victim is between the ages of 12 and 17.

    82% of all juvenile victims are female.

    Teens 16 to 19 years of age were 3 ½ times more likely than the general population to be victims of rape, attempted rape, or sexual assault.

    Approximately 1 in 5 female high school students report being physically and/or sexually abused by a dating partner.

  34. Zemskull Says:

    I haven’t noticed any of the POTUS candidates commenting on this and similar incidents. The only candidates I’ve noticed to be trans-critical in the past are Trump and Cruz, but I haven’t heard them say anything lately.

  35. nonny Says:

    The Stranger update on this incident is fuckin insane. I’ve never had such a hardcore Poe’s Law moment before. Either this is brilliant covert satire or…..please just let it be that. This shit cannot be real.
    http://tinyurl.com/pervbath
    Highlights (paraphrased):
    – transwomen never creep on or assault women in public bathrooms, it’s just a myth, and this incident was an orchestrated as part of a right wing conspiracy
    – there are no such things as safe spaces for women anywhere anyway, so get over it and stop complaining
    – ….but at the same time, transwomen are in danger of assault, so you have to let them into women’s spaces to be safe….or something

    Bye, going to go live in a fuckin cave

    • lovetruthcourage Says:

      Unfortunately, this is a really great synopsis. Oh, the irony!

    • Ashland Avenue Says:

      And once AGAIN, no one addresses how women are supposed to be able to tell the difference between some MtT “just trying to use the facilities” (*puke*), and some perv using the rules allowing men into women’s spaces for his own pleasure. We’re just supposed to give them the benefit of the doubt, I guess.

      Once again, women are the ones expected to acquiesce to men’s needs. Fuck this shit. I ever see some dude in my gym’s locker room flashing his dick, you can BET I’m going to say something. I am NOT going to make him feel welcome in any way.


  36. @ovetruthcourage

    “Excellent post, but it is the Guardian readership that needs to hear it. No one here needs convincing.”

    I tried posting, and other women tried posting, but it gets deleted. This is the way the Guardian works.

    • lovetruthcourage Says:

      Yes, unfortunately. I know the Guardian works that way. I have tried posting there too. How can we convince them to change their policy or bring this censorship issue to the other readers? If we comment on it there, a few readers may see it, and then our posts about censorship will themselves be censored. Any ideas? Perhaps, I will write snail mail to their editors and owners when I get the chance. But are there any ideas for a more effective approach?

  37. Two Steps Says:

    This new law is a big can of evil. We now have evidence that a convicted sex criminal wants to use the women’s locker rooms. And because he lives in Washington, and because the law says he can, he probably will use the women’s locker rooms and showers.

    http://bit.ly/1TIMazs

    Even though he was convicted of raping a 20 year old deaf woman in Nebraska in 2006, he is not listed as a sex offender in Washington state. Is that because he is now “a woman”?


  38. @Two Steps

    The blog Privilege Denying Tranny dug up all we need to know about the rapist Jonathan “Johanna” Wolf.

    When someone noticed that his name looked familiar, they did some background work. He deleted his comments, but not before someone screencapped them.

    https://privilegedenyingtranny.wordpress.com/2016/02/23/dont-worry-about-predators-says-m2f-rapist/

    This is unreal. A trans sex offender who raped a deaf girl goes on a Seattle website and calls everyone transhpobic Fu$%##@!(^. Not only are we bigots, we are all f^&#@ uneducated and ignorant.

    https://privilegedenyingtranny.wordpress.com/2016/02/23/dont-worry-about-predators-says-m2f-rapist/

    Thanks PDT (Privilege Denying Tranny)

    @Even though he was convicted of raping a 20 year old deaf woman in Nebraska in 2006, he is not listed as a sex offender in Washington state. Is that because he is now “a woman”?

    Good Question.

    It’s really spooky because Jonathon Adrian Wolf got his name changed in 2013 in King County Washington State to Johanna Adrianna Wolf.

    https://privilegedenyingtranny.wordpress.com/2016/02/23/dont-worry-about-predators-says-m2f-rapist/

    Someone needs to inform the authorities in Washington State.

    Sex offenders should not be able to legally change their names and gender markers on their birth certificate. States like Washington and California make it ridiculously easy for any sexual predator to change his name and birth certificate. Then, these creeps can legally use the women’s restroom and locker room. This has to change.

    • lovetruthcourage Says:

      Birth certificates don’t have “gender markers.” (That is pro-tranny language.) Birth certificates have fields for biological sex. Language matters; that is why tranny supporters are trying to bastardize it.

    • Seattle Rain Says:

      THANK YOU for the warning. My friends and I have met this Johanna Wolf/Jonathan Adrian Wolf person several times, and none of us knew he was a sex offender. He’s very busy in several Seattle groups. Polling social media and my friends, he’s been seen often in the Seattle sex positive community, the gay Pride events, Ignition Northwest (performance art done with fire), the Mercury and Liberty bars, Mensa of Western Washington, the live theater scene (including Seattle Children’s Theatre), and Burning Man groups. Wolf’s Facebook page suggests that he spends a lot of time at these groups with a couple named Andras Blake and Katie Pennella (maybe they’re unaware he’s a sex offender).

      If Wolf is breaking the law by not registering as a sex offender, hopefully above are some leads as to where he can be found.


  39. Gallus Mag, there has been something bothering me for a few years now, I thought I was out of step, that I was the one that didn’t equate. Thank you and all the other women here that showed me I was right, I wasn’t going mad, there were actually a world of men that hate me, who deride and fetishise me.

    Thank you.

    I hope I can take what you’re doing and push it along a bit. I’m not frightened of these men, I’m not scared, I know they are vile, it’s a given, is there something we can do IRL?

    I have a daughter and a son, materially, what can we do as women?

  40. Janetwo Says:

    Its starting. The mom of a blind 7 yo daughter just said no way and is pulling her children out of school The Daily Mail closed the comments section just a few hours after posting. I guess too many supportive comments for the courageous mom.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3469658/Cella-White-calls-transgender-children-affliction-heated-Q-debate.html

    • GallusMag Says:

      That reminds me of an essay I read by a blind man about his dawning realization that one of the men he was seated at a table with at a luncheon was supposed to be a “transwoman”. It took him a long time to figure it out. If I remember where I read it I’ll put up the link.

      I wonder how that plays out for blind women in restrooms and locker rooms, etc.

  41. Rosemary Says:

    In other Seattle news…

    ” Seattle police have arrested a suspect in several incidents of indecent exposure and voyeurism late last year in the Miller Park neighborhood….”

    “Officers arrested the 33-year-old suspect, who identifies as a woman, and booked her into the King County Jail for a $100,000 voyeurism warrant.”

    (emphasis mine)

    http://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2016/02/29/detectives-seek-leads-on-wig-and-denim-cutoff-wearing-suspect-in-miller-park/

    • GallusMag Says:

      First off,
      1. These things never happen. These things have never happened. Stop saying things happen that never happen.
      2. He’s lying about being trans, because a male transgender is incapable of committing, deliberately or through an act of omission, any action that results in harm to another human being.
      3. She may have been just airing out her female penis. Also she may have been forced to study female bathroom users up-close because she didn’t have the cis privilege of growing up as a girl and was forced to do recon using the principles learned in her military career.
      4. Sexual crimes not involving assault, rape and/or murder are victimless crimes.
      5. Women are more likely to be preyed upon by transwomen they know, rather than strangers. Oops! I meant men, not transwomen (see #2.)
      6. He was obviously someone- probably a right winger under orders from TERFS- trying to make transwomen look bad.
      7. Women expose themselves and commit voyeurism against other women too. Especially lesbians.

      • Ashland Avenue Says:

        You made my morning with that list, Gallus! Number three’s my favorite. Or maybe number six. Oh hell, the whole thing.❤

      • Jessica Says:

        First off, 1. These things never happen. These things have never happened. Stop saying things happen that never happen. 2. He’s lying about being trans, because a male transgender is incapable of committing, deliberately or through an act of omission, any action that results in harm to another human being. 3. She may have been […]

        You made my morning with that list, Gallus! Number three’s my favorite. Or maybe number six. Oh hell, the whole thing.❤

        Ayup.

        i have shown trans allies news articles wherein trans women or men pretending to be MTT have *raped* women in bathrooms etc, and they will reply, telling me that ‘no trans woman has ever hurt anyone ever’.

        These folks love to deny reality.

  42. Gator Fan Says:

    It only a matter of time before the headline will read, “Man posing as transgender rapes young girl in locker room’. Or, “gun toting father shoots man molesting his daughter in public bathroom”. Or, “group of young men beat man who claims to be transgender while using public ladies bathroom”. Then, the next step will be lawsuits filed by the so called transgender’s who will use the protection of hate crime laws to support their reasons for being there in the first place. The only people who stand to win in this entire mess are the attorneys.


  43. There is plenty if bathrooms in a school all that would need too be done…without making people wine is simply turn a couple bathrooms into transgender restrooms. One for transgender girls and one for transgender boys…and when they start to catch them doing stuff they should not be doing simply suspend them from school, just like they would anyone else. Then the hole problem would be solved. The old saying goes (give them enough rope and they will hang themself). That is a metaphor by the way.

    • lovetruthcourage Says:

      The problem is that trans won’t use a 3rd option restroom or locker room. They demand full access to their goal sex. No compromises. They don’t just want a safe place to pee, or a 3rd option would work. What they want, is to force their social engineering onto others and violate boundaries.

  44. mxd Says:

    What Is bizarre to me is how the trans agenda has and is being so wholeheartedly and uncritically promoted by mainstream media. Incidents like these are rarely reported. Now everyone, especially the corporate and entertainment world, are piling on North Carolina.

    A few years ago, my (university) gym posted regular campus security reports on a bulletin board. Rarely did a month go by without males entering women’s private areas such as washrooms and changerooms. Now they have an excuse.

    This same gym has also instituted women-only hours, officially for women who don’t feel comfortable working out in the presence of men, unofficially to accommodate sharia.

  45. John Stevens Says:

    So, if your body doesn’t identify you as having a given gender, then what does? Gender specific clothing?

    If it is your clothes, then are we saying that women must now wear dresses and high heels to be identified as women?

    Does this mean that a woman wearing pants and boots should be shown out of the women’s locker room for identifying themselves as male?

    I mean, didn’t the feminists fight for the right to wear men’s clothing?

  46. Katie King Says:

    There in lies the problem with these new “gender” bs bills! Women and children are being targeted and are being stalked in the name of “gender equality”. Just because a man is not comfortable in his own skin does not mean he is able to violate the privacy of women and children. Violating the rights of women and children will not make him more comfortable in his skin unless he is a pervert. If so, he should be forced to use the family restroom and police should be called! This new nazi law that disrespects women and children and attempts to dehumanized people needs to come to an end! You don’t trample on the 99.7%’s rights for the .3% of the population! Get it together people!!!!

  47. Jeff All Says:

    how do you confirm someone identifies as female? Do you confirm it with looks, dress, etc? You can not without being sexist. For example some women have short hair and are mechanics. Some boys have long hair and are hair stylists. If your male automobile mechanic exposes himself to your young daughter at the public pool nothing can be done to prove he does not identify as female, he just has to say he feels like a woman.
    This is the price to pay for new bathroom laws

  48. Nancy Howard Says:

    Obama/Hillary are responsible. Nasty.I just changed to Republican and will never be a democrats again!!!!

    • lovetruthcourage Says:

      I hope you are not serious about changing to Republican! Yes, Obama was wrong in unilaterally issuing his edict. However, Rs are no friends to women. They oppose reproductive choice— even birth control. They are against equal pay for women doing the same jobs as men. They are against LGB marriage and domestic partnerships. They are against Head Start for preschoolers, and against affordable child care. They think caregivers (nearly all women!) should be fired for taking even a couple of days off work to care for sick children and elderly parents. They are against the Equal Rights Amendment. They support the Helms Amendment. They oppose Title IX. These are just a few ways the Rs suck. You jumped from the frying pan into the fire. Rs will gladly support trans, if it is yet another vehicle to roll back women’s rights!


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