Lauren Southern Becomes a Man

October 6, 2016

40 Responses to “Lauren Southern Becomes a Man”

  1. ptittle Says:

    Gender (masculine/feminine) is not synonymous with sex (male/female). Somebody got it wrong a decade or so ago and everyone else piled on. Let’s get it sorted out!

  2. Zacarthan Says:

    Isn’t it possible to say that “gender stereotyping” is one thing; but that it is something else altogether to say that gender and biological/genetic sex can be severed, ignored, arbitrarily deleted? For instance: it is a “gender stereotype” to say that only men can fly fighter jets. Men/males may be a majority in that occupation, but there are still women/females that are skilled fighter pilots.

    Degenderization would go further and say: Isn’t it wonderful that James, our new fighter pilot, is a “male” (man) with breasts and a vagina?
    Or Susie, our new fighter pilot, is a “female” (woman) who just happens to have a penis and testicles?

    That is a misuse of language, and it is not the truth of what is. A woman fighter pilot is a female fighter pilot; and her genitals and genetics are a foundational part of that.

    This issue is Orwellian. Even further back, it is Alice in Wonderland. Lewis Carroll’s language play.

    Isn’t this true? Going into the realm of the other mammals, say Gorillas: the Silverback male isn’t going to become the alpha female of the group. Gender and sexuality are firmly attached in that species, and so with lions and giraffes and so on. We may be more “advanced” intellectually; but we inhabit the same reality.

    Thanks, Zacarthan

  3. Zacarthan Says:

    Oh my goodness. Just watched the vid. Are we kidding?
    That easily and arbitrarily, and fraudulently..
    Down the rabbit hole we go.

  4. donesoverydone Says:

    Reblogged this on stop trans chauvinism.

  5. Oak and Ash Says:

    Although I don’t agree with Southern’s comments about long hair or high heels giving away her sex, she does look unambiguously female, so this video shows how ridiculous it is to allow people to choose their sex marker based on gender identity.

    Her comments about recognizing reality are also dead on. I mean, an omnivore and a vegetarian could argue in reasonable terms whether it’s morally right to cook a chicken, but only if both agree they’re talking about a chicken. If the omnivore insists the chicken identifies as a cabbage and therefore the vegetarian has no principled basis for objecting to cabbage cacciatore, we’ve crossed the border to bizarro land, where no sane conversation is possible.

    • Cassandra Says:

      “I mean, an omnivore and a vegetarian could argue in reasonable terms whether it’s morally right to cook a chicken, but only if both agree they’re talking about a chicken.”

      This is great.


  6. As always, such a shame it is only right-wing nutjobs who are publicly questioning the party line these days.

  7. Trish Says:

    Last I heard, she was gender Attack Helicopter!
    (Still cracks me up)

  8. GallusMag Says:

    This is funny as shit. lolololol. Protest from yesterday over University of Toronto professor refusing to use made-up pronouns.
    Too bad she’s a right winger- Lauren is funny as shit!!!!

    • LQ Says:

      I had to fast forward through the babbling laydee. They start clapping inexplicably at his nonsense about the 4 minute mark. Shortly thereafter he makes the powerful statement “Words don’t just…become words. There’s meaning behind them…” Jesus tapdancing Christ, put the microphone down, you’re boring.

      • GallusMag Says:

        Trannies: You are appropriating our voices by filming our public protest!
        Right Wingnuts: Becky is a racist slur against caucasians!

        LOLOL

    • pollyhannah11 Says:

      I blame Disney, hand sanitizer, video games, Colors by Benneton, Forever 21, and Foucault. What a shitstorm on college campuses. And George Bush, Dick Cheney, and Condeleeza Rice. Invading Iraq. The Housing Bubble. Student Loan Bubble. All the bubbles, too many bubbles. Bubbles of privilege. It’s a transgender bubble like the housing bubble, and there will be a crash. I wonder if in Newton’s time, if the intellectual “ferment” (bubble?) tracked the economy, paralleled the economy, the way that transgender/postmodernism seem to dovetail perfectly with neoliberalism, global capitalism. Does intellectual activity always echo economic activity/thinking.


    • Hey, GallusMag. Gay man here, who’s VERY frustrated with the T taking over LGB.

      At what point should we just say “fuck it” and join with the moderate conservatives who don’t want to kill lesbians and gays? I’m starting to feel like people like Lauren Southern, while being fucking horrible in some ways, would still be easier to work with than the gender-ideology left.

      Yeah, it would be a pretty unhappy alliance in a lot of ways, but at least we can have coherent disagreements without being treated like we proposed murdering their children.

      I swear to God I am not a right wing troll.

  9. Zacarthan Says:

    Is it possible, in these very surreal days, that eventually the stereotypical right/left abyss may have outlived its usefulness? When things become insane or anti-rational, well, it changes the nature of discourse altogether.
    Can I use a personal example? My father, now in the eternal, was a tall, blonde, Canadian farm boy. He was full of rage and resentment in his teens due to alcoholism in the family. Black American preachers from New York (this was the 1940s!) stopped in his town, and he had what one could call a spiritual encounter involving Jesus of Nazareth.
    That encounter changed his life, relieved him of his rage. As a young man he went to Atlanta, Georgia and taught at a black preacher’s college. He lived in ghetto Atlanta in 1951-52. He rode the bus. This was about six years before Rosa Parks started the bus rebellion against segregation. My Dad–what did he know? He knew God was a non-racist from his own experience. He used to get up, white “religious” Canadian farm boy, and give his seat to black women (sorry for gender specificity there!), in the evil days of segregated busses. They apparently accepted his offer and appreciated it!
    That’s what I’m talking about.
    Not all “right” or “left” folks are nutjobs, necessarily!! 🙂 Or if they are, they are maybe cashew or pistachio nutjobs, and may have at least a little good taste!
    Bless everybody. Including people trans/gender confused or abused or propagandized. We need to be able to think clearly, do we not….
    Thank all, and sorry GM for running on…..
    (Naughty male and all!)

    • Rachel Says:

      I’m trying to work out a way of explaining the difference between the general Left Wing, and the weird privilege pissing contest that is identity politics, which I refer to as Leftism.
      I guess the first has its basis in fiscal matters, the latter in feelings.

    • ephemeroptera Says:

      I misread your phrase “insane and anti-rational” as “insane and alt-rational.”

      That’s my new take on it, mainstream trans* activism is alt-rational.


    • I personally think the left-right split has been out of date for a while. I had a friend who used to say “Freedom and responsibility are like two wings of a bird. You need both to fly” She was talking about someone’s midlife crisis, but it made me think of left vs right wing politics. Traditional left and right are two ideologies that get into arm-wrestling matches. In real life, left and right tend to be looking at the same elephant from different perspectives, and both are usually a mix of right and wrong, or however you want to phrase it. We need the best of both sides, plus complex interactions, if we want to understand the world well.

      I really feel sorry for that doctor. And now what – does Southern get her ID switched back again? Or does she wait until the law forces it back for everyone?

  10. cocopop133 Says:

    I thought the vid itself might be enlightening and funny, but it was barely so. I did go the the Rebel Media channel where the video was originally posted. There, I found a particularly ugly video by a woman following a Slut Walk around, harassing the participants and claiming there is “no rape culture” except in 3rd world countries. Creepy kind of allies.

    • GallusMag Says:

      Allies? The video is from the racist, right wing, anti-feminist contingent. One would think that would be clear. Or are you suggesting that GenderTrender should stop posting materials for discussion if they originate from people you disagree with? I think I’ll continue to post things that I find interesting for discussion- but thanks for stopping by.

      • cocopop133 Says:

        Not familiar with Southern’s work and with no immediate comments from your site accompanying the video, I wasn’t clear of the intent of the post. Now I understand. Pardon my slow thinking. But you might note that my expression ‘creepy kind of allies’ indicative of my discomfort with the content.

        In solid alignment with you most of the time, GallusMag, I find it curious you would be so quick to assume I’m not an ally, and critical of the cross spectrum of Gendertrender posts. Continue on, indeed, but there’s little use in running over sister rad fems in the process.

      • GallusMag Says:

        You’ve been reading and commenting for years so should be aware that I OFTEN post things from various factions without adding my spin or interpretation. The “intent” is discussion. I’m not running over radfems. You, however, are leaving one nasty comment after another complaining about me and what I post. Please stop, or go away. Thanks. Running over radfems. Jesus. Do fuck off rude asshole.

      • cocopop133 Says:

        Clearly you have me confused with many of your attackers. It’s not easy what you do, and I’m glad you’re doing it. That said, you’re off the beam. Blessings.

      • GallusMag Says:

        I’m not confused but you appear to be, so I’m going to clear things up. DO NOT COMMENT HERE AGAIN. DO NOT CONTACT ME AGAIN VIA ANY MEANS FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. Thanks.

  11. Elle Says:

    OMFG. Well worth watching. This is what we are up against. Thank you to Lauren for making this video and to Gallus for posting it!

  12. Dorothy Says:

    Unfortunately, I know the reality of this video. My daughter recently applied for a name and “sex designation” change on her birth certificate and all of her legal documents in Quebec. She didn’t even need a doctor to do it, just someone 18 or over to attest to her living as a “man”. She told me, when she received the new birth certificate, that she had changed her name and pronouns! Pronouns! She has no clue of the reality she is stepping into and there is nothing I can do about it because she is an “adult” at 18. I am very much on the left, but unfortunately it’s only the conservatives with common sense these days on this issue, at least.

  13. Annoyed Bi Chick Says:

    The thing I can’t get my head around is that apparently every single Oh So Spayshul Snowflake (“flake” being the operative word here, I think) wants to have their own pronoun, so, we’re, uh, like, what? Supposed to ask each and every single new person we meet, day in and day out, what pronouns they prefer? How do you do that politely? Hell of a conversation-opener, don’t you think?

    And then what happens if, because you hear 50 different pronouns a day, you meet someone again, and you can’t remember what pronoun they like? Do they then get to ostracise you from polite society because you’re socially awkward, face-blind, or have a bad memory? How is this a win-win situation for anybody at all? You wind up looking like an idiot, the flake gets offended, you might get into hot water socially because some easily-aggrieved party decides you’re doing it maliciously…yeah, I can’t see a single way in which this goes wrong at all, can you?

    I have enough social anxiety already without worrying about everybody and sundry’s slavish devotion to identity politics, which, in this case I do not share. It’s nuts. If we had an equivalent of the Academie francaise that gets to dictate new words for our language (or tries to, at any rate), I’d say put the issue to them and tell them to come up with a small set of novelty pronouns, and then tell the flakes to make their peace with what happens after that. But we don’t, so it’s just going to be confusion and tears before bedtime until this either blows over like a bad storm, or some sort of consensus shakes out…which could literally take decades.

    In the meantime, I think those of us who are still on speaking terms with what we might jokingly like to refer to as consensus reality (which excludes the flakes, apparently, since the sky really is polka-dot in their world), probably resent the hell out of being told they have to cater to someone else’s not-necessarily-readily-apparent opinion about themselves. You may think you’re Napoleon Bonaparte, but that doesn’t mean you actually are the Emperor of France.

    • Oak and Ash Says:

      “And then what happens if, because you hear 50 different pronouns a day, you meet someone again, and you can’t remember what pronoun they like?”

      Exactly! Linguistically, the whole point of pronouns is to make it easy to refer to people and things. Asking for any pronoun other than he, she, or, maybe, they, is making a demand that the very grammar of a language be changed to suit one’s narcissistic desires. (I suppose they consider grammar just as transphobic as biology, or the rest of reality, for that matter.)

      If someone ever asks me my pronouns, I’m so tempted to reply with “Her Majesty/Her Majesty’s”–but I’m afraid some of these people would take me seriously and fail to get the joke.

    • turncoatArbitrator Says:

      In a way, I agree with the trans camp in that I think English could benefit from some changes. Why is the first thing you learn about someone their sex or “gender”? Is that always the most interesting thing about someone?

      However I think the better way would be to have pronouns based on the first letter of someone’s name. Names are chosen, names far better reflect an individual than “gender”.

      Granted, it may be daunting to learn 27 different pronouns (one for someone whose name you don’t know), but I think it could be a good idea. Any thoughts? Any ideas on what those pronouns could actually be so they that are based on a pattern thus easy to remember, and also don’t sound fucking ridiculous or pejorative (for example, she, he, and pee for Petunia)?

      • GallusMag Says:

        I assume you are trolling. If so, you will be banned. Do take a note of it. Thanks.

      • prozac Says:

        Most interesting? No. Unless you feel the need to sell others your identity constantly, what makes us interesting is rarely how others define and categorize us on a practical, casual level. We are mammals. All mammals recognize and categorise social interaction based on sex initially; we are biologically wired to discern same sex, opposite sex. Humans, dogs, kangaroos, rats, bears, ring eyed lemurs, etc etc. Dogs certainly recognise male/female humans, especially dogs who have been traumatised by men. You won’t see them saying NAMALT.

      • turncoatArbitrator Says:

        I’m not trolling, honest. I’m a long time reader and I really appreciate the site and all the effort it takes to maintain it. Rereading some of your old posts helps me remember that I’m not losing my mind.

        I support sex segregated spaces. I am a lesbian (an actual lesbian). I understand that male violence is a real concern, and I recognize that the trans ideology is deeply and inherently, misogynistic, homophobic, and logically incoherent.

        But unconscious bias against womin is a thing. I think that if it were possible (but not compulsory) to talk about womin and men without referencing sex, some of that bias might diminish. Why is that physical trait worth noting with every sentence but not eye colour? Or height? I think it’s the same logic that leads people to “identify” as men, but not “identify” as 6’3”.

        In most situations, my sex is really not the most important or interesting thing about me. And maybe every word from man wouldn’t be taken as gospel if it wasn’t necessarily known that it was a man speaking. Men might get called out on their bullshit more often.

        I suffered from some dysphoria when I was younger and had things gone a little differently, I might have pursued transition myself. I found that what made it easier to accept my sex, my body, and my lesbianism the way they were was when my sex wasn’t constantly pointed out. As though my being a girl deserved more mention than everything else about me. Why wouldn’t I resent a trait that seemed to overshadow my ideas, my feelings, and my actions?

        Language is important; if I’ve read your position correctly, you and I agree on that point. I tend to think that the English language is flawed and needs to change. I disagree on how and why the transgenderists want to do it (a man can never be a “she”), but I still think linguistic evolution is worth considering. Considering, not forcing.

        I apologize if my comments seem inane or trollish. I have only great respect for you and your commenters. If you don’t want me to comment anymore, I understand.

        Regardless, thank you for all the work you do to create a refuge of reasoning and have a good day.

      • GallusMag Says:

        Your infinite pronoun suggestion struck me as a troll comment. Thank you for clarifying and sharing your thoughts.
        I do think there are merits to the creation of a genderless pronoun. However deliberately changing language use on a global basis is very difficult. Even “Ms.” has been around for 40 years to replace Miss/Mrs. (which define women according to their marriage status and have no male equivalent) and is still not used globally.

      • turncoatArbitrator Says:

        It doesn’t have to have change globally, does it? At least not right away. Just spaces where genderless pronouns were understood could be a good start.

        I still think pronouns based on names is a good idea, if only to help us avoid sentences like, “She went to her house and rummaged through her bag. ” Yes those kinds of sentences can be modified for clarity, but sometimes people don’t know how to or don’t think it flows as well.

        27 does sound like a lot, but it really would only be 27. The same pronoun would represent “she” and “her”, and possessive would just be marked by an “s”. They would all follow a clear pattern, unlike “her”, “him”, “hers”, and “his”. You wouldn’t have to remember the pronouns individually, just the pattern they all follow.

        It might also help people remember names. There are memory techniques already out there to help with that, but I’d wager most people don’t use them even if their memory is shoddy in that area.

        But most importantly, I do think genderless pronouns would cut down on gender bias.

        To prozac: If we already recognize someone’s sex, why point it out all the time? I do think, that until womin’s liberation is achieved, gendered pronouns will have their uses. Which is why I am proposing the introduction of genderless pronouns, not the abolishment of gendered ones.

      • Oak and Ash Says:

        @turncoatArbitrator

        I sympathize, as I’ve wished since my teens that English had one inclusive pronoun for the third person singular–and even more after I studied a native American language that actually had one.

        Unfortunately, pronouns are deeply encoded in a language and much harder to change than nouns, because they’re actually part of grammar as much as vocabulary, and it would be all but impossible to institute such a change by fiat. The most likely way we could get such a pronoun in English would be if we lost the distinction between sh- and h- in initial position (such a thing has happened in other languages), so that both she and he end up sounding the same.

        This is unlikely in our lifetime, and even if we had such a pronoun, it might not make that much difference in the way women are treated, becuase linguistic distinctions don’t limit what we CAN think about–they only determine what we HAVE to think about. Some Australian aboriginal languages lack prepositions of the sort we use, so that people have to say something is north or south of a house, for example, rather than behind or in front of it. Speakers of such a language have to be more aware than we are of compass directions in order to talk about location, but it doesn’t stop them seeing all the same positional relationships between objects that we see.

        Similarly, a gender neutral pronoun wouldn’t change the fact that women bear young and it wouldn’t keep men from trying to gain control of our reproductive and other labor. I’ve long ago made peace with the realization that there are no simple solutions, so we’ll simply have to keep fighting.

        (Thank you to GM and the other women who post here for making me feel less alone in that fight and more of a happy warrior!)

      • nonny Says:

        People already think of “male” as the default. Talk about accomplishments without gendered language, and they’ll assume those accomplishments are a man’s. This includes young women who hear about these accomplishments.
        This may be a totally necessary strategy in some cases (JK Rowling et al come to mind) but I see it as a case-by-case issue for survival/career reasons. In some cases or on a wide-scale, though, it smacks of further erasure of female achievement.

    • k.jane Says:

      Seriously. I have to wonder how easy these flakey people’s lives must be if their main concern is people not using or remembering their new made up pronoun. Do they not have adult responsibilities like bills and work? Because that’s the main things I worry about.

      I also have to wonder how they react to other languages. English is really not all the gendered. In Spanish, most of the nouns, like computers, for example, are gendered and you have to use different verbs for that. Also, there’s Japanese where the first person pronoun “I” varies on whether you are female or male.

      @Oak and Ash

      I’m tempted to use those pronouns too. But I know some people would take it seriously because ~feelings~ totally equals objective reality.


  14. “Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two makes four. If that is granted, all else follows”?

    “Political language — and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists — is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.” Orwell…

    Language matters, and it shapes how we view ourselves and the world. Orwell understood this, and so do politicians and tyrants of every stripe. I swear that every time I hear another idiotic pronoun I actually feel like I’m in Orwell’s 1984. Change how people think by changing the language.

    I will never bow to the pronoun insanity. Ever. I consider the words “woman”, “she”, and “her” as honorific titles. It is a form of colonization and co-option when males refer to themselves as women, or “she”. It will be a cold day in hell when I let the transgender pronoun police force me to call a male “she”. It’s not going to happen. As to ze, hir, they as in singular, genderless pronouns, etc. it’s nonsense. Maybe they have to keep butchering the English language and inventing new pronouns because gender and gender identity are nonsense. There is no such thing as gender, and it’s all culturally based. Just get rid of gender. It’s like, “Oh, I feel such and such today, so it means that I’m this particular pronoun”. Pick one out of the ever growing list of 50 or so pronouns.

    As to genderless pronouns, the female sex really exists. The female sex is a material reality. Females are “she” or “her”. Every time we use “she” to refer to males, or use “ze”, “they” in singular we are caving to political pressure, and we are losing a part of ourselves.

    Resist.

    “This invasion of one’s mind by ready-made phrases (lay the foundations, achieve a radical transformation) can only be prevented if one is constantly on guard against them, and every such phrase anaesthetizes a portion of one’s brain.” Orwell


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