Gay Pride flag removed from high school at transgender student’s request

March 8, 2017

Raising of the Pride Flag

Kennebunk, Maine- Days after the Kennebunk High School became the first in the state to fly the Gay Pride flag, it has been removed on request of a transgender student who apparently believes that Gay Pride and the visibility of lesbian and gay students run contrary to the well-being of transgender persons.

School administration sided with the anti-gay transgender student. According to news reports, the transgender student felt that pride and visible support for lesbian and gay students might inadvertently draw attention to transgender students who are ashamed of being transgender and desire to distance themselves from the Pride movement.

Headline from LGBTQNation.com

This is not the first time transgender activists have sought to remove gay pride flags from schools. Last year the University of British Columbia’s Gay Pride flag was burned on the flagpole by a trans student who feared increased public awareness and acceptance of lesbians and gays might result in transgender people being associated with homosexuals. Hate crime charges against the arsonist were dismissed by law enforcement, who seemed confused by the whole thing.

Transgender is an anti-gay, anti-lesbian, homophobic and sexist movement. Their aims are to roll back the visibility and pride of homosexuals and undo the scant gains made for women in the female equality movement. The Kennebunk High School administration is perfectly clear: Gay Pride should go back in the closet.

Gay Pride Yayyyy!

 

 

 

 

97 Responses to “Gay Pride flag removed from high school at transgender student’s request”

  1. radical redhead Says:

    How the repressed become hypocritical bigots.

  2. southwest88 Says:

    “Hate crime charges against the arsonist were dismissed by law enforcement that seemed confused by the whole thing.”

    Why do I feel that “law enforcement that seemed confused by the whole thing” is a phrase that is going to be used a lot in the next few years? Cops are already confused by T vs LG flag burning. What is going to happen when men are allowed into women’s spaces unchallenged and there are more “she said/heshe said” assault crimes that are going to require police involvement?

    • terf4life Says:

      the way they are handling things, undoubtedly it will be ‘she said/she said’ crimes.

      i swear, just when things can’t get more bat shit crazy here comes this. but maybe it’s a good thing to see the LGB’s get serious about dropping the T.

  3. LC Says:

    I’m often confused by some of these crimes, too, and moreso by the responses to them. If Christian groups demanded the flag be removed or burned the flag in the other case, it would be called intolerance, and rightly so. The same demand comes from someone who says they’re trans, and it’s fine. Two belief systems, only one of them is upheld. If a man(who identified as a man) exposed himself to teen girls, he would be charged with sexual assault. He calls himself trans, and the teens complaints are rewritten as hate speech and bigotry.

    Much as I’ve seen these stories and seen theoretically sane people argue for why the same action is either protected by law or criminal, depending on the beliefs of the perpetrator… and I still don’t get it. How are people this stupid, this easy to manipulate?

    • hearthrising Says:

      Well, you see, it’s about oppression. Trans are the mostest oppressedest (they told us so!), so they get to order everyone else around based on their feelings and everybody has to obey. Because that’s how oppression works.

      • radical redhead Says:

        Gender and sexuality are not the same thing, but to complain about the rainbow flag (which now includes heterosexuality) is to disparage the LGBT+ struggle. It infers shame and embarrassment.

        To complain about the LGBT ethos (which has previously fought long and hard for trans equality) is to become a parasitic, hypocritical bigot.

        I’m trans and I have no problem with the rainbow flag? How can I possibly comment on other people’s lives when I don’t want to be judged myself.

        If you don’t want to be judged – then don’t judge others. Let the rainbow flag fly.

    • freenampeyo Says:

      The problem isn’t that the people are stupid, it is that they are in many cases smart. Why does the ACLU choose to support sexual harassment and abuse of girls by a penis person calling himself a girl in the girl’s locker room? It is because if they were to support the girls, the whole trans narrative would start to unravel. I’ve seen this with the parents of trans kids who I know from other contexts to be very smart and intellectually capable. If they have transitioned their own child, they have a lot a stake and don’t want to have made a mistake, so they fanatically repeat all trans talking points so as not to have to think about it at all. If their kid transitioned out of the blue as a young adult, it is the same. They are given the choice of being all in or totally rejected by the child and the whole trans community who will hurl hateful curses at them for any thought infraction.


      • The answer is simple: the ACLU has NEVER cared about women and girls. Remember, it has defended pornographers since at least the 1970s, certainly since they started taking money from people like Hugh Hefner. I wouldn’t give a dime to that woman-hating outfit.

      • Loup-loup garou Says:

        The ACLU clipboard fundraisers have descended on my neighborhood again like an annual plague of locusts. “Hey, do you have a minute? Those civil rights won’t defend themselves!” They look so puzzled when I say, “No thanks.”

  4. Transfatiqued Says:

    It boggles my mind that one teenager is allowed to dictate school policy.

    • michelle Says:

      Sadly, in this day and age, administrators are probably thinking of their budget and the massive legal expenses that are associated with defense of litigation filed by the trans brigade. After all, no matter HOW stupid and inane their position is that gets pled, it STILL has to be responded to, along with the costs of the appeal that is bound to follow after the poor butthurt tranny loses at the District Court (or whatever the lowest civil court in the jurisdiction might be).

      Litigation ain’t cheap…and school districts tend not to have the available cash that tranny groups seem to have laying around.

  5. hearthrising Says:

    So gay students can’t have recognition and acceptance, because, ya know, trans feelings rule over everyone. Coming out loud and proud has been pivotal to the gay rights movement, but low visibility is the goal of the trans movement. Remind me again why the T is part of the LGB? This removal of the gay flag is like the incident in Portland, Oregon, where the lesbian social event at a bar was cancelled due to trans objections that the labrys on the event poster was a symbol of anti-trans hatred.

  6. Lynn Says:

    I’ve never understood why “we” include the T in LGBTQ? Sexual orientation and gender identity are two different things.

    • Widdershins Says:

      Never made any sense to me either.


    • I’m not defending this idiot, or any of the other homophobic stuff transactivists do, but I’m pretty sure T is included with LGB because transphobia evolved out of homophobia. I’m not talking about the fake “transphobia” accusations used to label women who want our own public bathrooms, I mean the bit where het men get really angry at the idea of a man dressing as a woman and possibly fooling them into attraction towards said man. Old old problem.

      • FX Katt Says:

        Well, manipulating anyone at that personal level does elicit a valid anger.

        The terms homophobia is, to me, a pretty sweeping term that has little to do with reality. Male oppression of gays is not a psychological illness or failing, it is a political action delivered from a position of superior power. In fact, gay status is just a subset of women’s status under male supremacy, and thus gays who are males themselves, get a small share of what their straight brothers deal out to women.

        The trans movement has nothing to do with gay. It is deeply and promoted by medical and psychol. institutions; and has its goal to colonize women’s spaces, culture, and identity. So, there should be no LGBT (+) organization, but rather either a LGB coalition or a GB coalition, with Lesbians apart, and on their own.

      • Margie Says:

        LGB identity isn’t based on what some unnamed homophobes might be thinking at any given moment. If there are some homophobes somewhere who confuse gay and trans, then gay people correct them. “LGBT” doesn’t correct them. It takes those erroneous views, enshrines them for eternity and tries to force LGB people to form an identity around them. “LGBT” is violence against LGB people at the level of identity itself.

      • MaryMacha Says:

        The transphobia you’re talking about did not evolve out of homophobia, it is essentially the same thing and for the same reason. The T attached itself to the acronym like a parasite does to a host in order to avail itself of a pre-existing infrastructure and a ready-made narrative of oppression and struggle. The appropriation has been wholesale and there’s no end in sight.

  7. Widdershins Says:

    It would’ve far better, (and they would get extra gold stars for being all ‘inclusive’-y) to raise the trans flag if the kid was feeling left out, but no, lets erase the LGB community, yet again.

    • Adrian Says:

      Yeah but if they raise the trans flag, someone might get it into their head to look for trans people or even just have the idea planted that “hey, someone at this school might be trans” and “thus” notice that our trans hero is, in fact, trans.

      They don’t want to be trans, they just want to be “women” (or “men” in the reverse case) and ironically, the increased visibility of all things trans over the past few years has made that harder to do, since most of them (particularly in high school) don’t pass at all.

      So there is a group of people who think that they do pass, if only no one is reminded of transness (and no one sees them possibly exiting a unisex toilet). Plenty of these people insisting that they’ll never use any unisex toilet for this reason lately.

      At the same time I’m reminded of the “Harry Benjamin Syndrome” crowd, the trans males who would insist that they are “women with a medical history” and don’t want anything at all to do with those icky gays and transgenders and homosexuals.

    • ephemeroptera Says:

      I had absolutely no idea there was a trans flag until this comment, and then I googled and realized that I see one on my way into work.

      I also just googled every type of newfangled sexual minority (asexual, nonbinary, polyamory, etc.), and there’s flags for them too (though if you google just “poly”, it’ll kick up polyester flags of Kazakhstan and Liberia).

      How insane is that?!?!?! Think up a label and invent your own flag and then get embraced by the queer alphabet vortex and its attendant commercialism!

      It’s mind-boggling to think that anyone could conceive of these identities as wholly or largely innate. Somehow, they all just happen to arise in theory-soaked countercultural crowds, and they all need their own flags…

      We should have our own “trans questioning” flag, I wonder what that would look like.

      • MerryBeth Says:

        I wish I could figure out how to post a picture on my phone but there is a prideflag for the ‘circumgender’, in case you missed that one. Lol. What this is is basically a “cis” person who identifies as trans. You don’t have to be presenting or out. You are valid. And of course it doesn’t have to make sense. Obviously.

        Anyway, you should see how outrageously mad every single transgender individual I’ve ever seen discussing this gets. Hmmmmm. I’ve had so many trans individuals make the exact arguments generally made against them by women, when talking about people with circumgender identities. They say things like ‘you can’t possibly know what it’s like to be trans’ and ‘you can’t appropriate MY experience’ etc. They literally have said to me that ‘trans isn’t a feeling’…. it’s a condition in an experience. It’s wild. I’m not sure if someone made the flag and identity as a joke or to be serious because I can’t make sense out of a lot of the insanity these days but I’m really glad that they did.

      • Loup-loup garou Says:

        It started with the so-called “leather” (i.e. sadomasochism) pride flag. In the 90s and early 2000s, it seemed to follow the rainbow flag everywhere the same way the word “cancer” often follows “lung.” A few groups felt left out, so flags proliferated. The next one to appear was the “bear” flag representing hirsute gay men; it had with multiple shades of brown and a pawprint. (For all I know, that banner yet waves in places like Guerneville, CA.) There’s also an ironic “vanilla pride” flag now. In the current climate, that may be the only one that makes a truly radical statement.

      • kesher Says:

        “I’m not sure if someone made the flag and identity as a joke or to be serious”

        I wouldn’t be surprised if the circumgender flag was made as a joke, but the origin of the circumgender “identity” was very earnest as far as I know. It originated with a teen girl on Tumblr who felt bad about being left out of trendy trans identities. Of course she was attacked for it, and I’m pretty sure she deleted her blog in the aftermath.

      • ephemeroptera Says:

        Many of these groups that are most thought of with U.S. sexual diversity share similar cultural characteristics:

        – flags.
        – inventing words.
        – the idea of self-creation and self-fulfillment.
        – instant expertise where you claim an identity then start writing about it.
        – California ties.
        – they bleed into one another (e.g. fetish and poly).

        When you look for comparison’s sake to something like Sister Wives and its polygamy, you start to realize how so very alike so many of these “diverse” groups really are.

      • rheapdx1 Says:

        The scary part of the self-appointed experts and the press they get is….they lack, in full the background or an actual practice, to base their findings on.

        Which is the curse of the self-publishing, instant expert culture. All one needs to do is claim the t status, base their findings on a group sample, the size of a crowd of students eager to get a vaccination…and BOOM, one has a legitimate study. Then rally the scientifically and socially ignorant….and one has contributed to the movement.

        One has to hope that better media exposure…even from the far right about the flag, the censorship by the allies, along with the long long list of other acts of stupidity, will stop the sludge. If not….well, think of a country which would be right out of ‘Idiocracy’ on the horizon. This being the gender edition.

      • Leo Says:

        Why lump us asexual people in with poly? There’s no way the latter is innate but the former could be, for whatever reason. It’s not just a lifestyle thing like poly, nor is it newfangled. There’s examples of people in history who might have been ace, Kinsey ‘X’s seem to be 1% of the population, there was a study of rams that found about 2-3% were healthy but had no interest in mating.

        I’d hardly say we’re embraced by the LGBT, the A gets totally left off most of the time, not even a + added.

        Replacing the symobol for the sexes on the trans flag with a question mark might do as a trans questioning flag – leaving the pink and blue kind of makes clear they’re all about gender stereotypes…

      • raksha38 Says:

        @Loup-loup garou There’s a vanilla pride flag? That’s hilarious! I’m totally putting that as my tumblr icon now!


  8. I’m not seeing the following information in the news report you linked to.
    “the transgender student felt that pride and visible support for lesbian and gay students might inadvertently draw attention to transgender students who are ashamed of being transgender and desire to distance themselves from the Pride movement.”
    All it actually says is “The gay pride flag at Kennebunk High School has been removed after a transgender student said they did not want to attract media attention.” Are there more news articles with more information? Thanks.

  9. rheapdx1 Says:

    WHAT THE FUCK?????

    This is another example…among others, the long long list of others…as to why dropping the t needs to be done. If only due to the fact that the spoiled little, entitled, self important punks have learned from their elders, how to complain, whine and game the system, to the detriment of others.

    As has been said by similarly minded posters here……LIBERALS ARE INNN-SANE!

  10. hearthrising Says:

    EqualityMaine has a link to a news site on this story under their original post applauding the flag raising with these words: “An update – the safety of students must always remain the priority!” So lgbt organizations are actually going to endorse this.

    • GallusMag Says:

      WOW. That is incredible.

      • hearthrising Says:

        They took down my Facebook comment calling this homophobic.

      • GallusMag Says:

        What?!? Equality Maine did??

      • hearthrising Says:

        Yes. On EqualityMaine Facebook page. no comments on that thread disagreeing with support for taking the flag down.

      • rheapdx1 Says:

        Again…this is the tyranny of a ‘minority’. Putting ‘minority’ in quotes, due to the odds that Equality Maine is made up mostly of the same type of persons, who currently run other like minded affiliates.

        This is the beginning of the silly season, where the insanity will be an everyday issue. Let alone, revisionist history (like what was done on International Women’s Day…where a twisted form of inclusion was spread online, with regard to those involved in the Stonewall riots. The same twist that has whitewashed history otherwise).

        Yep…this shit is going to keep going on unabated, until the snowflakes are kicked to the curb. And those major entities who are going to bat for this, should learn from this example in Maine. That who they are stepping up for, are some of the most intolerant, divisive persons on the planet, using gender issues to usurp the spaces of others.

    • genderskeptics Says:

      Lmao really? I guess they would applaud cancelling pride because homophobe protesters show up to it.

    • Dogtowner Says:

      Not at all surprised — I live in Maine.

    • Mark F. Says:

      So, the gay flag threatens the safety of cross dressing teenage boys? Um, okay.

  11. Oak and Ash Says:

    Seriously, it seems unlikely the flag would attract much media attention beyond a photograph or two in a slow news cycle.

    And does this strike anyone else as potentially the expression of a personal grudge against members of the GTSA? Maybe one of them wasn’t attracted to the transgender student’s identity, and this was intended as some sort of petty revenge.


  12. LGB are not allowed to drop the T, but LG are also not allowed to be visible, because they think someone might see them and think “I hate trans people.”??????????

    What a subtle admission that they’ve taken over the whole movement.

  13. kaypasser Says:

    maybe im bit pre occupied with Agp due to my peronal background – but none of this makes any sense yet it does make sense.. Agp’ are typical males with pornified ideas about what women are. they are ostensibly heteroexual males, often in marriages or partnerships with straight women when they suddenly declare they are LESBIANS right? but not gay at all. no they are men who are omen who like women and threfore they are lesbins BUT NOT GAY AT ALL OKAY? except the biggest thrill they get is from the Male gaze – they love it. my ex confided in me all he eer reamed of was being made love to as a woma by STRAIGHT man who dint know he wasnt a woman but NOT GAY AT ALL. NO SIREE. JUST A NORMAL WOMAN DONCHA KNOW! they make me sick and dizzy with all the internalised homophobia.. the thing that strikes me hardest is – how cn you claim to be a lesbian when you clealry hate and resent lebians so much?
    fucking arsehole nonce.

  14. Ticker Says:

    So, one person decides for everybody else. One person must be accepted but others may not. If that is not the height of hypocrasy then I don’t know what is, and more fool the stupid university for giving in.

    • Dogtowner Says:

      This is the essence of neoliberalism. There is no commonweal whatsoever — there is only a world of disparate individuals colliding with each other. The interests of women do not exist, the interests of lesbians and gay men do not exist, etc, etc. The entire existence of transgenderism brings this into glaring focus.

      “Transgender is an anti-gay, anti-lesbian, homophobic and sexist movement.” Sums it all up.

  15. radiantlux Says:

    My church put up a Black Lives Mattee banner with the understanding that it might get vandalized. It has been stolen twice but the church is committed. So when the school decided to hoist a rainbow flag less than a week ago, there may got have been some discussion about expected complaints. It has its own flagpole, so some planning was involved. Why did they buckle under? Not wanting media attention is the reason the news reports said. This post reads a lot into it, unless you have more background info. i don’t disagree with your premise but the conclusion isn’t supported.

    • GallusMag Says:

      The news reports that I’ve linked in the post state that the flag was removed on request of a transgender student who felt media attention given to Gay Pride at the school would have a negative impact on them as a transgender individual. I’ve used this media report as a stepping off point to editorialize more broadly about the homophobia of the transgender movement, specifically how homophobic acts are permitted when committed by transgender persons.

  16. gerda Says:

    Is that the “gay” flag or is that the “LGBT” flag? I’m asking in all seriousness, because I actually thought that the rainbow flag WAS the “LGBT” flag, which includes “T”—I googled “LGBT flag” and the rainbow flag comes up.

    So what the hell is this kid complaining about?

    All of the news articles I was able to find on this event state only that the kid’s objection to the flag was that he “did not want to attract media attention.” That sentence, with no other context or info, makes no sense to anyone reading or reporting on this event. So I don’t understand why they won’t just do normal reporting and actually perservere a tiny bit and just ask “no, seriously, WHY did this kid complain?” and, to the school, “WHY did you agree to take this flag down?”

    To me it’s really frustrating that they didn’t do enough reporting to actually write a coherent article that conveys the basic facts of this event to us as readers. WTF. I think this might be a moment where the fear of the wrath of the “T” actually prevented journalists from doing normal reporting.

    • Dogtowner Says:

      First, who has come across anyone calling themselves trans who didn’t want media attention?

      Second, I find your issues with news articles to be common. Every time I read something or hear a story on the radio or television, there are heaps of glaringly obvious unanswered questions. Is this the result of getting a communications degree? Are they taught in school not to ask questions? I don’t think it’s the topic that caused the failure to do serious reporting; I think serious reporting is rarely done by any mainstream media.

    • GallusMag Says:

      “…this might be a moment where the fear of the wrath of the “T” actually prevented journalists from doing normal reporting.”

      It is pretty chilling. ‘I want the gay pride flag censored and any media coverage on my reasons is harmful to me as a trans person’. Yikes.
      I wonder if there will be any media coverage of the alumni meeting scheduled over this today…

      • gerda Says:

        soon they’ll stop reporting on the crimes transgender males commit because “reporting on transgender people’s crimes is harmful to trans people and spreads transphobia.”

        This movement won’t admit it to itself, but it has a major problem with free speech already, so I wouldn’t be surprised if things like this developed out of that logic sooner rather than later.

    • MaryMacha Says:

      The rainbow flag has been around since before the T started riding the movement’s coattails. It’s been inclusively appropriated just like everything else.

  17. fmnst Says:

    Was the student ashamed, or afraid? Did anything in the news indicate being ashamed, please? I read the two and didn’t see that. Just trying to be sure.

  18. Do you like our owl? Says:

    Reason number 454885 to get the T out of LGB!!!
    “pride and visible support for lesbian and gay students might inadvertently draw attention to transgender students who are ashamed of being transgender and desire to distance themselves from the Pride movement.”
    GOOD! “Distance yourselves” and GTFO and do everyone a favour!! Don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!

  19. Badger Says:

    But so many of the MTTs describe themselves as lesbians. Lesbians who, last time I checked, only want to have sexual encounters with women, women who have female biology. So if you are a MTT and insist on having sexual encounters only with lesbians, but you don’t like organisations to fly Pride flags, but you insist on calling yourself a lesbian, but you don’t approve of gay people because they make your stance look bogus, but…. Sorry, I think my head just exploded…


  20. I don’t think the reason why the student was trying to avoid media attention is apparent from the information given.

    • GallusMag Says:

      So it could be unrelated to their transgender status, which could be irrelevant. Hm. Well that is an interesting speculation!Like maybe they are in the witness protection program or something… hmmm

  21. GallusMag Says:

    School Principal:

  22. GallusMag Says:

    Gay Straight Trans Alliance meeting on the issue to be held today.
    All Kennebunk High School Alumni requested to attend:

  23. Janetwo Says:

    Really, the Gay Pride Flag? It seems the trannies want to stomp anything that is joyous, fun, celebratory and life affirming in the LGB movement. Remember when they went after the drag queens? I cant imagine a group more devoid of humor. Must be their raging narcissism acting out .

  24. trish Says:

    This is why trannies have lost all sympathy from me. They act like a bunch of bullies. They assign people like me the name “cis”, but claim that questioning the biology of their claims is identical to violence. They never suggest, request or negotiate, just demand and decry. I’m sick of it.

  25. Hecate Says:

    I have never bought into “LGBTQIA”. It’s ridiculous, not orientation based, and is literally making a mockery of what LGB individuals have fought so hard for. When is the pansexual P added? How about the K kink crowd? Better include F for the Furries! The rainbow flag already simply stands for “ludicrous alphabet” in the minds of John and Jane Q Public. The once upon a time symbol that meant pride and accomplishment now waves as a punchline in a sick maxist social engineering joke.

    • k.jane Says:

      I don’t buy into it either. “Pansexual” is just a special snowflake version of bisexual since there are only two sexes. I do have respect and sympathy for intersex people, but “I” is a medical condition. It doesn’t even represent real intersex people; it’s just there so the special snowflakes can try to make trans/made up genders look legitimate.

      “Sex-reassignment” surgery was one of of the many horrific medical experiments invented to cure homosexuality.Most people claiming “trans” status are heterosexual men with a lesbian fetish who claim to be us and threaten us with rape and death when we say no. How does catering to a bunch of violent, narcissistic heterosexual men help me, a lesbian?

      As for the kinksters, most of them are heterosexual or “bicurious” at most. Nothing to do with being a lesbian. Also, men have gotten away with raping and beating their girlfriends by claiming it was part of a “consensual” BDSM scene. Again, how does loosening domestic violence laws help lesbian, or any other women for that matter? I think sado-masochism is unhealthy and if you can get away with rape and/or domestic violence by citing BDSM, that is not oppression, that is privilege.

      I support lesbians for lesbians because even if it was just LG or LGB you can’t trust male-run organizations to give a shit about women, and since so many “feminist” organizations are all about trans, you can’t always trust women-run organizations either. I wish there was a real lesbian rights organization instead of one that thought that getting publicly-funded SRS for a man who is a serial killer of women should be a priority for lesbians.

  26. lovetruthcourage Says:

    Hopefully LGB orgs will think twice about aligning themselves with the T in the future. They are being cannibalized by the T!

  27. Medi Says:

    Emphemeroptera you are onto something. I find the idea of men thinking they are women, and then demanding access to everything, and brow beating us with their male aggression to accept them as women horrifying. Went to a supposed lesbian event last night, it opened with an ugly as sin male to trans in horrifying make up doing a repulsive dance, ugly, thumping around like a drag queen. Then you had fem “genderqueer’ women writing about loving women and all about supporting gender non-conforming gender queer nonsense, and all it was was women conforming to femininity and allowing men in drag to dominate. So ridiculous, but of course they think they are all diverse edgey and revolutionary. Oh and the literary quality was pretty poor too.


    • That sounds like a group of (insane) straight people.

    • ephemeroptera Says:

      @medi thanks I’ve spent a lot of time talking about this with different people…

      These “diverse” sexual communities also tend to conceive of a transparent self and to think all their categories are innate, that you look inside and discover you’re really trans or agender or poly or whatever.

      Even that somehow seems different from gays and lesbians and coming out, but I can’t quite put my finger on the difference.

      • Dogtowner Says:

        I would guess this: A transparent self is something one creates in one’s head. One’s sexuality is one’s experience of life, and it involves everything: one’s mind, one’s heart, one’s body. It is indivisible from one’s self and is hardly transparent, which sounds a bit like saran wrap.

        See Feminist Current for Julian Vigo’s dissection of Elizabeth West’s pro-trans harangue on Counterpunch. West used the term “pangender” to me to describe a male who is not comfortable with expected male behavior. When you have to make up silly words to describe a phenomenon many females and males experience — discomfort with expected sex roles — you know you’re out in la-la land.

      • Oak and Ash Says:

        “Even that somehow seems different from gays and lesbians and coming out, but I can’t quite put my finger on the difference.”

        @ephemeroptera–Since I’m straight, I’ve only seen the process of coming out as an observer, but you’re right that it looks very different than what the trans crowd is doing. The gay and lesbian people I’ve known who worked to accept themselves and reveal their orientation were much more outwardly focused on their relationships with others than the special identity crowd seems to be. Their struggle started from who they loved and wanted to be with and was a struggle precisely because of its potential effect on other people in their lives who mattered–family, friends, employers, etc. The conflict for those I knew was created by the tension of wanting to be with someone they loved while not alienating other people they cared about or who had power over their lives.

        When I first read the transactivist slogan “Trans isn’t about who you want to go to bed WITH but who you want to go to bed AS,” I thought it sounded really stupid, but now I think it’s simply true in showing that the focus of the transgender movement is entirely narcissistic. It’s all about how people feel about their image–choosing the right label, hair, makeup, and wardrobe to make themselves feel special–and has little to do with creating or maintaining relationships. The young straight snowflakes adopting these identities are looking to bolster their own sense of specialness by joining a movement that presents itself as edgy and authentic, qualities that have always appealed to young adults.

      • ephemeroptera Says:

        @dogtowner @oak and ash thanks very much for your perspectives.

        Based on what you’ve said, I’m now reminded that I’ve seen one kind-of-similar-to-gay trans coming out, back in college in the very early 2000s by someone who I suspect is an autogynephile.

        The announcement was very visceral and made all at once in person and by email, and it was like she couldn’t take being perceived as male anymore.

        Those were pre-Facebook etc. days, so there wasn’t anything like groupthink trans Tumblr culture, to my knowledge.

        Also, of all the stuff that gets lumped under “trans,” AGP is the one thing with strongest claims to innate status, so that’s maybe the one pocket of trans culture where (some) similar coming out experiences can be found, if individuals have very strong dysphoria?

        Just thinking out loud here.

  28. Margie Says:

    Consider: Why would the trans student have any standing to object tot he gay pride flag as opposed to every other diversity event at the school? The trans student could also claim that Black History Month distracts from trans visibility or that presentations on Native-American tribes in Maine is a distraction from trans issues. No one would take those objections seriously. But when this same student complains about the gay pride flag, it is taken seriously and the school can’t act quickly enough. Why the difference? Because “LGBT” asserts that LGBs have some sort of special obligation to trans activists, different from everyone else in the world. There can be no advancement by gay people, no celebration of gay identity, no recognition of gay pride – unless trans activists permit it. “LGBT” is objectively anti-gay, a tool of oppression deployed against LGB people.

    • kesher Says:

      While I agree with you that the T is extremely homophobic and makes absurd demands of the LGB, I don’t agree that it’s just LGB issues that can be crushed under the heel of a size 13 stiletto. Women’s issues always take a backseat to the T, and honestly it wouldn’t surprise me if the T manages to usurp every issue involving anyone who’s not a white, straight, “cis” man. The trans are the uber oppressed, despite not actually being oppressed, and everyone who doesn’t have the social power to tell them to fuck off is fair game to the trans juggernaut.

  29. Margie Says:

    BTW, I wanted to note this story for those interested. Two women evicted from a women’s homeless shelter to keep it safe for a man:
    http://globalnews.ca/news/3300518/concerns-over-transgender-client-at-okanagan-shelter/

    • rheapdx1 Says:

      Damn….

      By the way (and @GallusMag can point you to the post from here about same) with all that has been stated about how unsafe the shelters are in general and a need for safe spaces, HTF can the folks operating this shelter do this? And do they know that, with very very few exceptions…the criminal t class would be let in???

      DAMN DAMN DAMN

      • Margie Says:

        “HTF can the folks operating this shelter do this?”

        Once “gender identity” is included in the anti-discrimination law – with no limits, exceptions or even any criteria by which anyone might be screened – the shelter is powerless. The folks running the shelter wash their hands and say, “We must comply with the law.”

        The only way to give the shelter the power to say “no” to this is to get “gender identity” out of the anti-discrimination law, or to put in exceptions to the law. And the only way that will ever happen on a broad scale is if trans activists are involuntarily decoupled from LGB people, from whom they draw their political strength to be included in the anti-discrimination laws in the first place.

      • rheapdx1 Says:

        Agreed….and if there is no decoupling…the shelters, schools….anyplace where the protections are needed will be on the endangered species list.

        This needs to be said, with all the data from this site and others as backup.

      • Janetwo Says:

        People are in shock this is happening. If I had not stumble upon Gendertrender a few ago, I would not understand any of it. Its so insane. Is there any LGB organisation left that is decoupled from the T in Canada? Or even women organisations? The changes in the laws have happened so fast and without any public consultations. I never witnessed a social change happening in such a devious way, almost like a silent coup. Be it gay rights, women rights, cannabis legalization, there were always very lengthy social debates. This does not look like any civil rights or worker rights movements ever seen in history where people had to fight very hard and very publicly. It looks totally manufactured.

      • kesher Says:

        “the shelter is powerless”

        I don’t agree that the shelter is powerless. I don’t buy that they’re required by law to force a woman to share a room with an M2T, like they did to the one woman who complained. They were wholly unsympathetic to her in a way that can only be explained by deference to the fiction that M2Ts are women.

    • Just a Melissa Says:

      Margie, I came here for the same reason.

      One of the two women ejected was fleeing an abusive relationship. OF COURSE she feared to share her bedroom with a strange man, dress or no dress.

      The comments are encouraging, though. There are two men in dresses attacking everybody, but the majority of the rest are in favor of sanity.

    • againstvaw Says:

      There have already been 2 women raped in a shelter in Canada by TW Christopher Hambrook. It turned out that he had previous convictions for rape. And they persevere with this anti-woman policy.

  30. jerry blair Says:

    WHERE IS THE STRAIGHT FLAG ???? STRAIGHT AND PROUD OF IT !!!!

  31. 57aps Says:

    This shows why LGBT should drop the T. The trans philosophy runs counter to the gay pride philosophy. Gays encourage their people to be proud of who they are, but trans people are exactly the opposite, at least in some cases. Sometimes, a trans woman is really just a gay man who can’t deal with it. The gay community should encourage these people to be comfortable with being gay, rather than damaging their bodies to try to hide it. If these people could accept themselves, they would not feel the need to transition. But that is at odds with the trans agenda, which is just to increase the trans population.- aps

  32. Janetwo Says:

    More and more it seems to me the whole transgender ideology is about making everybody invisible , gays, women, people of color…everybody but a few fetishist males. This stroke me not only in relation to the Gay Flag incident in Kennebunk, but as well with the whole transgender murders exploitation. Last years more than 700 people, mostly black males where killed just in Chicago. The only thing the transcult is talking about is 7 murdered transgendered, mostly black. Why no link between poverty, crimes and the murder of black men? I cant wait we stop fighting against boutique activism which threatens all women rights and we go back at discussing fighting poverty, access to education, environnement, sexual violence and racism. The public discourse has been highjacked by a rabid minority of affluent crossdressing fetichists a la Serano and Wochawski brothers. I guess I just want to go back discussing stuff that affects millions of people, but I cant as long as the sisterhood is under attack. Women cant focus on anything else when their basic safety and identity is under attack.

  33. Cai Says:

    As a post-op transsexed man, I hate transgenders forcing their politics on transsexuals such as myself. We just want to heal our bodies and move on a different live as workaday men and women. We are usually big supporters of LGBs ourselves and think they cross-dressing queens are ruining things for everyone.

    • GallusMag Says:

      Cross dressing queens are gay men and part of the LGB. Therefore you think gay men are ruining things for everyone. That makes you a giant homophobe.

      • Cai Says:

        Cross-dressing “transgenders” ruin it for transsexuals and transsexed folk like me, claiming they’re “trans” but wanting all these special privileges or exemptions but then crying fowl when people like me do the work, update our papers, and can use the proper bathroom or play on the right sports teams. They’re just men in dresses who ruin it for both transsexuals and gay men.

  34. GallusMag Says:

    Sun Sentinel, FL, USA

    Transgender flag controversy flaps in Wilton Manors

    Brittany Wallman

    March 27, 2017, 3:35 PM

    [Video: A suggestion that Wilton Manors hang the transgender pride flag has the city aflap in controversy.]

    A suggestion that Wilton Manors hang the transgender pride flag has the city aflap in controversy.

    The gay-friendly city already has the Gay-Lesbian-Bisexual-Transgender rainbow flag hanging in Jaycee Park in Wilton Manors. But some advocates said transgender people don’t necessarily feel they fit under the “rainbow” spectrum.

    “Many trans people identify as straight and wish not to be included under the Rainbow Flag because of being straight,” transgender flag creator Monica Helms wrote in a letter to the city earlier this month. She asked them to fly the flag, at least on three upcoming transgender remembrance days.

    She wrote that flying the transgender flag in Wilton Manors would “show that the city is aware of the large diversity of the Trans Community and supports them.”

    But at a recent City Commission meeting, Wilton Manors officials debated the issue and couldn’t decide what to do. The debate is back on the agenda Tuesday night.

    Commissioners also are scheduled to vote on changes to plans for the 179-unit Metropolitan residential development planned for 1224 Northeast 24th Street. It was approved in 2014, with the condition that utility lines on Northeast 24th Street and Northeast 13th Avenue be buried. The developer, Ascend Wilton Twenty Fourth Street LLC, wants permission to leave the power lines above ground.

    The meeting is held at Wilton Manors City Hall, 2020 Wilton Drive, at 7 p.m. Tuesday.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/broward-politics-blog/sfl-transgender-flag-controversy-flaps-in-wilton-manors-20170327-story.html

    • Branjor Says:

      “Many trans people identify as straight and wish not to be included under the Rainbow Flag because of being straight,”

      So the lesbians and gays have cooties now, huh? Now that they’ve parasitized and drained our political power and apparatuses for their own ends. God forbid they, fine upstanding “superior” straight people, should share a flag with faggots and dykes. Reminds me of the straight feminists back in the day who were so anxious to disabuse anyone of the suspicion that they might be -gasp!- lesbians.
      Anyway, if this is how they feel, why all the objections to calls to remove the T from LGBT? They can jettison us but we can’t jettison them?

    • Branjor Says:

      Of course, it’s doubly Orwellian as the “straight” trans are really gay/lesbian and it’s the “lesbian/gay” trans who are really straight, except not in the weird world of their “identification”, where it is all reversed. What a mess they have made out of language, reason, logic, critical thinking skills, respect, human relations, etc. etc. etc.

      • GallusMag Says:

        Yes, transgender people in same-sex relationships consider themselves “straight”. They consider transgenderism to be a ‘corrective’ form of therapy that converts homosexuals to an acceptable socially heteronormative role.


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