Australian Football League Disqualifies Male Candidate From Women’s League Draft

October 19, 2017

Hannah Mouncey

The regulatory body of the AFL has ruled to block male athlete Hannah Mouncey from competing against women in the first annual draft of the newly formed professional Women’s League.

Hannah, formerly Callum Mouncey, 27, previously competed on the Australian Handball team until 2015, when he came out publicly as transgender.

Callum Mouncey, Handball Player

Transgender people strongly identify with sex stereotypes, generally those enforced on the opposite sex, which they believe constitute a core aspect of their personalities.  In Callum’s case, this meant adopting a traditionally female name (Hannah), growing his hair to a more stereotypical female length, and taking an off-label cocktail of testosterone blockers combined with high dose estrogen in an attempt to achieve a male version of female secondary sex characteristics (breast growth, softer skin, etc.)

Hannah announced his intention to transfer to the women’s handball team, which he believed should admit him in deference to his strongly held identification with female sex stereotypes.

He’s a LayDee…

 

Callum wasn’t alone in his gender beliefs. Most people support a tradition of sex-stereotypical behaviors (Pink is for girls, Blue is for boys). And he was part of a popular burgeoning social trend: The Transgender Movement, which asserts that sex-stereotypical categories (femininity, masculinity) must be maintained by the premise that non-conformers are actually, in some way, reproductively different.

Fueled by social role anxieties wrought by the Feminist and Gay Rights movements -which either intentionally (the former) or not (the latter) destabilized traditional power relations between the sexes, the transgender ideal developed as a safety valve to prevent a potential wide-scale sex-role implosion and was implemented with every bit of fervor as the traditions themselves. Gender has never been more popular.

Before Hannah could follow through on his plan to compete against women on the handball team, something unusual happened: The Australian Women’s Football League.

Australian Football is not, as has been widely misreported, a form of soccer. It is a full contact, full body, tackle sport played with an oval ball similar to an American football. The ball is bounced, kicked and carried, and features repeated “toss ups” where the biggest, tallest players (called “Ruckers”) engage in one-on-one combat for control of the ball.

Australian Football is not soccer (and this is not a picture of Mouncey).

 

Australian Football (called “Footy”) is also unique in that it is wildly popular among both men and women, far more than soccer or any other sport. Fully half of the audience is female. Historians have found records dating as far back as 1876 of women and girls calling for a female football league, and local amateur women’s teams exist in many localities and are quite popular among both men and women. In 2013 the Australian Football League announced that a professional women’s division would be established in 2020, but the idea was so popular they launched it earlier than planned in 2017.

Callum Mouncey, now “Hannah”, saw the potential at succeeding in Footy that he never qualified for as a man among men. By competing against women, he could rise to the top echelon of elite Footy players in the most popular sport in Australia. He abandoned his plans to apply for the female handball team and joined a regional minor league women’s team in Canberra, announcing his intention to prepare for the first major league women’s draft. Unsurprisingly, at six-foot-two and 220 pounds of male musculature, Hannah displaced a female athlete, and under direction of the team’s male coach played as the team “Rucker”.

 

“I know I’m different and not necessarily in a good way or bad way, but I know I am going to be seen differently,” Mouncey said in an interview leading up to the draft.

“People have said ‘With how big you are you’ll probably hold back a bit so you don’t hurt anyone’ and I’m like ‘Well no, I’m not going to hold back, that defeats the whole purpose’.

“I had my ribs broken in my last game so I know they can hit me as hard as I can hit them and do damage. It is different and I know it is seen differently but I won’t approach it any differently.”

 

Like many sports body regulators worldwide, the AFL adopted the International Olympic Committee’s guidelines for transgender male athletes who wish to compete against women based on their identification with women. Technically the IOC guidelines also apply to female athletes who identify with and wish to compete against males, but unlike the many male “transwomen” competing in elite female sport: no female athlete who identifies as transgender- even those who take testosterone injections- has yet been competitive amongst males in any high school, college, regional, national, or elite competition.

Accordingly, the IOC guidelines allow women to compete against males without restriction, regardless of testosterone or other doping measures, as long as they assert a strongly held identification with biologically male persons by the transgender ideal.

Male athletes, on the other hand, are required to subscribe to the transgender ideal but also provide proof that their testosterone levels fall in the low typical male range (10 nmol/l) for the duration of one year. (Normal testosterone levels for males are 10- 35 nmol/l. For females only 0.35- 2 nmol/l.)

The IOC adopted these guidelines arbitrarily, based on their political desire to support the transgender ideal. There is no science suggesting that decreased testosterone levels (or psychological identification!) in males creates parity among the sexes in athletic competition. Rather, males who identify as transgender, although a tiny minority, have exceeded in women’s sport, even at advanced ages: Women’s Golf Champion Lana Lawless, Women’s Fell Running Champion Lauren Jeska, Women’s Cycling Champion Kristen Worley, etc.

Commentary by Mianne Bagger, a man who competed on the women’s golf circuit.

 

The IOC policy was largely informed by a Portland radiology technician named Joanna Harper (who is himself a male who competes against females as a distance runner) and a 2004 study of sixteen non-athlete males undergoing cross-sex transgender hormone treatment conducted by Dr. Louis Gooren, who implemented the treatments being studied. Gooran’s study was never replicated, but found that this tiny cohort after one year showed a decrease in red blood cells close to female levels, and also a decrease in male muscle mass, but one that did not drop to female levels. No further changes were noted after three years.

The study concluded:

“The question of whether reassigned M-F can fairly compete with women depends on what degree of arbitrariness one wishes to accept, keeping in mind, for instance, that similar blood testosterone levels in men have profoundly different biologic effects on muscle properties, rendering competition in sports intrinsically a matter of how nature endows individuals for this competition.”

Harper’s study [PDF] was conducted over seven years and involved a mere 8 subjects, all males who competed against women after testosterone blocking. Three of the runners were national champions against women, and two were highly placed but described as “sub elite”. The study compared race times before and after hormone treatment. The race times were self-selected and self-reported. The majority were unable to be confirmed. Two of the subjects were entirely anonymous internet respondents who refused to verify their status as real people, even when their privacy and anonymity was assured. Two of the subjects showed a reduction of race times in one instance that rendered their performance comparable to female competitors in that race. One subject vastly improved his race time over his time in the male category when he competed against women. The rest fell somewhere in the middle, but for different reasons.

Male subjects whose race time dropped seemed to have other issues:

After transition, runner four began to experience a significant number of injuries which prevented [him] from training as rigorously as [he] previously had. It is not surprising that [his] results got worse as time went on. Runner five experienced both weight gain and a loss of motivation in the years after [his] transition. In fact [his] motivation declined to the point that [he] gave up racing not long after the submission of [his] results.

On the other hand, runner seven blossomed as a runner after transition. Eventually, [he] doubled [his] weekly training distance. [He] also lost approximately 10 kg of body mass after [he] started to train harder. It is not surprising that [his] times and age grade scores showed a subsequent improvement.”

These two tiny unrepeated studies/anonymous internet surveys of less than 25 subjects in total provide no verifiable science whatsoever, but comprise the sole and only data reviewed by the IOC before adopting a male inclusion policy in female athletics that was clearly based on the prioritization of the feelings of a minute number of males over the rights of the entire female population to compete against other women on a level playing field.

 Above all else, women’s sports should exist to help men achieve their dreams. The female athlete that loses her spot to a male? Disposable. Welcoming men who non-conform to sex stereotypes of masculinity into male sports? Of course not. That is women’s work.

 Mark Robinson of the Herald Sun described Hannah Mouncey as a “lost soul” whom women’s sports had disgracefully failed to save, which is the mission of women’s sport:

 The AFL pats itself on the back in its promotion of inclusion and diversity and love, but sadly for Mouncey she doesn’t qualify under those parameters.

Inclusion it seems is not for everyone and frankly that is a disgrace.

It is a confusing and sad situation because Mouncey has basic human rights.

You have to feel for her.

She doesn’t want to be the face for transgender people. All she wants to do is play footy.

Colleague Alistair Paton tweeted: “Can’t imagine how tough it would be to not fit neatly into society’s idea of what gender should be. We shouldn’t make it harder.”

Can’t disagree.

Mouncey is currently a lost soul and the AFL hasn’t helped her, preferring to protect its competition instead.”

[bolding by me-GM]

Callum/Hannah Mounsy echoed this lost soul/redemption perspective in a tv interview ahead of the draft. The priority of women’s sports, the responsibility of women’s athletic leagues, is supporting males who subscribe to the transgender ideal.

“Sport really has to play a role in being accepting and supporting people through a transition because sport is unique in that it is, you know, especially men’s sport, a very masculine environment. It can be quite intimidating. And I was quite intimidated just coming out. Not intimidated… but just had no idea- I was really worried about how people would take it. But, uh, you know- they were fantastic. So I think sport really has a role to play in obviously providing support to its members and realizing just how much of an impact it can have, that each sporting organization can have , because it really can in many ways make their transition a success or a failure. Socially. And that’s a huge responsibility to have, and I think sports in general -they probably don’t know that’s a responsibility that they have, and the impact that they can have. I think the impact is the big thing. I think the responsibility to its members- I’m talking about all sports here- but it doesn’t quite understand the impact it can have on a person’s life who is transitioning. For me it was incredibly positive and had such a huge positive impact that I’ll be forever grateful for everyone involved in the sport, but it can have the exact same effect the other way. Which would be devastating.”

 What would be devastating for women and girls is having their league undermined after over 150 years in the making, so that women can be battered by men in order to preserve the idea that men who want to be pretty and wear little black dresses are not actually male.

What would be devastating for women and girls is to have a society so utterly disregard them that they can’t even be centered in their own league after 150 years because some dudes have gender feels.

The AFL ended up overriding the scant, unsubstantiated IOC guidelines, for now, instead relying on existing Victorian Equality Opportunity and Human Rights Guidelines which allow for women to have their own sports on the basis of defense against unfair competition.

Footy for women, will not at this time, feature a male athlete battering women athletes who exist in the minds of many, to serve him.

BOOM!

34 Responses to “Australian Football League Disqualifies Male Candidate From Women’s League Draft”


  1. ” Above all else, women’s sports should exist to help men achieve their dreams. The female athlete that loses her spot to a male? Disposable. Welcoming men who non-conform to sex stereotypes of masculinity into male sports? Of course not. That is women’s work.” Spot on.

  2. Liz Says:

    Wow, this is amazing! I casually followed the controversy over Olympic athletes and IOC guidelines for years, but I have never found this level of detail about the “evidence” it was based on! Great reporting.

  3. GallusMag Says:

    Statement from crazy-ass Kristen Worley, former male Canadian National Women’s Champion cyclist.

    Worley advocates for all men to have the right to compete against women without taking any hormones or testosterone suppressant based solely on their self-reported sex-role identification.

    He successfully challenged the IOC guidelines in Canada on this basis.

    More about Worley:

    His challenge to IOC Guidelines:

    http://www.cbc.ca/m/sports/olympics/generic/kristen-worley-canadian-cyclist-faces-ioc-challenge-in-gender-verification-suit-1.3377266

    https://nowtoronto.com/news/gender-trendsetter-toronto-cyclist-kristen-worley-is-changin/

    His history:

    https://www.campuspride.org/resources/im-a-woman-on-the-move-transwoman-athlete-perspective/


  4. “Australian Football is not, as has been widely misreported, a form of soccer. It is a full contact, full body, tackle sport played with an oval ball similar to an American football.”

    “Unsurprisingly, at six-foot-two and 220 pounds of male musculature, Hannah displaced a female athlete, and under direction of the team’s male coach played as the team “Rucker.”

    This is a very rugged sport, and he would have hurt a female. And, he wouldn’t have cared if he seriously injured a female player. He could have broken ribs and bones. Just look at him. They don’t care if they batter women.

    Finally, some people with common sense. Women should thank the officials who made this rule because they saved some woman from being injured, possibly seriously injured.

  5. Oak and Ash Says:

    The justification for transwomen taking over women’s spaces always boils down to the typcial male “Because I said so.” A few weeks ago, I read an essay by a woman who wrote that the major bar to women’s equality was that, even when men profess to believe in equal pay, etc., they don’t want to give up being centered. She wasn’t even talking about the trans trend, but it applies.

    Amid Worley’s claptrap, the comment “There will always be winners and losers” stands out. It’s what privileged groups tend to say when people challenge their privilege. “Someone has to win. Why does it matter if most of the winners are male/white/rich/ . . .? Also, supposedly Worley needs more synthetic testosterone than allowed to “be healthy”–but from what transactivists say, I thought transwomen’s brains and bodies are “meant to” have a more female hormonal balance, which proves they ARE women? Following the contradictions in their arguments gets very confusing–you’d almost think they were making it up as they went along!

    In transworld, adult sports competitions will become like kabuki theater in which men and women competitors are actually all male with different hair, makeup, and wardrobe. (After writing this, it struck me that some people might actually be using kabuki as evidence of transgenderism in Japan. I googled. They are.)

  6. Cerulean blue Says:

    If you Google, “Mouncey broke leg” the first search returns you get will mention that a female player suffered a broken leg as a result of an interaction with Mouncey. However, if you click on these links, you’ll see the stories have been scrubbed of this information, as to a publisher the trans propaganda machine has had its way, the way males do. “But she’s a laydee!” Insert Little Britain screenshot here 🙂

    • GallusMag Says:

      Wow that is interesting!

      Looks like the source for all the now-deleted broken leg references was an article written by Herald Sun AFL reporter Jon Ralph titled “Transgender footballer Hannah Mouncey waits on AFLW draft ruling” and published 6 days ago. The article ran on FoxNews, HeraldSun, AdelaideNow, among other places and it has now been deleted. You get a 404 at the link on Fox, ( https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/transgender-footballer-hannah-mouncey-waits-on-aflw-draft-call/news-story/123a463e71aa3c4b9bbd634724ce8f75 ) the others have been replaced with story updates.

      Here is the text of the deleted article which I pulled off a google cache of a secondary source (news aggregator PressNewsReporter):

      “TRANSGENDER footballer Hannah Mouncey could be denied a historic berth in the AFLW competition by an AFL ruling on her eligibility.
      A former national representative in the men’s and women’s handball aide, Mouncey is expected to be picked up in next Wednesday’s draft.

      She is well under the IOC regulations for testosterone levels and has just finished an outstanding initial season playing for Ainslie in the Canberra league.

      The Herald Sun revealed last month 190cm, 100kg Mouncey, 27, would nominate for the draft after already trying out for a rookie spot with Melbourne.

      Mouncey and her manager Tim Hazell had been told the AFL had already ticked off her eligibility.

      But the AFL said they were yet to make a decision on her eligibility.

      “We haven’t made a decision yet. She has nominated for the draft and we have to make a decision,’’ AFL spokesman Patrick Keane said.

      Hannah Mouncey will nominate for the AFLW draft. Picture: Ray StrangeSource: News Corp Australia
      It is understood she met with the AFL on Wednesday where her eligibility and history was discussed.

      The AFL uses a panel of medical and legal experts to adjudicate on cases, with former football operations manager Simon Lethlean saying mid-year the AFL was “keen to be as inclusive as we can be”.

      An adverse ruling from the AFL would have ramifications across the nation for transgender players.

      The league has known for several months she plans on becoming the first transgender in the AFL competition.

      The former Albury junior footballer has recorded a testosterone reading of 0.5 nanomoles/litre, well under the IOC threshold of 10 nanomoles/litre.

      If she is denied eligibility despite no safety concerns in her Canberra stint it raises the prospect of possible legal action and court injunction.

      The ramifications of a court injunction on next Wednesday’s draft and whether it might be delayed are unknown.

      Club sources indicate Mouncey is a certainty to be selected by an AFL club in the draft should be deemed eligible.

      Transgender footballer Hannah Mouncey could be denied the chance to play in the AFLW. Picture: Kym Smith
      Transgender footballer Hannah Mouncey could be denied the chance to play in the AFLW. Picture: Kym SmithSource: News Corp Australia
      She began transitioning in November 2015 and told the Herald Sun last month she had lost significant strength since then.

      “People talk about the performance advantage and I can understand where they come from looking at me,’’ she said.

      “But the easiest way to put it is that all the females I am playing against have more testosterone than I do.

      “I might be taller and bigger but I have always been strong. I also have to carry that weight around and I say to people, find a girl like me who is 100kg and a good runner.

      “So there are advantages and disadvantages. The girls in Canberra saw that but my running got better and better as the year went on.”

      Mouncey played the final three games in the ruck for Ainslie and kicked 15 goals, with Canberra officials ruling she was not a safety concern.

      She broke her own ribs in one incident and one player broke her leg in a tangle of legs with Mouncey.

      “I am female like 50 per cent of the population. I may have been born a bit different but there was a real sense of normality when I transitioned,” she said.”

      https://pressnewsreporter.com/2017/10/13/aflw-draft-transgender-footballer-hannah-mouncey-waits-on-eligibility-ruling/

      [bolding by me-GM]

      • GallusMag Says:

        It appears you have unlocked the truth behind the AFL ruling, @CeruleanBlue!

        In less than one season this guy has been involved in two bone-breaking incidents. Holy smoke! This guy is a menace.

        Mind you, Jon Ralph is the Herald Sun’s dedicated AFL reporter. Presumably, he reported this accurately.

        Great work, Cerulean!

  7. Lady Dee Says:

    Negative as this may sound, we’re going to have to endure decades of them taking over our sport, our clubs, and our bathrooms until there’s a backlash.


    • The backlash is already happening, particularly in the UK where there has been a rash of critical articles in the last few weeks in many papers, including the wonderful Janice Turner and others in the Times. I am truly amazed at how fast this is moving. Not so fast in Australia and US I think! Sadly.

      • hearthrising Says:

        The UK was ahead of the “progressive” curve on this, so I would expect this to run its course there ahead of US and Australia. Also, since we have such a crazy crazy right wing in the US, and everybody outside that milieu hates their brand of crazy, the lgbtqqiiaa strategy of characterizing resistance as “right wing bigotry” has worked well in shutting down conversation. Britain will come to its senses long before the US, I think.

  8. Lady Mondegreen Says:

    If it’s the job of “Sport” to be accepting and supporting, to model inclusivity, diversity, and love, why can’t I be on a big league team? I’m 58 and flabby, but I identify as an elite athlete. Accept me. Support me. Include me. Validate my identity.

  9. Bev Jo Says:

    At last. What will help this? Maybe if rich white men have daughters who are being hurt or deprived of places on women’s sports teams by men? I can’t imagine just caring for the women on their own would be enough. But whatever works to stop the travesty of men taking over everything that is “women.”

    On the local liberal progressive radio yesterday, I heard the usual story of a man who “came out” as a “woman” when he was 49, but knew he was a girl at 4 because he was briefly put in a dress when something happened to his trousers. Again, how on earth does feeling comfortable in a dress make a male feel like a girl? I hated dresses from my first memories, as did so many of us, and aren’t we female?

    Please can all this just end and give us our identity and community back?

  10. May Loo Says:

    After the Fallon Fox debacle, I had hoped there would be fewer transwomen athletes. Guess not. We must stand together as born women and say NO! to these transwomen in women’s sports.


  11. Is there such a thing as a failed transition? Because this guy doesn’t even look remotely female in any of these pictures.

    • kesher Says:

      By that measure, most transitions are failures.

      In my experience, the rare MTTs who pass had small frames and feminine features pre-transition. Macho, heavyset men seem to universally look like this no matter how much estrogen they take.

      • Rowan Says:

        I have not seen a single man who can “pass”, at best they come off as an effeminate boy in drag.

      • rheapdx1 Says:

        That along with the forced smiles, exaggerated gaits, rather sloppy imitations of speech patterns. Yep…from what I have even seen locally, those would not be termed successful. But those are encouraged, thanks to the warped stereotypes that many in the brigade carry over, from before transition.

        @kesher You also hit the nail on the head, in that no amount of hormones, will override the original programming. One can try to blunt that fact with electrolysis, plastic surgery [even bone shaving, although those funny little chemicals…..’A,T,G,C’ and their peptide bonds will work overtime to ‘repair’, in a limited form the damage done to same], but over time those will fail. And do so miserably. [Oh yes, surgery touch-ups, a la ‘Brazil’ do not help either]

        By the way, just stretching the first amendment here for a sec, there is nothing wrong with, let’s say…someone who is linebacker-like calling them self whatever they damn well please. But when they are deluded into thinking that they can become female, by the chemical and poor visage route otherwise, the person then becomes a joke, a pantomime as it were. Makes the case for those who want to have a better transition, to maintain distance…..a long distance.

      • kesher Says:

        I disagree that none of them pass. I’ve seen quite a few I perceived as masculine-looking women or, more often, ugly women. Due to this, I found myself feeling cautious/uncomfortable around women who are unusually tall or who have unusually strong jawlines, and it was at that point I vowed to stop worrying about it unless I encountered an obvious dude in a dress or unless a “mannish” “woman” was behaving inappropriately enough that it’s clear “she” is a man. I’m far more afraid of clocking an actual woman than hurting some dude’s genderfeels.

        Something that concerns me about women who claim no MTT passes is the likelihood that y’all are being hostile or unwelcoming to real women who don’t fit the beauty myth ideal of short stature, tiny frame, weak nose/chin/jaw. I’m sure many of these women are having bad experiences thanks to male invasion of women’s spaces, and I am determined not to add to that.

  12. GallusMag Says:

    To give you an idea how dangerous this sport is (no protective gear is worn):

    • Kathleen Lowrey Says:

      A woman could easily be killed by this huge guy. Sounds like the AFL thought so too.

    • Sarah Says:

      I’m Australian and female.

      The AFL is a serious full contact sport. Its nothing like soccer. Its as demanding and full contact as rugby league. No padding like the Gridiron players get, in America.

      These players are sprinting, seriously, at full tilt towards one another and smashing into each other. And Ruckers – the position that this so-called ‘lost soul’ plays – get the biggest beatings of the lot.

      As a female, I stand at 5,7″ and around 75kg currently. (I think that’s about 160 pounds?) and I would be absolutely terrified if I had this guy coming at me. Breaking bones is the least of it. We’re talking internal injuries, concussions, broken bones – and big bones at that. Serious injuries.

      As the article quite correctly points out – he wasn’t good enough for the male league, so he transitioned and hit up the female league. Frankly, I’m astonished that the AFL chose to be honest and realistic rather than jump on the diversity bandwagon, but the truth is, if he’d been allowed to play, those tens of thousands of spectators at each game would have seen him just annihilate his opponents unfairly – and the AFL would have been called out in a shitstorm of negativity for allowing this to begin with.

      The whole thing is just disgraceful. I saw an interview on TV with him and his best friend. The reporter was falling over themselves to be ‘diverse’ etc etc, the best friend was threatening to bash anyone who didn’t treat this idiot like a woman – and this idiot was doing a terrible job playing at coy and bashful – and every-time he opened his mouth, the pure narcissism that spewed forth was just atypical of these trans male-to-female wannabes.

      Sorry for the long comment. Just had to get all of that out. Thanks for a great article

      • GallusMag Says:

        It is truly disgraceful and anyone who supports this male chauvinist pig in a wig should be deeply ashamed of themselves. Thank you for the excellent comment/analysis.

  13. teslalivia Says:

    Had much experience with righteous Aussie bloke-splaining? Read on:

    “It’s a massively condescending decision and one every player in the AFLW should take personally.”

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/afl/afl-news/saturday-serve-hannah-mouncey-decision-a-slap-in-the-face-for-every-aflw-player-20171019-gz4pgn.html

    Mate, this is about more than just testosterone levels. Lowered levels and oestrogen shots don’t reverse all the physical effects of male puberty and adult male hormone levels that make men a danger to women in contact sports.

    The AFLW is right to be taking this decision-making process slowly.

    For the forseeable future, and maybe for always, people who went through male puberty (or a partial version of it) can play sport against males. It’s more access to sport than many women have had over the years.

    • teslalivia Says:

      Missed a bit. It took a long time to get women’s sports to where they are today, and even now in Australia women’s sports have far less resources than do men’s.

      Transwomen who when through male puberty may eventually have their own leagues. They can be assured that even if this doesn’t happen instantaneously, they at least won’t have to wait as long as women have done. Until then, they can play against males.

      AFL ‘footy’ is widely played in Australia. (It is a vastly more popular and respected sport than handball, which may have some relevance in this situation). Mouncey can easily find the right level to play against males, if playing footy is really such a priority.

    • GallusMag Says:

      “It’s more access to sport than many women have had over the years.”

      AMEN.

      • teslalivia Says:

        Gallus, I live in a leafy Australian capital city, with many sporting club and public grass ovals. On any given weekend, you can drive around the suburbs of this city, and see that these ovals are full of men playing sport at non-elite level, usually footy or cricket (the latter can occupy hours of time for a single match). You might see some women on the sidelines. Men have plenty already.

        We all know where this is going if the Hannah Mounceys of the world get their way. Severe injuries to women athletes. Domination of women’s sports by post male-pubertal transwomen. Those ovals will always appear to be full of males, only some of them will feel like women and maybe have long hair. What an advancement for women. Yay.

  14. Margaret Says:

    Callum mouncey is an immature prat who’s life goal is to be the first to represent Australia in both men’s and women’s sport at the Olympics. Women have been campaigning to play AFL and NRL since the fifties and finally got to do so last year. I dare to think how many other vultures like him are waiting in the wings to destroy womens’ participation in their own sports. I think that biological men and intersex with high testosterone levels should have their own comp and not be allowed to take places away from women. If the IOC definition of men playing as women has been reversed, so should the whole idea that men can ever be legally women.

  15. Franklin Says:

    good article. This is not actually a complicated issue despite the thousands of words of obfuscation devoted to it. Males in women’s sports will destroy women’s sports. Since the entire trans movement is about the denial of the physical reality of the body (“I am female like 50 per cent of the population. I may have been born a bit different but there was a real sense of normality when I transitioned,” she said.”) this is a fight that the trans community will not give up on.

    And there may be backlash in other countries, but not the US, where trans issues are becoming a political litmus test like gay rights were.

  16. Y'oma Says:

    They object to any consideration of testosterone levels when they conversation is sport but when the conversation is about MTT accessing female spaces, even intimidate ones, then suddenly it’s ALL about how lowered testosterone levels means they aren’t any more of a threat than

  17. Y'oma Says:

    PS – it’s ruck not rucker. I was unsurprised that it took less than one season of the women’s AFL for this issue to come up. Women had virtually no time to celebrate it before we split into the women’s advocates and the MTT advocates. Sadly most of my feminist friends were in the second camp.

  18. Allie Says:

    Here is the 60 Minutes episode. Not a single woman was interviewed or asked to give her opinion.


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