HIV Epidemic Among Transmen Ignored by Transgender Health Authorities

December 9, 2017

 

In 2014, I asked San Francisco Health Commissioner (2012-present) Cecilia C. Chung for data on HIV transmission rates among transmen who identify as gay men. Cecilia Chung is regarded by many as the national authority on HIV/AIDS in the transgender community. Chung responded to my inquiry by passive-aggressively sending me a link to a list of all the demographic studies hosted by the San Francisco Department of Public Health website under ‘HIV /AIDS Programs and Research’.

By reviewing these studies I discovered that since 1996 the San Francisco Department of Public Health had been reclassifying all Transmen (Females who identify as male) diagnosed with HIV as Transwomen (Males who identify as female) for statistical purposes. When I pointed this out to Chung he refused to respond. Only after the exchange was re-tweeted by famous actor and comedian Roseanne Barr did Chung admit this to be so:

“You are correct. We have recently changed the method to capture the wide spectrum of gender identity and sex assigned at birth,” Chung finally replied.

2014

However, an updated review of department materials indicates that this change was never implemented. Chung’s department continued to reclassify transmen as transwomen in their HIV statistics. Their most recent (2016) HIV Epidemiology Annual Report states [Page 97, Note on Transgender Status]:

In September 1996, SFDPH began noting transgender status when this information is contained in the medical record. Transgender individuals are listed as either male-to-female or female-to-male. The majority of transgender HIV cases are male-to-female (trans female). Due to the small number of trans male cases and potential small population size, their data are included with trans female cases to protect confidentiality.

[bolding by me. –GM]

https://www.sfdph.org/dph/files/reports/RptsHIVAIDS/Annual-Report-2016-20170831.pdf

2016

Note how this reclassification of transmale HIV data was cited as being for their own good, nonsensically arguing that total erasure of AFAB transgender HIV data ‘protected their confidentiality’. Female HIV transmission rates among women who do not identify as transgender was not reclassified as male, nor was any heightened risk of potential confidentiality breech cited for non-transgender females. Only HIV data pertaining to transmen (women who identify as male) was deemed a risk to patient confidentiality. Only HIV data pertaining to transmen was deliberately erased.

More than one in ten transgender people living with HIV are transmen (identified as female at birth) reports a study released today in the American Journal of Public Health.

 

Characteristics of HIV-Positive Transgender Men Receiving Medical Care: United States, 2009–2014

Ansley Lemons MPH, Linda Beer PhD, Teresa Finlayson PhD, MPH, Donna Hubbard McCree PhD, MPH, RPh, Daniel Lentine MPH, and R. Luke Shouse MD, MPH, for the Medical Monitoring Project

http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2017.304153

The study looked at data starting in 2009 and ending in 2014, the same year I asked Cecilia Chung to stop reclassifying transmen as transwomen in official statistics.

AIDS Map reports:

“HIV-positive transgender men in the United States have significant unmet social and healthcare needs, according to a study published in Research and Practice. Approximately half were living in poverty and only 60% had sustained viral suppression.

“Many transgender men receiving HIV medical care in the United States face socioeconomic challenges and suboptimal health outcomes,” write the authors. “Although these transgender men had access to HIV medical care, many experienced poor health outcomes and unmet needs.”

Transgender people experience poorer health outcomes compared to cisgendered individuals (people whose current gender identity is the same as the one with which they were born).

Little is known about characteristics and outcomes of HIV-positive transgender men (designated female at birth). A team of investigators therefore analysed the records of patients who received HIV care in the United States between 2009 and 2014. Their aim was to characterise the sociodemographic and clinical characteristics of these patients.

Overall, transgender men constituted 0.16% of all adults but 11% of transgender adults receiving HIV care in the United States. The majority (59%) were aged between 18 to 49 years and 40% identified as gay or bisexual. Although 42% had completed high school, almost half (47%) had an income below the national poverty level. A third were uninsured or relied on a Ryan White programme for their health care. Over two-thirds (69%) had an unmet support need and a quarter were currently living with depression.

Most (53%) were sexually active.

The majority (57%) had been living with HIV for ten or more years; a quarter had a history of an AIDS diagnosis. The vast majority (93%) had ever taken antiretrovirals; 88% were on HIV therapy and 83% were fully adherent to their treatment. Last viral load measurement was undetectable in 69% and 57% had a current CD4 cell count above 500 cells/mm3. Two-thirds of patients had a viral load test every six months but only 40% had received sexual health or HIV prevention counselling from a healthcare professional.

More than 1 in 10 transgender persons receiving HIV care were transgender men. HIV-positive transgender men receiving medical care in the United States constitute a small group with socioeconomic challenges, unmet needs for supportive services, and poor healthcomes,” conclude the authors. “To decrease disparities and achieve health equity among HIV-positive men, HIV care models could incorporate transgender-sensitive health care and mental health services and health insurance inclusive of sex reassignment procedures and physical sex-related care.”

[bolding by me. -GM]

 

 

58 Responses to “HIV Epidemic Among Transmen Ignored by Transgender Health Authorities”

  1. choddiebuchanan Says:

    A few years ago, I read people with HIV lived 14 years less than average. I can’t find that information anymore on the web. Plus, I can’t find information on HAND – HIV associated neurological disorder. I’ve read it occurs lots in HIV infected people.

    • DoubleXMarksTheSpot Says:

      I don’t think we can predict the lifespan of people with HIV, since new treatments continue to be developed and the long-term risks and benefits of these treatments are still not fully quantified. And there are complicating factors like the effect of compliance (how well people take their meds as prescribed).

      I’m seeing a lot fewer people with HIV related complications compared with 20 years ago.

  2. Margie Says:

    – How can reclassifying “transmen” as “transwomen” for statistical purposes protect anyone’s confidentiality? The SF Dept. of Public Health doesn’t disclose anyone’s name or identity. It isn’t describing these people in detail. It only reports numbers. So even if the population of “transmen” is small, how could reporting a number possibly say anything about any particular individual? Unless the number of infected is approaching 100% of the “transmen” population, I can’t see how one relates to the other. And I can’t think of any other instance in which public health statistics are deliberately mis-classified like this. It’s scandalous.

    – Speaking of “transmen,” here’s an insane piece written by a “transman” for Slate.com:

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2017/12/07/why_some_trans_men_don_t_like_makeup.html

    Apparently some “transmen” like to wear makeup. That causes other “transmen” to “freak out” and attack and bully the makeup-wearing “transmen.” It’s not surprising. Since these folks decouple “man” and “woman” from biology and define man/woman in terms of stereotypical behaviors, “transmen” cannot be allowed to engage in behavior traditionally associated with women. If “transmen” don’t act like stereotypical men, then they have no other claim to manhood.

    • Carter Abbie Says:

      I feel so badly for these poor, misguided girls/women. As always happens this trans bullsit is having a much greater impact on women, and, of course is being ignored. While rich men thump on about the ‘violence’ of pronouns these women are mutilating themselves and risking a chronic illness or death in their quest to be something they cannot be; gay men.


    • Margie, sounds like this one (also at Slate) where they are complaining about being goth transmen and getting misgendered:

      http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2017/06/23/goth_culture_needs_to_embrace_the_gender_identities_of_all_its_members.html

      Note the title: “goth culture needs to embrace the gender identities of all its members”
      Translation: when I wear makeup and girly dyed-hot-pink hairstyles you *still* must read my mind and *magically know* I am a man or you are not “embracing” everybody, you transphobic hater.

      It all sounds stark-raving mad: Read my mind or else!

  3. GILAW Says:

    I’m assuming that transmen have higher rates of HIV infection than women in general. Why is this? Are transmit more likely to engage in unprotected sex?

    • weirdward Says:

      A lot of transmen, even those who were previously lesbians, start to engage in sex with multiple men (oft-times gay/bi men, or else ‘transwomen’ who still have their male anatomy) and get involved in risky sexual practices, like anal and vaginal sex without using condoms or other forms of protection (this leads to a lot of pregnancies as well). The reasons why this happens haven’t been explored much by anyone, my guess is it’s a combination of needing to prove masculinity (having sex all the time, being irresponsible and tough), plus also being in a toxic cultural environment that enables a lot of pressuring behaviours and that victimises vulnerable people a lot (which tends to be young transmen – who knew? – could it be because they’re, I dunno, still women?)

      Then add to this the fact that many countries have poor sex-ed to begin with, and that the trans sex-ed resources out there are so full of double-speak it’s impossible to tell what they’re actually saying, and that’s going to create a situation where transmen won’t be aware of the risks of what they’re doing.

      Plus, as I explained to a friend of mine who asked the same question, this is a population who have already parted from reality in a pretty significant way, believing they can physically change sex by taking hormones, having surgeries etc., so it’s hardly going to be surprising this same population will be in denial about having the risk factors they do when engaging in the behaviours that they do.

      • Widdershins Says:

        Excellent answer. 🙂

      • Rachel Says:

        Is prostitution a factor here? Punters wanting to screw gay men aren’t known for their safe-sex vigilance. I don’t know of any figures for FTT people in prostitution, but it wouldn’t surprise me if there was a link.

      • GallusMag Says:

        That’s a good question. Didn’t the Philadelphia Trans Health Conference hold seminars this year instructing FTMs on how to get into prostitution?

      • GILAW Says:

        I don’t know the exact content of the Sex Positive Trans Sex session at hat conference, but here is the bio of one of the two presenters: Tobi Hill-Meyer is just about your average multiracial, pansexual, transracially inseminated queerspawn, genderqueer, trans, dyke, colonized mestiza, pornographer, activist, writer. Tobi’s writings can be found at bilerico.com and on Sexistmagazine, and a variety of books. She won Emerging Filmaker 2010 from the Feminist Porn Awards for her work directing the first porn film by and for trans women, Doing it OUrselves: The Trans Women Porn Project.

      • GallusMag Says:

        Wayback Machine:

      • weirdward Says:

        not surprised to see his name. For new readers, Tobi Hill-Meyer was one of those who came up with the ‘cotton ceiling’ rhetoric, and I feel like he was also one of those who started popularising the idea of the ‘female dick’, i.e., a dick attached to a transwoman is somehow completely different from a dick attached to a man, and lesbians saying no to transdick is transphobic. He’d probably be totes down with FtMs doing ‘lesbian’ porn/prostitution that involves FtMs being penetrated by transwomen’s dicks. You never have to look far in this movement to find the sick rapist dicks behind all the glittery empowerment nonsense that the rank-and-file have swallowed.

  4. hearthrising Says:

    So trans woman Cecilia Chung thinks that trans men literally don’t count. Nowhere is the contempt for the real biological female population more visible than in the erasure of trans men. They supposedly according to the trans narrative are completely male and have been since birth, but are they elected to political offices? Are they feted in the glossy magazines? Are their health problems taken seriously? It’s trans women who win political elections/appointments. Trans women who are visible in the news. Trans women who are visible in STEM. Trans women whose health problems count. You’d almost think trans women were men and trans men were women.

    It sounds like Chung is counting HIV women who ID as women though. That was an uphill battle that feminists fought, and black activists fought, to get even a bit of inadequate attention for HIV women. By IDing as men, trans men are not going to get attention from feminist groups, and the trans and queer communities certainly don’t care about trans men, who they seem to treat like women.

    Sorry for making this a rant, but I just have to add: since when is being in a small minority a grounds for dismissal by trans activists? Aren’t they a small minority themselves, whose pain is sooooooo important for the rest of the population to focus on? What a bunch of sexist hypocrites.

    • B-Dala Says:

      I can only think of two trans-men with any level of prominence

      1) Thomas Beattie (aka The Pregnant Man) who appeared on Oprah and claimed to be the first pregnant man. I completely lost respect for Oprah when she feigned shock at a person with a vagina and uterus somehow getting pregnant despite “identifying” as a man and growing a beard.

      2) Chaz Bono. And I’m sure that the ONLY reason she got any attention from the mainstream media is because she was the child of two VERY famous celebrity parents.
      Interesting fact: My aunt is a butch lesbian who used to live in Palm Springs. She said she used to see Chaz at the lesbian bars all the time and that Chaz never expressed any desire to be a dude. Also, she thinks that its bullshit that younger butch lesbians are being brain-washed into thinking they were “born in the wrong body”

  5. Oak and Ash Says:

    This ticks all the boxes for the way women are generally treated by the health care system–statistically folded in with men, specific needs erased, minimization of negative effects on them. And the three items you put in bold tend to be true of women as a class, as well, so it’s shameful if not surprising that male-identified women are treated just as badly.

    But counting transmen’s incidence of HIV as transwomen’s is beyond appalling, since it’s an outright suppression of the facts that ignores their needs and benefits men who fetishize womanhood, especially given that transactivists use those sorts of statistics to support their belief that transwomen are more oppressed than everybody else and that transmen have “privilege” over them.

    It’s also telling that the trans crowd wants the crimes transwomen commit to be attributed to women as a class, while transwomen appropriate the ways we’re mistreated, whether or not they actually suffer from them. They’re “women” when they want to whine about misogyny and benefit from women’s spaces, sports, programs, etc., but “trans” when they want to claim the problems of transmen (or trans POC working as prostitutes in third world countries) as their own, while retaining as much of their male privilege as they can.

    • sirenpress Says:

      If Chung and other health officials are statistically erasing people with vaginas from data, it’s at least incumbent on them to be upfront about their practice. This level of demographic corruption–and dishonesty about it–is so shocking.

  6. EndTheHarms Says:

    There’s a conversation about this post over on Gender Critical Reddit,

  7. Bev Jo Says:

    Thank you so much for this, Gallus Mag. What a typical male hypocritical female-hating mess. Predictable, yet still surprising, especially with SF’s history of dealing with AIDS. I guess the health authorities really don’t care if all these women die.

    Of course women being fucked by gay or bisexual men will have far higher rates of STDs, including HIV. It’s like they don’t think they will get pregnant either since they are “no longer women.” But certain things are incredibly risky to do, which is why HIV became epidemic among gay men.

  8. Amanda Says:

    I’m a Swedish woman who is friends with a number of gay men (yes, the “real” XY type men, with a natural penis and testes) and none and I do mean NONE of them say they could ever imagine being attracted to a “transman”, even if the individual in question has taken hormones and gone through a “phalloplasty” (which everyone knows is not going to result in a functioning penis, but rather a poor surgical approximation of one).

    So whoever has infected/infects these “gay transmen” with HIV, it’s not likely to be a “bio-fag”.

    • ephemeroptera Says:

      I’ve heard of transmen who basically give oral sex to & take it anally from anyone who wants to use them. It seemed to overlap with the weird fetish/fatalist corner of gay male culture, that valorizes promiscuous rough & unprotected sex. Lots of leather and attitude and untrimmed body hair.

      Given transmission rates for oral vs. anal, my hunch is that some part of these poz transmen are unprotected bottoms?

      • Amanda Says:

        I’m a nurse by profession and I’ve done some (semi-)professional research into the transmission of the HIV virus (mainly so that we, as nurses, would know the proper procedures when dealing with a patient who has it, or any other blood-borne virus.) Anyway, I learned that contracting HIV from giving fellatio to an HIV-infected individual is basically one in a million, even if the recipient “swallows” rather than spits out the semen. Only about half a dozen cases worldwide have been confirmed to be from receptive oral sex. Stomach acid does a pretty good job of obliterating the viral load before it can get a chance to infect. IF transmen have sex with gay men, I’d imagine this is the most common way they can participate in a sexual act without “outing” themselves as female-bodied.

        Now, contracting HIV via anal and vaginal sex is of course a major risk (the sources I learned from said 1/100 and 1/1000 respectively for anal and vaginal, if the penetrative party is pos), but, like I said, I don’t know a single gay man who would want to engage in this type of sex with a woman. Is it possible that these HIV positive transmen are also prostituting themselves? Are they financially or in some other way dependent on “transwomen” who demand sex in return for food, drugs, housing? This is all very strange, and alarming.

      • ephemeroptera Says:

        My impression is that the risky behavior is a hardcore use of Grindr/Scruff/bathhouses, partially in line with the study quoted below by @SkylarkPhillips:

        “For some trans MSM, having sex with a non-trans gay male partner is a powerful validation of their gay/queer male identity, especially in the early years of transition, and may be more important than insisting on condom use.”

        My hunch is that some of this lack of condom use isn’t a “pressured in the moment by a partner” thing, but more a “fuck all that” / “living on the edge” thing, at least for some of these transmen.

        (I’ve always suspected that the ‘front hole’ terminology comes from this fatalistic/fetish segment, btw; ‘front hole’ has that in-your-face pervert ring like “raw” [= fucking without a condom] and “breed” and “seed” [= purposefully go condomless and ejaculate in a partner])

        Both these transmen & the men who are likely fucking them participate in a very, very small and skin-crawlingly gross part of the dark edges of gay male culture, and most people probably wouldn’t encounter it, is my guess.

        We’re honestly talking about situatuons where in a bathhouse there’s a dark room and a sling in the middle of it with a hairy ass popping out of it.

        Hypothetically, front junk isn’t visible, person has a beard- how many people would know the unprotected bottom’s a transman?

        To be fair to the SanFran doc’s study, this probably isn’t that many people in any given urban area, though it certainly should be studied.

      • GallusMag Says:

      • Amanda Says:

        I’ve heard about a very small (and very vile) subset of gay men who engage in “bug chasing”, i.e. catching as many STDs as they possibly can, as well as “gift giving”, which means having unprotected sex with unsuspecting partners in an attempt to infect them. Maybe they’re less stingy about the physical sex of their partner than regular gay men, who knows?

      • Dixiechick Says:

        I was trying to explain this to a bunch of social workers and good grief it went crazy rather quickly. We’re all familiar with trans, of course, but it is only recently that we’re beginning to see females. They had assumed that trans men were simply lesbians trying to avoid stigma and misogyny. Unfortunate, misguided, but understandable. When I told them that many of them believed themselves to be gay men and had casual, unprotected anal sex with randoms they were flabbergasted. One, who specializes in self harm wondered aloud if maybe it, and for that matter trans men in general we’re just another form of self harm. I hadn’t considered the possibility but I can certainly see it along the same course continuum as cutting.

      • ephemeroptera Says:

        I’ve also been wondering like @DixieChick, could this behavior by transmen also be an expression of masochism?

        Degrading anonymous/promuscuous sex & the extreme STD risks both seem very masochistic to me.

        In reading about autogynephilia, I’d come across the statement that paraphilias (fetishes) are typically male, apart from masochism in women.

        A few years ago I met a sex researcher and I asked him about the reasoning behind that statement. He said that the typical co-occurrence of paraphilias (e.g. autoerotic asphyxiation while cross-dressing) doesn’t occur with women who exhibit masochism, so there’s probably something different sexuality-wise that causes masochism in women.

        In any case, the huge issue overshadowing all of this is how much behavior is innate vs. cultural. Likely, these transmen run in fetish circles where learned behavior overlays and clouds any sort of innate female sexual inclination towards masochism.

      • Amanda Says:

        ephemeroptera, did you read the excellent article written by Drs. Bailey and Blanchard that was posted on 4thwavenow, “Gender Dysphoria Is Not One Thing”? They speculate that there is a rare (or previously thought of as rare) form of gender dysphoria in natal females who are heterosexual called “autohomoerotic gender dysphoria”. Basically, these girls or women are attracted to men and like to pictures themselves as gay men, sexually involved with other gay men. Bailey and Blanchard state it is rare, but maybe the numbers have increased dramatically in the past few years, just like with Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria and AGP in males.

      • ephemeroptera Says:

        Thanks @Amanda for the ref to Bailey and Blanchard on different types of gender dysphoria (linking here in case others are interested):

        https://4thwavenow.com/2017/12/07/gender-dysphoria-is-not-one-thing/

        To think out loud, could these transmen engaging in unsafe anal sex maybe be 3 different groups in term of cause?:

        1) Autohomoerotic gender dysphoria (like the Lou Sullivan example provided by Gallus in a comment above?).

        2) Female masochists who seek degrading sex (my theory I gave above).

        3) Rapid onset gender dysphoria, channeled through weird campus sexual politics (a new theory I had).

        I raise that last possibility because campus peer pressure is strong and I could imagine a woman with a fragile sense of self & high malleability getting channeled into and caught up in unsafe sex practices due to weird queer ideology.

        For example, one friend who’s an art school professor told me about groups of students for whom intellectual sophistication was that you shouldn’t have major sexual preferences. One gay guy told him that he was ashamed that he didn’t enjoy giving women oral sex, and he kept doing it hoping he eventually would (!).

      • weirdward Says:

        No. 3 that ephemeroptera mentions is definitely a factor, I have heard and read detransitioned women talk about the brainwashing and pressure to conform to behaviours/ideologies approved by the group that goes on in today’s young queer and trans spaces. And yeah, in a lot of these spaces, bizarrely, having firm sexual boundaries of any kind is often seen as prudish and bigoted. These spaces now even exist in a lot of high schools too, so many young lgb youth are not even really getting the chance to develop healthy boundaries, a strong sense of self, learn from good adult lgb role models (as increasingly these spaces seem to be run by trans people who themselves do not have good boundaries, even getting into ‘relationships’ with minors and the like). They’re getting socialised trans as one detransitioned women put it, which I think is a good way of understanding it.

        I think No. 2 is probably in play for some as well, but I think for the majority it would be learned masochism, as in internalised self-hatred from patriarchy and believing they don’t exist for any other reason than to be further degraded. Plenty of women who don’t see themselves as trans suffer from a similar psychology.

      • ephemeroptera Says:

        @weirdward have you heard of detransitioner cases where young women got funneled into and majorly caught up in extreme kink and/or unsafe sex?

        I’ve read some accounts by detransitioners, but I can’t remember any accounts with that trajectory.

      • weirdward Says:

        @ephemeroptera I think a blogger called crashchaoscats (detransitioned lesbian) gives a lot of very good insight into the queer and trans communities and how they function and their various issues. I think it’s also important to realise that, particularly these days, when we’re talking about ‘queer’ spaces we’re really not talking about LGB spaces anymore. Queer, particularly as it functions in youth culture today, is not about sex (as in biological sex) and sexual orientation, it is all about gender and gender identity. Contemporary queer culture is also heavily influenced by porn and BDSM, which makes it almost inevitable that younger, newer or just more naive members who gravitate into these spaces will end up in abusive situations, or at least be pressured even if they ultimately don’t give in. And predators are going to be drawn to these spaces too, and find them very attractive because of all the boundary breaking, gas lighting and mind-fucking.

        Gallus has at least one article on here somewhere about a transwoman who raped a transman and tried to impregnate her, and anecdotally, I’ve heard quite a few cases of transwomen (ie men) raping transmen (ie women). These are also very authoritarian spaces where certain voices (the supposedly ‘most oppressed’) are given more weight than those who have ‘privilege’, but because it’s all about gender, these kids will believe really bizarre things like butch lesbians have more societal power than transwomen because butch lesbians are ‘masculine’ and ‘masculinity’ is privileged over ‘femininity’ in society. (Just one example). No understanding of how structural oppression actually functions, because everything is about individual feels and internal identities.

        This was part of a comment left on my blog replying to a post I wrote about the treatment of lesbians in the queer community; just reposting it here because I think it gives very good insights into the kinds of destructive and coercive practices that are completely normalised in queer spaces:

        “There was also one time, back when I was still living as a trans man, when I attended a party with a queer male friend. There were a few lesbians present, most of the people attending weren’t straight. At one point a game of spin the bottle broke out and some of the dykes decided not to play because they didn’t want to kiss dudes. The next day, my friend went off on these women for not being “sexually radical enough”, “not queer enough” or some shit. We ended up having a huge argument because WTF how is sexual liberation about forcing people to do things they don’t want to do? And why do women have to be willing to kiss dudes to be “radical”? How would refusing to make them less queer (in the old school, pre-pomo sense of the word)? In my old queer scene, everyone had to be up for fucking any kind of person, queer translated to pansexual more or less. But underneath that you could see most people had more specific preferences. Under the queer drag was the old LGB sexualities. We certainly didn’t think of ourselves as politically correct but there were all these rules about how to be radical, how you were supposed to dress and fuck and call yourself, etc. Now it’s really trendy for folks to call themselves genderqueer and use gender-neutral pronouns like they.There’s still pressure for people to be pansexual but I notice there are also a lot of same-sex couples where one or both people are genderqueer or trans. It’s like it’s not enough to be gay or lesbian, you have to willing to fuck anyone and/or you have to take on another gender identity. I think some dykes try to get out of the obligation of fucking males by calling themselves genderqueer or trans.”

        So it could be that at least some of these transmen who are contracting HIV are doing so in an environment where everyone is ‘queer’ (and that this is misread as ‘gay’ by the general public, or even service providers) but in reality, it could be that you know, a lesbian or a bi woman ends up having sex with a guy because she was told she wasn’t sufficiently ‘radical’ enough, and the guy is basically a straight dude who calls himself ‘queer’ or ‘non-binary’ because he likes to put on stockings and high heels once a month (Guys like that are pretty common in the queer community as it is now).

        It doesn’t happen as often, but gay men are also sometimes pressured to have sex with female-bodied people or to not say no to dates with transmen etc., as you alluded to.

        So I guess what I’d say in answer to your question is that it is almost inevitable that there will be some transmen (as well as other individuals) who will be caught up in kink and unsafe sex, as we’re talking about a culture where abusive practices of many different kinds are completely normalised, and there is no ability to properly understand how structural hierarchies of power work, so victims don’t have the language or concepts to give voice to what is happening to them, or to understand that they are being victimised.

        In terms of transmen who get drawn into the more ‘traditional’ gay risk-taking communities you refer to like bathhouse cultures etc. I mean, I don’t know. I suspect it would depend how much overlap that was between those spaces and the type of queer spaces I’m discussing above.

        Sorry for the long answer. It’s all very anecdotal, I know, but that’s kind of all we have at the moment, given that research is being blocked in this area (see Bath Spa University blocking proposed research on destransitioners, for example), and that, as the subject of this post shows, accurate data isn’t even being collected :/

      • ephemeroptera Says:

        “In terms of transmen who get drawn into the more ‘traditional’ gay risk-taking communities you refer to like bathhouse cultures etc. I mean, I don’t know. I suspect it would depend how much overlap that was between those spaces and the type of queer spaces I’m discussing above.”

        @weirdward thanks for that helpful way of putting it. I’ll ask around and see if I can dig up any anecdotal info… I’ll report back here if I ever hear anything.

      • weirdward Says:

        Okay, just one more thing I came across that I think is relevant and illuminating and that seems to back up a lot of the previous speculations I mentioned – there is a gender critical academic book coming out early next year being published in the UK:

        http://www.cambridgescholars.com/transgender-children-and-young-people

        See here for a run down of chapter titles and excerpts:

        https://www.transgendertrend.com/born-in-your-own-body-new-book-transgender-children/

        Ch. 9 is called Unheard Voices of Detransitioners and this is the excerpt from the chapter:

        “We talked about all the ways we had hurt ourselves. Transition was only one way out of many. There were drugs, starving yourself, abusive relationships disguised as kinky ones. There were groups of “friends” who we believed it was normal to be scared of, normal to find that one day you were the one called out, and on that day it would be normal for you to lose all of your important relationships at once. There were radical queer scenes where credibility depended on sexual availability – attending the right sex parties, proving you would date or at least have sex with every gender in every kind of body. We talked about the times we had given ourselves away trying to measure up, to prove ourselves righteous standard bearers for a radical queer politic that more than our action, more than our intelligence, more than our solidarity, demanded sexual access.”

        So this is some further quite compelling evidence of how widespread it is for these ‘radical queer spaces’ to have a culture of behaviour that is sexually and emotionally abusive and coercive.

      • kesher Says:

        The excerpt from that book answers a lot of questions I’ve had about who the hell even has sex with these people. Zinnia Jones is in a threesome with an actual woman and an M2T, and I’ve had a strong suspicion that the woman involved is mostly there as a performance or may even be there under duress.

        This also explains why the neckbeards pretending to be women are SO ANGRY about not being able to get laid. Being average straight male basement dwellers, they don’t have access to FTTs and the regular female handmaidens who are expected to put out for any MTT who expresses interest.

        This is some sort of bizarro world version of what free love in the ’60s ultimately turned into. Although personally I find the male larpers many times more revolting than hippie dudes.

      • ephemeroptera Says:

        I haven’t been able to talk to anyone yet, but I did some googling of key terms and came up with this 2011 article “Transmen: The HIV risk of gay identity”:

        https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51925518_Transmen_The_HIV_risk_of_gay_identity

        Interviews were a snowball sample of 17 from San Francisco, and some fliers were posted at a sex club.

        It’s worth a read, but major points resonating with what people have said include:

        – tendency for receptive sex (anal and vaginal), with increased bleeding due to vaginal dryness.

        – a “second adolescence” hypersexuality that includes promiscuous sex.

        – 2 interviewees who deliberately sought HIV infection to be more included in the gay male community.

        – some overlap with sex work.

        – strategy of covering genitals at a sex club in order to pass (e.g. when giving oral sex).

        New points include:

        – prevalence of substance abuse (leading to poor decision making?).

        – less frequent use of protection because gay men see them as “cleaner” and pressure them to go bare.

        – less frequent use of protection because of compensation for body shame (e.g. they attribute a partner’s performance trouble to themselves and then don’t use protection because it might allow their partners to perform [?!]).

        – online partners often coming from straight and bi-identified men.

        – several people who were previously lesbian-identified now having gay male partners (?!).

        At least as far as this sample goes, it seems like a lot of low self-esteem and susceptibility to peer pressure, combined with an unhealthy culture.


    • Young women here in the South who feel the kind of pressure that @weirdward and @ephemeroptera describe, often end up going to the churches for refuge.

      These new mega-churches *know* what is going on (since the refugees already told em), and they are ready for the onslaught–many of the old Protestant denominations even have gay and lesbian groups now.

      The churches can now actually appear LESS judgmental than the genderqueer-police.

      So again, the Right *directly benefits* from the Left’s ineptitude in not challenging this predatory bullshit.

      • Medi Says:

        Weren’t you once a big supporter of the male to trans gang? A bisexual woman supporting those guys? What finally changed your mind?


      • I have always hung out with gay men; I initially believed these trans women were the same (beloved, to me) femme gay men I grew up playing Barbies with and going to the punk shows and discos with. They also encouraged this belief.

        When I discovered what autogynephilia is and how much of this is a fetish, I started getting it. These are middle-aged hetero men, not gay men. If we put the word out, more women would get it too.

        I started getting it also because the cultural referents were different. I was used to gay men who shared lots of my sensibility and none of these “lesbian” (hetero) trans women did at all–that was the first “tell” that something was very different.

      • kesher Says:

        It’s interesting how the hetero MTTs can’t even manage to fake gender non-conformity or any of the camaraderie that allows many (not all, just many) women to relate to each other or the camaraderie that’s often shared between women and gay men.

        Straight men are so self-segregated from women, they have little concept of how to relate to us or to convincingly pretend to be us. This goes triple for the het male larpers who, despite their protestations of “female essence” and “always knowing” they were “truly women”, have never tried to relate to women on any level and vehemently hate women much more than regular men do.


      • From reading this blog and others… now I am terrified that the sweet lovable femme boys from my childhood (whom I considered living proof all males did not have to be awful brutes like my father) are being weeded out and sent to gender clinics to be changed into girls.

        And where will us proto-feminist little girls get their “proof” now?: “Ohhh, I guess he was really a girl, and all boys really are dicks.”

        (sobs)

  9. B-Dala Says:

    This is proof that the MtTs’ alleged love for women only extends to “women” who have dicks. Actual females (regardless of how they identify) can go fuck themselves. They literally don’t even count

  10. elizabeth Says:

    Does transgender men mean the same as transciswomen?


  11. Gallus, excellent work on exposing the shady and unethical practices of the SF Department of Public Health and transwoman Cecilia Chung. They were told about this years ago, and they continued to count transmen as transwomen. Any moron knows that transmen aren’t transwomen. Transmen are biological females who identify as male, but they get HIV the same way as females, sometimes through regular old penis in vagina sex. Transwomen are biological males, and most still have their penis. It’s unconscionable to not count transmen as a separate category, and it sickens me. Why did they decide to lump all transmen in with transwomen? I can think of three reasons. They really don’t think transmen are worth counting because they know they are really female. Or, being a transwoman, Cecilia Chung only thinks in terms of how HIV impacts transwomen. Or, maybe they don’t want to admit that FTMs are becoming HIV positive through sex with non-binary and queer identified males, or through sex with transwomen (biological males – and most still have their male genitalia). We are talking about the lives of people, specifically female persons. Erasing FTMs as if they don’t exist, and putting them all under the category of transwomen is ridiculous, and it sure does sound sexist.

    “In September 1996, SFDPH began noting transgender status when this information is contained in the medical record. Transgender individuals are listed as either male-to-female or female-to-male. The majority of transgender HIV cases are male-to-female (trans female). Due to the small number of trans male cases and potential small population size, their data are included with trans female cases to protect confidentiality.”

    We know how transmen are contracting HIV. They contract HIV the same way that other females become infected. That is, through sex with males, or IV drug use.

    I’m not a doctor, but there are several things to consider as it relates to FTMs. First, testosterone increases the libido. Transmen often report increased sex drive. Second, we know that FTMs have sex with males. Third, testosterone can thin the vagina walls and decrease lubrication. Vaginal atrophy due to lower estrogen levels manifests itself in the walls of the vaginal canal becoming thinner, dryer, and/or inflamed. An irritated vagina with little lubrication makes transmission much easier. It’s not rocket science.

    “Transmen may face complicated power and gender dynamics in their sexual relationships with non-trans men. For some trans MSM, having sex with a non-trans gay male partner is a powerful validation of their gay/queer male identity, especially in the early years of transition, and may be more important than insisting on condom use. Some transmen who use testosterone have reported increased sex drive and increased interest in sex with non-trans men after beginning hormone use, which may contribute to their willingness to take sexual risks. Transmen on testosterone and/or who have had a hysterectomy may have frontal (vaginal) dryness, which increases their risk for frontal (vaginal) trauma during penetration, thus increasing their risk for STIs, including HIV.”

    https://prevention.ucsf.edu/library/transgender-men/

    I looked at their data and tables.

    Table 1.5 Characteristics of Persons Living with HIV as of 12/2016 in San Francisco

    Male subtotal: 14, 718
    Female subtotal: 910
    Trans Female: 382

    They have a little footnote at the bottom that says, “Trans female include all transgender cases. Trans male data are not released separately due to potential small population size”. What do they consider “potential small population size”? Out of 382 people, there is no way to know how many are transmen. Is 10 a “potential small population size”, or is 50 a “potential small population size”.

    I looked at Table 5.1 Deaths Among Persons Diagnosed with HIV 2011 – 2016 in San Francisco

    Male: 20,087
    Female: 869
    Trans Female: 281

    Again, at the bottom it says, “Trans female include all transgender cases. Trans male data are not released separately due to potential small population size”. How many transmen have to die in San Francisco before it’s more than a “potential small population size”? Would that number be 20 dead, or 50 dead? Thanks to the wonderful work by transwoman Chung, we will never know how many transmen have died in San Francisco.

    Chung needs to go. He needs to be replaced.


  12. Globally, about half the number of HIV cases is in females. In the US, it’s about a quarter of cases.

    Sorry for copying and pasting, but here is some general information.

    Women account for more than half the number of people living with HIV worldwide. Young women (10-24 years old) are twice as likely to acquire HIV as young men the same age.
    The risk of HIV acquisition during vaginal sex has been found to be higher for women than for men in most (but not all) biological-based studies.

    This high susceptibility can be explained by a number of factors including the ability of HIV to pass through the cells of the vaginal lining, the larger surface area of the vagina. Adolescent girls may be at further increased risk due to the existence of greater proportions of genital mucosa, which are present in an immature cervix. Adolescent girls are also susceptible to relatively high levels of genital inflammation which may also increase the risk of HIV acquisition.

    Due to the lower uptake of ART among men, in most countries it is likely that fewer men than women are virally suppressed, which means men are more likely to pass the virus on to others. In settings where the main mode of transmission is heterosexual sex, this further increases women’s risk of acquiring HIV.

    https://www.avert.org/professionals/hiv-social-issues/key-affected-populations/women

    Biological factors: the female genital tract has a greater exposed surface area than the male genital tract; therefore, women may be prone to greater risk of infection with every exposure

    http://www.uncares.org/content/hiv-and-gender

    Women are at a greater physiological risk of contracting HIV than men. This is in part because women have a greater mucosal surface area exposed to pathogens and infectious fluid for longer periods during sexual intercourse and are likely to face increased tissue injury. Young women are at particularly high risk due to cervical ectopy which facilitates greater exposure of target cells to trauma and pathogens in the vagina.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3874682/

    Women accounted for 24% (4,459) of the 18,303 AIDS diagnoses in 2015

    https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/gender/women/index.html


  13. This can’t be blamed entirely on Chung. It’s also the system and the people at the SF Department of Public Health. And, it’s the transgender community’s inability to deal with biological reality. Chung said in 2014, “You are correct. We have recently changed the method to capture the wide spectrum of gender identity and sex assigned at birth.” This didn’t happen. Maybe they don’t know how to handle FTMs, or they just don’t care. Chung is supposed to be an expert on HIV, so why didn’t Chung address this issue. Still, it looks as if no one cares, and we know that government bureaucrats are usually clueless.

    I want to apologize if my earlier post sounded as if Chung alone is to blame for the idiotic way FTMs are counted in the data, or rather not counted at all. Chung is HIV positive, and I don’t want to disrespect someone with HIV. All people with HIV deserve respect. They deserve health care, and they all deserve to be counted.

    This article calls Chung a woman, but Chung is male. I sincerely feel sorry for anyone who is HIV positive, but I don’t like to play politically correct games.

    https://www.hivplusmag.com/people/2015/02/10/no-4-20-most-amazing-hiv-positive-women-cecilia-chung

    The “HIV Epidemiology Report 2016” is from the San Francisco Department of Public Health. We have an epidemiology report that doesn’t know what to do with FTMs (biological females who identify as “men”), so it just tosses them in with transwomen. Then, they give some idiotic reason,

    “In September 1996, SFDPH began noting transgender status when this information is contained in the medical record. Transgender individuals are listed as either male-to-female or female-to-male. The majority of transgender HIV cases are male-to-female (trans female). Due to the small number of trans male cases and potential small population size, their data are included with trans female cases to protect confidentiality. Please note that there are several limitations of our transgender data. We believe that our report likely underestimated the number of transgender persons affected by HIV because data collected for HIV reporting are derived from the medical record. Consequently, information that may be discussed with the health care provider but not recorded in the medical record is generally not available for the purposes of HIV case reporting.”

    Whose confidentiality are they referring to, and what is with the confidentiality? Is it the confidentiality of the transman, or the confidentiality of the person who gave HIV to the transman? For all we know, it could be the latter. And, they don’t say what constitutes a “potential small population size”.

    This upsets me because it definitely looks as if sexism is playing a role. Yes, just old fashioned sexism rears its ugly head. It’s just FTMs, and people know that FTMs are really female. Moreover, this is just another example of how “gender identity” shreds common sense and biology.

    Viruses don’t have a damn “gender identity”, and viruses don’t care about ze, zir special pronouns.

    “Gender identity” is really going to screw with health care statistics, and all statistics for that matter. What do people do with FTMs? They are still biological females, and biology still matters.

    (1.) For example, how do people treat “Transmission Category”? That is, how a person was infected. Look at Table 1.3. The virus can’t just magically appear. It enters the body somehow. Knowing who gets the virus and how it’s transmitted is important. The MSM (men having sex with men) is the largest category. FTMs (biological females) might identify as men, but they aren’t infected by the virus in the same way as males, or transmit the virus the same way as males. FTMs have still have a vagina, and they can, and do have regular old penis in vagina sex with males. Very few FTMs ever get their vagina surgically closed, and most never get any type of “bottom surgery”. Heterosexual is another transmission category. If it’s regular old penis and vagina sex, it should fall under heterosexual transmission, but “gender identity” is special, so no one knows how this is supposed to work.

    So, FTMs get infected with HIV, but they don’t know how to list the mode of transmission. They are afraid to say heterosexual transmission even if it was penis in vagina sex, but if FTMs are getting HIV, people really need to know how it is happening. Saying that the “transmission category” was male to male is scientifically inaccurate if it’s penis in vagina sex. Don’t say that because it’s about the “gender identity” – transphobic bigot! How will be count FTMs. Who cares; we can just toss them under the transwoman category.

    (2.) Could some FTMs be counted as female? This could happen? States that are more conservative who aren’t completely onboard with everything “gender identity” might just call these cases females with HIV. Ideally, there would be a national standard.

    (3.) What about FTMs who detransition? How is this handled?

    (4.) Are FTMs transmitting HIV to other FTMs? I guess this is possible, but logic tells us most transmen are getting HIV from sex with males. That is, exactly like other females. If we exclude IV drug use, females with HIV contract the virus from sex with males. I think there has only been one or two cases of actual female to female transmission.

    Without consistent clearly understood definitions, how good is any epidemiological study? Ideally, people would want a national standard. It looks as if there is no standard when dealing with FTMs. Different cities within states and different states could all have different ways of categorizing FTMs. It’s truly idiotic, but “gender identity” and pronouns are more important accurate data on HIV.

    It’s time to dispense with “gender identity” nonsense, and just count males as males and females as females. To hell with the “gender identity”. Or, do people prefer to get creative with the lives of people with HIV, deleting some people by calling transmen (females) transwomen (males).

    There are differences between males and females, and this includes people with HIV.

    Biological factors

    The risk of HIV acquisition during vaginal sex has been found to be higher for women than for men in most (but not all) biological-based studies. (*Transmen on testosterone and/or who have had a hysterectomy may have frontal (vaginal) dryness, which increases their risk for frontal (vaginal) trauma during penetration, thus increasing their risk for STIs, including HIV https://prevention.ucsf.edu/library/transgender-men/)

    This high susceptibility can be explained by a number of factors including the ability of HIV to pass through the cells of the vaginal lining, the larger surface area of the vagina. Adolescent girls may be at further increased risk due to the existence of greater proportions of genital mucosa, which are present in an immature cervix. Adolescent girls are also susceptible to relatively high levels of genital inflammation which may also increase the risk of HIV acquisition.

    Due to the lower uptake of ART among men, in most countries it is likely that fewer men than women are virally suppressed, which means men are more likely to pass the virus on to others. In settings where the main mode of transmission is heterosexual sex, this further increases women’s risk of acquiring HIV

    https://www.avert.org/professionals/hiv-social-issues/key-affected-populations/women

    HIV and Cervical Cancer

    Cervical cancer is cancer that starts in the cervix, the lower, narrow part of the uterus (womb). Cervical cancer is an AIDS-defining cancer. That means that a diagnosis of cervical cancer marks the point at which HIV infection has progressed to AIDS. Cervical cancer is almost always caused by human papillomavirus (HPV) infection. The types of HPV that cause cervical cancer are more common in women who are HIV-positive. Women with HIV need to get regular Pap tests to help find changing cervical cells before they turn into cancer. If you are a woman living with HIV, you should get a Pap test two times during the first year after you’re diagnosed. Then, if the results are normal, get a Pap test once a year. If results are not normal, talk to your doctor about how often you should get a Pap test and the next steps to take.

    HIV and Vaginal Infections

    Vaginal yeast infections are infections of the vagina that cause itching and burning of the vulva. Vaginal yeast infections are common and easily treated in most women, but can happen more often and may be harder to treat in women living with HIV. Recurring vaginal yeast infections (at least four times a year) happen more often in women with advanced HIV or AIDS..
    Bacterial vaginosis (BV) is a vaginal infection caused by changes in the amount or balance of bacteria normally found in the vagina. BV is more common in women living with HIV and may be harder to treat..

    HIV medicines also may cause different side effects in women than men. For example:

    • Nevirapine. Studies linked the use of nevirapine (also called NVP, Viramune) to a higher risk of rashes and problems with the liver for women with higher CD4 counts.
    • Ritonavir. Ritonavir (also called Norvir, RTV) may cause more nausea and vomiting in women but less diarrhea in women than in men. Ritonavir is sometimes prescribed to help other HIV medicines work better.

    Other studies show that women are more likely to get fat buildup throughout the body and have problems with the pancreas than men

    https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/staying-in-hiv-care/other-related-health-issues/womens-health-issues

    FTMs should have equal access to PReP – Pre-Exposure Prophylaxis (Truvada), and make sure their male sex partners uses condoms. Truvada is not a vaccine. Truvada has to be taken every day, and it’s not 100% effective. It’s over 90% effective provided people take it every day religiously. Still use condoms. After almost three decades, there isn’t a vaccine for HIV, partly because the virus mutates and there are different strains.

    HIV is a single standed RNA virus. DNA is much more stable than RNA as it has a stronger backbone and it is typically double stranded. But HIV mutates at a rate far higher than just being a RNA virus. That’s because it uses an enzyme called reverse transcriptase (RT) to build it’s RNA genome from RNA bases
    .
    https://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/29795/how-does-hiv-mutate-into-other-strains-while-keeping-their-virulent-phenotype

    https://www.avert.org/professionals/hiv-science/types-strains

    As more young females “transition”, expect more transmen with HIV. Young lesbians are told that they are “transphobic” if they don’t call themselves queer, and have sex with transwomen. It’s sad.

    Again, it’s not just Chung’s fault that FTMs aren’t counted in the SF report. It’s the whole idiotic “gender identity” at all costs nonsense. Call FTMs female, and it would all makes sense.

    • GallusMag Says:

      “It’s time to dispense with “gender identity” nonsense, and just count males as males and females as females.”

      Except, as you noted, women who take testosterone undergo vaginal atrophy, which may place FTMs who engage in PIV at higher risk of sexual transmission than any other group. Also, the effect of cross-sex hormones on HIV medications including PReP has never been studied and is unknown.


      • True… all good points. Maybe FTMs needs their own category for statistical purposes. The main thing is to list FTMs not completely exclude them as if they don’t exist, or toss them all under transwomen. What about transmission category? Is it males who have sex with males or heterosexual? See bottom of table 1.3. How does this work? If people are going to have a special category for transmen, then they need to think about this. State clearly how HIV was transmitted.

        @ “Except, as you noted, women who take testosterone undergo vaginal atrophy, which may place FTMs who engage in PIV at higher risk of sexual transmission than any other group.”

        Postmenopausal women and women who have had a hysterectomy can have vaginal atrophy too, and any woman can have an irritated vagina for a lot of reasons. Thinness and irritation is the problem because small abrasions make transmission of the virus easier. And, sexually transmitted infections increase the risk of contracting or transmitting HIV infection. Lubrication and a healthy vagina are the answer. Because of dryness, some FTMs have been known to put a dab of estrogen cream down there.

        Transmen who have sex with gay men would be higher risk anyway. I don’t think heterosexual males are into transmen all that much. I could be wrong, but from what I gather, FTMs usually partner with queer non-binary type males and the occasional gay man. Transwomen have sex with FTMs. Remember Cherno Binko. Because they are still female, there is a power dynamic difference. FTMs might feel powerless to insist on a condom, and because they are female, they are often smaller than males. If it’s anal sex, it’s the receptive partner who is the one taking the risks. FTMs are probably always the “bottom”. It’s scary, and as more young females “transition”, it’s only going to get worse.

        “Also, the effect of cross-sex hormones on HIV medications including PReP has never been studied and is unknown.”

        True, but because they are still female, HIV medications including PReP could work differently in females. Transmen are still female.

        Gallus, thanks for making this post because it’s very important. I’m very concerned about young women today. So many of them are “transitioning” that it’s frightening. They have no idea what they are doing, and no one seems to care about their bodies or their health. They aren’t even worth mentioning. Someone needs to tell these precious young women the truth.

  14. GallusMag Says:

    To the person who sent me a private message updating a story in Vancouver that I have previously covered: THANK YOU for keeping me updated. Much appreciated. x

  15. Medi Says:

    “I raise that last possibility because campus peer pressure is strong and I could imagine a woman with a fragile sense of self & high malleability getting channeled into and caught up in unsafe sex practices due to weird queer ideology. this from above,

    yeah a real issue. Am meeting women trying to recover from being sexually used by this horrifying rape factory. But we provide safe space, they are getting better.

  16. May Says:

    And trans activists on twitter claim that transmen have male-privilege just like “cis” men…

    More female erasure coming from the trans lobby.

  17. thisismeandonlyme Says:

    If the subset of transmen is too small to count in statistics, then they are an outlier and get thrown out, not added to another set that has nothing in common other than an adjective.

    Who is actually being protected by masking the number? Is it really just 1, and everyone knows who she is? Well then, that horse has left the barn. The explanation makes no sense.

  18. ephemeroptera Says:

    This post and thread has been hugely enlightening – thanks so much.

    Just sent a quick donation, out of appreciation for your work and so you have a bit more cash during the holidays!

  19. Medi Says:

    Wow Daisy I was very much a part of radical lesbian feminism, we thought gay men, the drag queen etc. just equal to white men in black face. We coudn’t stand heterosexual women’s worlds, we just saw heterosexual fag hags or het women so anti-lesbian, so pro male, we were so sick of any woman who ever had sex with men, naturally they were fag hags and lesbian haters, still are with the trans train out there.

    • GallusMag Says:

      @Medi- pretty much most people here could be asked why they once supported the trans movement. See the #peaktrans phenomenon. So why query one particular individual. This is seeming like a personal attack. So please stop. I hate when people bring their Facebook gripes here. It is so irritating. Keep to the topic of the post/thread. Also not interested in the flaming of lesbian/hetero divide. Thanks.


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